Tired of needing the perfect team in order for bum coach to win

This is truly ludicrous. This guy doesnt adjust to his roster and players like most coaches. We have all this size now and we shoot more jumpers than any team in the league. If not we're dam close. We have absolutely NO POST PLAYS whatsoever. I mean NONE.

STAT is getting older, now is the time to put his big ass down low and make the other teams pay. But noooooooooo, coach has him shooting from 15ft or more.

Instead of relying on jumpers that are not falling at an alarming rate send STAT, Jorts, Jordan and Chandler in the paint. Play inside out. But noooooooooooo we gotta make sure our quota on 3 pt attempts are met.

Point guards cant run the pick and roll? Can they dump it down into the paint and cut? Seems like an easier task to me. But nooooooooooooo we keep running the same thing that isnt working and getting us beat time after time. Its called INFREAKINGSANITY for those that dont know.

Raise your hand if you thought Jorts was the next Gallo? Hoisting uo 3's at an unconscious pace. Not me. I thought he'd be the next Rambis. Oakley. Silas. Mahorn. But nooooooooooooooooooooooo this idiot takes size and developes him into a 3 point specialist. You're freaking kidding me. You gotta be.

This clown cant hit the road soon enough....
 
Just heard Jordan got sent down. Now we're smaller. I gotta keep up with his games now. He'll probably dominate the D league and leave us all wondering how he wasnt good enough for 10-15 min a game for the Knicks...
 

Red

TYPE-A
This is truly ludicrous. This guy doesnt adjust to his roster and players like most coaches. We have all this size now and we shoot more jumpers than any team in the league. If not we're dam close. We have absolutely NO POST PLAYS whatsoever. I mean NONE.

STAT is getting older, now is the time to put his big ass down low and make the other teams pay. But noooooooooo, coach has him shooting from 15ft or more.

Instead of relying on jumpers that are not falling at an alarming rate send STAT, Jorts, Jordan and Chandler in the paint. Play inside out. But noooooooooooo we gotta make sure our quota on 3 pt attempts are met.

Point guards cant run the pick and roll? Can they dump it down into the paint and cut? Seems like an easier task to me. But nooooooooooooo we keep running the same thing that isnt working and getting us beat time after time. Its called INFREAKINGSANITY for those that dont know.

Raise your hand if you thought Jorts was the next Gallo? Hoisting uo 3's at an unconscious pace. Not me. I thought he'd be the next Rambis. Oakley. Silas. Mahorn. But nooooooooooooooooooooooo this idiot takes size and developes him into a 3 point specialist. You're freaking kidding me. You gotta be.

This clown cant hit the road soon enough....
:agreed:

its maddening isn't it?

here it is simple and plain...

If you make an excuse (roster, chemistry, unfamiliarity, turnover, schedule, Dolan, knees, ISO's, injuries, etc...), find some way to explain what this garbage is, propose a trade, or player, or support this guy in any way...

all I can say is thank you, I now know you have no real basketball knowledge. Easy.
 
:agreed:

its maddening isn't it?

here it is simple and plain...

If you make an excuse (roster, chemistry, unfamiliarity, turnover, schedule, Dolan, knees, ISO's, injuries, etc...), find some way to explain what this garbage is, propose a trade, or player, or support this guy in any way...

all I can say is thank you, I now know you have no real basketball knowledge. Easy.

I really cant take it any more. This team does not fit what he wants to do. He doesnt have the consistent shooters he's had in the past. This team should be utilizing its front court advantage on both ends of the court. Not shooting jumpers and putting themselves at a disadvantage. What good is size if you're not going to use it properly? In MDA's case he doesnt use it at all.

These guys look absolutely lost on the offensive end...
 

MeloforMayor

BALL DON'T LIE
Agreed. We desperately need new blood in the coaching department. And Maybe a good big man coach? It is frustrating to see Jorts jack up threes most of the time rather than posting up. It is nice that he's making em and all, but we have enough players who are jacking up 3s every game. Why isn't there anyone beside Chandler who focuses on rebounding?

