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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    About the only thing good that happened this game was the for the first time ever, an all-star big man came into MSG and didn't have a career night.

    That was about the only thing good that happened.

    No! the best thing that happen in this game for the Knicks is when Jefferies
    stepped up to D.Howard for elbowing rookie Jorts. Something u havnt seen
    Tyson, Stat, or Melo do for any of their teammates.

    Toney Douglas gets knocked down by high screens and low screens 2 and 3
    times a game, none of our BIGS ever call out or warn TD of our oponents screens.
    Whats worst than that....none of our BIGS set screens for any of our PG.
    I watched several times when Jorts was two steps away from Melo or Shump to where if Jorts wouldve turned he couldve set a nice wide screen for either Melo or Shump to dribble around. but Jorts just stand at the side of the foul line to watch Melo and Shump shoot or drive the lane.
    Our players are picking up to many damn bad habits from DUM coach Damnphony...

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    Lmao, this team is a ****ing headache lol. Why the **** am I laughing?

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    Angry Dont get ANGRY FIRE Dantoni

    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    One of my homeboys went undrafted from Ohio State, does that mean he'd be a decent baller in the NBA, because he's great value?

    Fields is just terrible. Ray Felton and the uptempo system we ran last season made him look good and heavily inflated his stats. There are maybe 5-6 teams out there where he could actually crack the rotation for 8-10 mpg. On those other teams he would be a DNP guy every night, let alone start at the SG spot!

    Spree....its bad u dont know what college Landry Fields came from.
    This is why your response has no credibility. Plus Felton didnt run an
    uptempo offense or system, he was decent in running transition off of a
    steals from Fields, Douglas, or Chandler. Felton struggle the first 10 games of
    the season (3-8 record) receiving 40+ minutes per game trying to effect the
    "pick n roll" with Stat. 85% of Feltons assists came from an unstoppable
    Stat. The majority of our wins came from the 3-Ball shooting that is why
    Shawn Williams was added into the rotation. Our Defense lastseason came
    from team-players: TD, Fields, Felton, Chandler, Gallo, and injury prone Turiaf.

    Lastseason Landry Fields played with real teammates, this season Fields is
    playing with high EGO's running the show.

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    Well, considering Fields did more than everyone on the team apart from Melo tonight then I guess our entire team is terrible. It was never a secret that Fields was not going to be an offensive stud, it's also no secret that everyone on our team totally fails at that end of the floor other than Melo right now and when we actually have a legit PG who can get people the ball where they need it, things will improve.

    I'm not sure many people on here truly know the game of basketball and how players roles work. Fields is an off the ball player, same for Tyson Chandler and STAT. What happens when you have off the ball players constantly running around the perimeter getting the ball away from the basket? They have to make plays which they are not fully comfortable in doing. It simply is not part of their game.

    This team is so deeply flawed right now it's not even funny. Even if Baron returns and plays well that's not going to matter for **** unless the players take it upon themselves to run plays and work for each other. Currently its a free for all **** slinging fest and we'd be lucky to beat any competent TEAM in the first round.
    I don't know what game you watched but Fields has been the worse player on the court since the season started. He sits in the paint looking for rebounds and can NEVER get back to the perimeter to defend. He can't get through screens. He has no confidence with the ball in his hands. He can't shoot noted by the 2 airballs he had today. He is a indecisive ball stopper who just takes up space on the floor and every SG we've played so far has ABUSED him.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    I'll start with positives since they are few.