I would love to see the Knicks sign Charles Oakley as an assistant coach. He does a good job of developing big men. Just look at what he did for DJ White and Byron Mullens in Charlotte. Last season both those guys can't even get on the court for more than 5 mins, but this season they have been solid contributors for the Cats. White has been a good rebounder and starting C for the Bobcats, while Mullens has shown improvement in his offensive game. I know their record stinks but you can't deny that these guys have improved on their individual game.

At the end of the day, if MDA can't take advantage of our frontcourt loaded team then why the hell is he our coach. He's just a bad fit for this roster. Plain and Simple. He wins with a good PG and multiple three point shooters who can run the floor, we have neither.
 

Red

TYPE-A

I really cant take it any more. This team does not fit what he wants to do. He doesnt have the consistent shooters he's had in the past. This team should be utilizing its front court advantage on both ends of the court. Not shooting jumpers and putting themselves at a disadvantage. What good is size if you're not going to use it properly? In MDA's case he doesnt use it at all.

These guys look absolutely lost on the offensive end...

well I say absolutely lost entirely. Yeah TC has helped with the defense, but since my last rant, I've rededicated my efforts to full-on analysis. I see poor, poor fundamentals and ineptitude, and that includes during wins.

I see it by watching them, and by watching, analyzing, and critiquing other teams. The shit I see is baffling and I can only conclude its the coach.

TD can't shoot. It's the coach. Why? Because first of all he shouldn't have been thinking shoot first after years in the league, he was a defensive PG (duh! he's 6 foot!) in college, and now all of a sudden, after many unreasonably chucked threes, I'm supposed to believe his confidence problem has nothing to do with the green light special coach that tried to make him into someone he's not... with the umpteen player, for the umpteenth time?

C'mon.

We can't rebound. But there are still photo's depicting FOUR players standing on the perimeter, eagerly awaiting a pass to chuck, and one going for a rebound after a three attempt for the umpteenth time. Hello? That's called coaching a flawed philosophy. Coach.

Jort shooting more threes than anything. OMG coaching. Or we could believe 'Antoni told him to move the ball, Jorts ignored him and decided to chuck away. Nope, that was what he was told by coach.

And no one sees anything wrong with this? I could see an "as long as we're winning" response, but we aren't doing that consistently.

Like I said, I could go on and on, but ANY retort in favor of 'Antoni must be met with a grain of "you just don't know basketball" salt.

There are no more excuses. Don't be in denial.
 

smokes

Huge Member
And no one sees anything wrong with this? I could see an "as long as we're winning" response, but we aren't doing that consistently.

Like I said, I could go on and on, but ANY retort in favor of 'Antoni must be met with a grain of "you just don't know basketball" salt.

There are no more excuses. Don't be in denial.

Honestly Red do you pay much attention to what people write on these forums? With your constant MDA bashing in every single thread you don't seem to realize there are only about 5 posters here who still support MDA :lol:
 

iSaYughh

Starter
Honestly Red do you pay much attention to what people write on these forums? With your constant MDA bashing in every single thread you don't seem to realize there are only about 2 posters here who still support MDA :lol:

+1 :teeth:

Will the other lone ranger make an appearance? :thumbsup:
 

nuckles2k2

Superstar
I can't....I CAN NOT watch this ****ING man "coach" this team into mediocrity. We have the same record as the Cavs for christ's sakes.

The Knicks scored on 4 of their last 14 possessions. FOUR. This is weeks after the christmas day game, where they allowed the Celtics to go in a 17-7 run in 5 mins to tie the game up, after having a 10 point lead to start the half. The very same team that played the Raptors and took THIRTY-FIVE 3 POINTERS, made 10 of them....lost. A short while later, against the Bobcats, didn't have a single field goal from 1 min and some change in the 3rd, to 1 min and some change in the forth. Essentially getting about 7 points in free throws, in a quarter's worth of time, and had ZERO field goals with Michael Andrew D'Antoni the offensive "genius" as your coach. His genius orchestrated the ball not going into the ****ing hoop for what equates to a full quarter of professional basketball.

The coach with the undying support of a niche group of members here, who held a practice for his team before the Thunder game--it was 47-70 @ halftime.

We. Have. The. Same. Record. As. The. Cleveland. Cavaliers.

The only teams we've beaten are the Celtics, Kings, Pistons, Bobcats, Wizards, and the 76ers on their 3rd game in 3 nights...who would have won that game if there were another 5 mins or so left, cause they came after us late and the Knicks looked like Angulo when he fought Kirkland last year.

If you seriously support this man as a coach, after you've seen what he's accomplished as a coach post having a HoF-PG on his roster, you have to ask yourself:

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Kiyaman

Legend
Dont hate the players....Fire coach Dantoni

I mention it over a million times, "Celebrity coach Damnphony couldnt get a
job coaching any NCAA team". The NBA has been using Damnphony to get
Euro-league fan support.

Dantoni & Frank Lawrance should stick to being the coffee-boy for the coaching-staff.

Lastseason our bigmen rotation were: Shawn, Gallo, W.Chandler, Stat, and
injury-prone Turiaf....which lead to Stat being tired, aghausted, and injured
for postseason and throughout the lockout.

This season our Bigmen rotation has been: Tyson, Stat, Melo, and Jorts....
It is becoming obvious of what coach Dantoni is doing his lastseason with the
Knicks....injuries, injuries, and more injuries.

There is no "Pick n Roll" because all of our bigmen rotation refuse to pick for
their teammates....which is why all our PG look terrible trying to create with
all his teammates wide on the peremeter with their defenders guarding the
paint area forcing our PG to pass the ball outside on the peremeter.

I couldnt get mad at rookie Shump for shooting 20 shots in one game b/c his
college coaches taught him well "when u could dribble the ball inside to 10 to
12 feet from the basket without a screen or pick take that shot rather than
pass the ball to a teammate 20 or 25 feet away from the basket".

Our rookie Jorts is not being taught to screen or pick for our PG or any of his
teammates, nor is he being taught to box-out of the paint for offense or
defensive rebounds which he did so well in the NCAA playoffs last year (the reason
why NBA Stern's scouts selected Jorts in the 2nd round for NO Hornets....
Okafor, West, Jorts, Landry....nice C/PF rotation for CP3).
 

iSaYughh

Starter
Dunno there's you, Rono? JPZ? Trillion somewhat?

Idk about JPZ, I've seen him just say "MDA is the best coach in the NBA" -- but idk if he's actually being sincere, or just trying to be a contrarian.

Trillion...I think wants him to be replaced -- though doesn't think he is a bad coach.

Rono, definitely, however.
 

Red

TYPE-A
Honestly Red do you pay much attention to what people write on these forums? With your constant MDA bashing in every single thread you don't seem to realize there are only about 5 posters here who still support MDA :lol:

Yes I do read. I'm not addressing anyone inparticular on here, my response is towards anyone, posters, guests, people at my job, anyone who can't identify our issues as coach related.
 

ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
Yes.. i still support MDA.

He's not perfect, but he's a good coach.

I'm a firm believer in the notion that every coach, even the very best, need the highest caliber players if you're going to have success.

Whether it's Pat Riley, Phil Jackson or whoever.

Look at all those years Riles had Ewing and no second star and didn't get it done

Jackson without Jordan that one year= no title.

Jackson w Kobe aging, decides to retire.

I think the same things are important that most people do. I enjoy good defensive play and strategy. I was one of the first people on the forum to call for a defensive assistant to be added to the coaching staff.