    -Toney Douglas had his first solid game were he actually looked to penetrate and drive to the hoop. Douglas is struggling because he looks to shoot instead of drive but he has speed and he hasn't been using it. Douglas can onlybe effective if he drives to the hoop. He CANNOT be a SG, he has to play like a PG.
    FIRE coach Dantoni!
    -Jared Jeffries was very good. He played great help defense and rebounded well. I can't stand Jeffries and thinks he plays way too much but Amare has been terrible this year and Jeffries is playing better defense and Jeffries doesn't kill opportunities by bricking a million shots, he just doesn't shoot.
    FIRE coach Dantoni!
    -Chandler has shown that he can stop the top center in the NBA, Dwight Howard. Dwight had only 8 points. The blame goes to the perimeter defenders, mainly guys like FIelds and Walker who got torched by JJ Redick and no one helping out to cover Ryan Anderson. Knicks are the worst team defending penetration to the hoop. They collapse their defense and leave players outside wide open, this is obvious and the Magic took advantage of our inconsistent defense.
    FIRE coach Dantoni!
    Negatives
    FIRE coach Dantoni!
    Where to begin.
    FIRE coach Dantoni!
    How about the fact that as I previously said, we are horrible at guarding hte perimeter. This shows me that as a team trying to be better on defense, we try so hard to guard the paint that we collapse the paint all game and leave shooters open from the outside.
    FIRE coach Dantoni!
    We continue to make bad switches. How many times is a guard covering a big man down low after a switch? How many times is Amare covering a PG on the perimeter? This destroys us and teams always take advantage of it and the fact that it happens every game and the team doesn;t stop doing it tells me the defense has barely improved. Without Tyson we are worse than last year on defense.
    FIRE coach Dantoni!
    Landry Fields is terrible. I can't stand watching him anymore. I honestly believe that anyone else on this team would make a bigger impact than Fields. WHenever he gets the pass he does three things...he either passes the ball back quickly, he dribbles for a few seconds then passes to someone behind him, or he does a pump fake and passes it right away....none of these moves results in helping the offense. He is stagnant and continues to look lost and can't pass or dribble for his life. Fields is not a starter on any team in the NBA. His stock plummeted and continues to plummet.
    FIRE coach Dantoni!
    Amare has his head in the clouds. I don't know if it was the trade talks with him going to NO for CHris Paul or what but Amare is lost. He is not even close to all star material and has hurt us more than anyone else except Fields. We desperately need a PG because Amare can't create his own shot, he is a dud on offense. He stands on the outside of the paint when he should be down low. He doesn't attack the basket for offensive rebounds like he did against the Pistons which made him very effective. He continues to balhandle and turn the ball over. He makes stupid plays on defense and continues to get into early foul trouble. All of these results in him scoring six points from the gam before this one and ten points in this game.
    FIRE coach Dantoni!
    I would not mind trading Amare right now. He doesn't fit in this offense anymore. Melo is better on both ends of the floor, he is our franchise player, not Amare. Sorry Amare, you started it in NY but you can't finish it.
    FIRE coach Dantoni!
    Mike D has to go. We are 6-7 when we should not be. The team is sturggling offensively when he is known as an offensive "genius" please get this clown out of NY. ANybody can coach this team and have them play better on both ends of the floor.
    FIRE coach Dantoni!
    We refuse to do fundamentals such as get rebounds and play basic defense. We don't attack the rim and draw fouls consistently. We don't use our players strengths, we are lost. Please someone get fired.
    FIRE coach Dantoni!

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    I liked our effort today. We didn't look great, but there was a lot more effort and better play from Douglas, maybe Stoudemire too in the fourth.

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    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    I don't know what game you watched but Fields has been the worse player on the court since the season started. He sits in the paint looking for rebounds and can NEVER get back to the perimeter to defend. He can't get through screens. He has no confidence with the ball in his hands. He can't shoot noted by the 2 airballs he had today. He is a indecisive ball stopper who just takes up space on the floor and every SG we've played so far has ABUSED him.
    Don't know what game you watched but considering he shot 2 for 3 he did not shoot 2 airballs. No he doesn't have confidence with the ball in his hands, he should not have the ball in his hands for any length of time he works great as shown last year catching, cutting, playing off screens, going backdoor, hustling, running in for rebounds. Now we are completely static, no distribution, no true ball handler, ISO every trip down the floor.

    You may as well be complaining that Sundiata Gaines is not an intimidator in the paint.