W Woodson so far this year were 8th in defensive rating. Seeing that I'm like what do people have to complain about. We've held teams to around 80 points in a few games this yr.

Right now its the offense, the bad backcourt and some gellin issues from Amare now being entrenched at the 4 and the rest of the guys not really have a feel for each other and playing together that are our main issues.
I think Melo takes too many shots also. He needs to be a distributor, get guys involved in the first 3 quarters and take over if needed in the fourth.

But back to my original point. MDA needs a PG to run his offense, no secret there. Every coach needs components.

Thruout NBA history it's always been the same.

When he had Nash and Felton MDA could run his stuff and he had success. Without someone who can really run a team you see what we've been subjected to... Melo trying to play point forward. This is not ideal.

When Baron Davis steps on the floor. We'll start to see this thing look the way it's supposed to.

Until then we will be incomplete, lacking in the most important type componentry for this system.

Naturally MDA and the success of the team is affected by this and the other issues I've highlighted.

Idk what some of you want the man to do. With a complete team this coach will have good success.
 

Red

TYPE-A
Yes.. i still support MDA.

He's not perfect, but he's a good coach.

I'm a firm believer in the notion that every coach, even the very best, need the highest caliber players if you're going to have success.

That's factually incorrect for many reasons. One, coaches have been successful without "the highest caliber players"; two we have high caliber players; and finally, how does this explain poor output by design?

W Woodson so far this year were 8th in defensive rating. Seeing that I'm like what do people have to complain about. We've held teams to around 80 points in a few games this yr.

This is also incorrect. 8th is a misnomer presented by Tommy D.
The true stats are:

24th in rebounds per game
17th in points allowed, and that number is 95.2 (due to TC, a player you didn't want in favor of a PG... which is an "'Antoni-ism")


Right now its the offense, the bad backcourt and some gellin issues from Amare now being entrenched at the 4 and the rest of the guys not really have a feel for each other and playing together that are our main issues.
I think Melo takes too many shots also. He needs to be a distributor, get guys involved in the first 3 quarters and take over if needed in the fourth.


But back to my original point. MDA needs a PG to run his offense, no secret there. Every coach needs components.

Thruout NBA history it's always been the same.

*Whistle blows
You are wrong again and again are viewing things through the wrong lens.

That's a two shot foul.
I'll refer to my previous post.

Bold=-1 rep point for an 'Antoni-ism, and mentioning Melo (or anyone other than the coach) as some sort of anecdote for our lack of everything.

'Antoni-ism An-tonee-is-m: to use an offensive excuse even though the team has better, more accomplished offensive players thus making this point both irrelevant and relevant in regards to demonstrating how defense and a new coach is what's needed, but you fail to realize this.

Back to you.

When he had Nash and Felton MDA could run his stuff and he had success. Without someone who can really run a team you see what we've been subjected to... Melo trying to play point forward. This is not ideal.

When Baron Davis steps on the floor. We'll start to see this thing look the way it's supposed to.

Until then we will be incomplete, lacking in the most important type componentry for this system.

Naturally MDA and the success of the team is affected by this and the other issues I've highlighted.

Idk what some of you want the man to do. With a complete team this coach will have good success.

See my post above.

No we won't see things as they're supposed to be, because 'Antoni doesn't know what's supposed to be.

Again I'll refer you to a quote of mine.

If you make an excuse (roster, chemistry, unfamiliarity, turnover, schedule, Dolan, knees, ISO's, injuries, etc...), find some way to explain what this garbage is, propose a trade, or player, or support this guy in any way...

all I can say is thank you, I now know you have no real basketball knowledge. Easy.

...and especially after you admitted this "unorthodox" approach ISN'T what you know as sound basketball. Do you know basketball or not?

Reading your posts looks more like you are a trapped kidnapped fan mesmerized by 'Antoni, unable to fight the effects of stockholm syndrome.

Just read and listen to yourself... were you saying those same things, holding those same views BEFORE 'Antoni got here? Or is it that you have been conditioned to believe this?

Ron... Stop It!
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fender0577

Rotation player
Yes.. i still support MDA.

He's not perfect, but he's a good coach.

I'm a firm believer in the notion that every coach, even the very best, need the highest caliber players if you're going to have success.

Whether it's Pat Riley, Phil Jackson or whoever.

Look at all those years Riles had Ewing and no second star and didn't get it done

Jackson without Jordan that one year= no title.

Jackson w Kobe aging, decides to retire.

I think the same things are important that most people do. I enjoy good defensive play and strategy. I was one of the first people on the forum to call for a defensive assistant to be added to the coaching staff.

W Woodson so far this year were 8th in defensive rating. Seeing that I'm like what do people have to complain about. We've held teams to around 80 points in a few games this yr.

Right now its the offense, the bad backcourt and some gellin issues from Amare now being entrenched at the 4 and the rest of the guys not really have a feel for each other and playing together that are our main issues.
I think Melo takes too many shots also. He needs to be a distributor, get guys involved in the first 3 quarters and take over if needed in the fourth.

But back to my original point. MDA needs a PG to run his offense, no secret there. Every coach needs components.

Thruout NBA history it's always been the same.

When he had Nash and Felton MDA could run his stuff and he had success. Without someone who can really run a team you see what we've been subjected to... Melo trying to play point forward. This is not ideal.

When Baron Davis steps on the floor. We'll start to see this thing look the way it's supposed to.

Until then we will be incomplete, lacking in the most important type componentry for this system.

Naturally MDA and the success of the team is affected by this and the other issues I've highlighted.

Idk what some of you want the man to do. With a complete team this coach will have good success.
Dude have you been watching the Knicks this year?Seriously, oh and i love the title of this thread"Tired of needing the perfect team in order for bum coach to win", brilliant.
 

KBlack25

Starter
Not defending the coach but

@KnicksFanBlog
I can't believe there's people out there that actually look at PPG allowed as a meaningful measure of defense.

@KnicksFanBlog
You're really must have mental problems if you think the Knicks problems are on defense. You just hate the coach for no reason. Admit it.

Our problems are clearly offensive - if you are using PPG to show otherwise, you are wrong. The issue is clearly that we robbed Peter to pay Paul - we lost a solid leader at the PG position to fill a glaring need in the middle. We are forcing teams to take (and make) jumpers to beat us - but the offense has been a stagnant mess. Amare hasn't gone to the hole nearly enough, our PG play has been poor at best, we are relying on Baron Davis to be the savior in the coming month.

If you want to hate on MDA for not having a cohesive plan with the offensive talent we had, I think that's a totally fair and accurate criticism. But we are playing the best defense we have in years. If you are criticizing the defense this year, that's proof to me you just hate the coach and don't watch the games.
 
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Red

TYPE-A
Not defending the coach but

@KnicksFanBlog
I can't believe there's people out there that actually look at PPG allowed as a meaningful measure of defense.

@KnicksFanBlog
You're really must have mental problems if you think the Knicks problems are on defense. You just hate the coach for no reason. Admit it.

Our problems are clearly offensive - if you are using PPG to show otherwise, you are wrong. The issue is clearly that we robbed Peter to pay Paul - we lost a solid leader at the PG position to fill a glaring need in the middle. We are forcing teams to take (and make) jumpers to beat us - but the offense has been a stagnant mess. Amare hasn't gone to the hole nearly enough, our PG play has been poor at best, we are relying on Baron Davis to be the savior in the coming month.

If you want to hate on MDA for not having a cohesive plan with the offensive talent we had, I think that's a totally fair and accurate criticism. But we are playing the best defense we have in years. If you are criticizing the defense this year, that's proof to me you just hate the coach and don't watch the games.

The problem is that we still have a problem.

Here is what's wrong with this post.