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    Don't know what game you watched but considering he shot 2 for 3 he did not shoot 2 airballs. No he doesn't have confidence with the ball in his hands, he should not have the ball in his hands for any length of time he works great as shown last year catching, cutting, playing off screens, going backdoor, hustling, running in for rebounds. Now we are completely static, no distribution, no true ball handler, ISO every trip down the floor.

    You may as well be complaining that Sundiata Gaines is not an intimidator in the paint.
    Sorry I got his other Airball confused with his Airball against OKC. He did have one Airball today. It's pretty bad when your starting SG only takes three shots and one's an airball. You can't defend his play, it's been horrific. The only thing he's good at (Rebounding) leaves the guard he's defending open on the perimeter. Fields is the reason we lost today.

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    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    Sorry I got his other Airball confused with his Airball against OKC. He did have one Airball today. It's pretty bad when your starting SG only takes three shots and one's an airball. You can't defend his play, it's been horrific. The only thing he's good at (Rebounding) leaves the guard he's defending open on the perimeter. Fields is the reason we lost today.

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    Laugh all you want. He gave up about 24 points in 3 pointers and open shots from failing to get back to the perimeter. Go back and watch. Well how did we lose than genius? I gotta hear this. It's hilarious seeing you man-crush on our worst starter.

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    When you watch this team in person.....I mean...I don't know anymore...

    Only caveat was the fine english chick sitting in front of me, kept finding reasons to turn around and chit chat...then Hedo banked in a 3, and Andersen wouldn't stop shooting & hitting. The day was done.

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    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    Laugh all you want. He gave up about 24 points in 3 pointers and open shots from failing to get back to the perimeter. Go back and watch. Well how did we lose than genius? I gotta hear this. It's hilarious seeing you man-crush on our worst starter.
    No man crush here, just realistic expectations of a 39th pick whose performance statistically was 2nd best on our team tonight. Gave up about 24 points in blablabla? Yes always good to pull stats out of your arse isn't it.

    Of course, it's always Fields. Not our other players not rotating, not our defensive scheme as a whole, not that he did get out and contest several of those shots but simply got scored over by a good shot. Oh no, Fields is the devil!

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    Fields is just horrible, i cant stand to even watch him anymore

    Melo looked tired in the 4th, could it be because Stoudemire was in foul trouble and didnt play much through the 1st 3 quarters?

    Job well done by Jeffries, but why didnt Bibby play/shoot more? smh @ Antoni

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    Angry Dont get ANGRY....FIRE Dantoni

    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    I don't know what game you watched but Fields has been the worse player on the court since the season started. He sits in the paint looking for rebounds and can NEVER get back to the perimeter to defend. He can't get through screens. He has no confidence with the ball in his hands. He can't shoot noted by the 2 airballs he had today. He is a indecisive ball stopper who just takes up space on the floor and every SG we've played so far has ABUSED him.
    DISS-AGREE....disagree. no hard feelings, the Knicks got talent
    but they dont know how to use it.

    Smokes.....was 100% RIGHT.
    Once u know the type of players u have, u use your players in a "System" to their best talents.
    What part of....the Knicks dont have an offensive-system, or a defensive system....that u dont understand?

    Landry Fields is a "Team-Ball" player....on both sides of the court.
    Fields & Douglas have a high raw potential for the game, but the two players
    has not been develope into NBA form being under a clueless headcoach with
    no perception about defense, or halfcourt-offense, or how to use BIGMEN on
    either side of the court. Dantoni is 100 times worst than Isiah.

    What type of B.Ball the Knicks been playing is far from being "Team-Ball".
    u and commentators can label or call the Knicks type of performance
    "Isolation-plays" (only looking at the offense), but I call it bullshuut on both
    sides of the court.

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    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    Knicks already not covering the 3-ball. I've counted 5 magic open 3's so far. Eventually they're gonna fall and we're gonna fall behind.
    Anderson was NOT DEFENDED PERIOD. AS CHAS BARKLEY said the Knicks are not a good basketball team...good starts with defense which AMARE refuses to play...goes one on one...never in the flow. I think balkman is better than JEFFRIES by a mile..he sits Jeffries plays. It must be personal between Balkman and D'Antoni...who must go.

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