1.
You just hate the coach for no reason.

No. The reasons have been listed ad nauseum, but like most, they are being ignored.

2.
You're really must have mental problems if you think the Knicks problems are on defense.

No. There are many issues, defense being one of them, but mostly the coach and his approach which directly impacts everything including defense.

Ask yourself... do YOU trust Laundry Folds to stop someone? Anyone? Can a proper system employed, and coaching help this?

Now, ask yourself... could it be that the Knick's defense is improved (but nowhere near commendable) because TWO defesive players have been added in TC and Shump.
I know ....

3.
Our problems are clearly offensive - if you are using PPG to show otherwise, you are wrong. The issue is clearly that we robbed Peter to pay Paul

No. Our problems are primarily due to the fact that for some reason we always have problems, and really, that's clearly coaching.

Yes ANY stat must be taken with a grain of salt, and this one should be transposed with our point differential. Obviously you win when you score more than you give up... hello Einstein.

Here's the crux of this dumbness...

Robbing Peter = Amnestying Billups

Hello morons not only were there people who BITCHED about resigning him (thanks Donnie), but many NEVER even believed he would be here for a full season!

To pay Paul = Tyson Chandler... the same guy who is mostly responsible for THIS POSTER ABOVE to believe our problems have nothing to do with defense, which has something to do with 'Antoni.

But the people with full mental capacity thought Billups would land us Chris Paul. LAUGH OUT LOUD.

Beggars choosers, one step back two forward, sacrifice, ...pick one.

and finally...

4.
If you want to hate on MDA for not having a cohesive plan with the offensive talent we had, I think that's a totally fair and accurate criticism. But we are playing the best defense we have in years. If you are criticizing the defense this year, that's proof to me you just hate the coach and don't watch the games.

Well that's a start.

But really, if you can't tell our entire flawed approach is apparent on both ends of the floor, that tells me you probably don't know or play basketball. You can't see the poor fundamentals? Really?


What is anyone thinking when career OFFENSIVE days have been had by our opponents best and worst players? Or when teams drop threes like bird shit? Or when Laundry Folds was guarding Ray Allen in the playoffs and averaged 1.7 points, yet is still in the starting lineup? What are you thinking?

That we have offensive problems? WOW!

I think it goes waaaaaaay past offense.
 

KBlack25

Starter
Do I trust Landry Fields to stop anyone? No. Do I think he should be benched? Yes - to an extent. I think he can still help out in certain ways. I think these criticisms are fair. But if you are criticizing the defense this year (especially using PPG), you are just wrong, simple as that. PPG is an archaic stat with little to no value in actually analyzing a team.

Can coaching help this? Also no, because no coach is going to magically imbue Landry with the lateral quickness to make him effective on the perimeter defending his man.

Yes, there were people who bitched about signing Billups - this poster was not one of them.

There were people who said Billups would get us CP3 - this poster was not one of them.

Your issue is you project other people's comments on to me.

But the defense has been good. The offense has been stagnant, uninspired and just awful, that's the issue. Teams might have career shooting days against us - but if you think Ryan Anderson is a poor shooter you haven't been following the NBA this season. I'd rather force teams to take long jumpers and beat us that way than to give up easy layups in the paint. Forcing teams into lower percentage shots is to me good defense, and it starts with Tyson Chandler affecting this team and actually making us more physical near the rim.

And the fact that you use PPG to "prove" your point just shows you don't know a gosh darn thing.

And you obviously don't know what "Robbing Peter to Pay Paul" means. We detracted, heavily, from our PG position, by amnestying Billups to create room to sign someone in Tyson Chandler to fill a role where Jared Jeffries was projected to probably start. We severely hurt our guard position play to help our center play, and though it created a much more physical team in the middle, it created a much weaker team at PG. The issue is we improved heavily in one area by hurting ourselves in another, specifically in running a fluid and capable offense through Billups.
 
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