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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    It's not a fact though that a team cannot win a championship without great PG play.

    However, bad PG play is a different case, which we've seen a lot of of from our team this season.
    That I completely agree with. My point is the Knicks are screwed. Okay we had a proven pg (chauncy Billups) for 20 games last season (with Stat&melo) and at times it worked. However, 20 games and no training camp didnt help.

    Now we have no good pg and are hoping Baron can save us. We got two guys who love to score in Stat and Melo. One of which scores of ISO and the other off pick and roll and good passing guards. Now we need a good pg to equalize all of this; right now our offense sucks because we make it so easy for the defense. We dont move the ball and we score off one on one.

    Its ironic because what we do on defense is what we need on offense now and that is MOVEMENT. I'm not a Dantoni supporter but i have to feel bad for the guy. He's never had a stable roster.

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    3. Melo is playing the same way he played in Denver but why did it work in Denver because George Karl is a great HOF coach, D'Antoni is not. In Denver guys knew how to play off Melo and make sure he could go one on one when he needs to. In New York every time he touches the ball teams zone up and the other 4 guys stand still
    Well, if it worked then why are the Nuggets now on track to make their best record since the 1975/6 season? Post trade Nuggets are .690 (compared to our .434 record), this season they are .667 (compared to .429) and that without some solid role players in Smith, Martin and Chandler that are stuck in China... Ask any Nugget fan why his team became watchable after the trade and he'll certainly say: because they got rid of Lamelo. Nuggets' problem before the trade was that Carmelo got the ball and rest of the team stood around jerking off and watching what's he going to do and this is what we're watching right now with the Knicks, no ball movement, lack of teamwork and way too many isolation and bricked shots, the same issues that bothered Denver for years.

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    Originally Posted by CoolRunnings
    I have to say I agree with you in some cases. But my point is winning and winning championships. If we examine the facts yes Melo and Stat are not playing well but its because of horrible PG play. History proves that championships are won by the hands of above average point guard play.

    Last 10 Championships

    2000: Lakers- Derick Fisher
    2001: Lakers-Derick Fisher
    2002: Lakers-Derick Fisher
    2003: Spurs- Tony Parker
    2004: Pistons-Chauncy Billups
    2005: Spurs- Tony Parker
    2006: Heat- Gary Payton/Jason Williams
    2007:Spurs-Tony Parker
    2008:Celtics- Rajon Rondo
    2009:Lakers- Derick Fisher
    2010:Lakers- Derick Fisher
    2011:Mavs- Jason Kidd


    Shumpert or Douglas will not win us anything and thats not brain science. Hopefully Baron can come in here and run the floor. If not, dont expect Melo and Stat to co-exist and play well together.
    To put it simple bro: Amar'e had a HOF PG in Phoenix named Steve Nash and didn't win ****. STAT is one of those players who look good on a boxscore or during an All-Star game, but his game is too one dimensional to lead a team to a championship. He basically relies on his athleticism 90 % of the time.
    Look at the all-around package the best power forwards of the past 10 years come equipped with, guys like Garnett, Tim Duncan, Nowitzki. They actually built their game on fundamentals and intangibles.
    STAT has no fundamentals. He really is one of those guys suffering from skipping college. One or two years at Georgetown, North Carolina or Georgia Tech and STAT would probably be in the same class as Tim Duncan.

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    "Look at the all-around package the best power forwards of the past 10 years come equipped with, guys like...Nowitzki." you guys keep me in stitches, lol, gotta love it!

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    Well, if it worked then why are the Nuggets now on track to make their best record since the 1975/6 season? Post trade Nuggets are .690 (compared to our .434 record), this season they are .667 (compared to .429) and that without some solid role players in Smith, Martin and Chandler that are stuck in China... Ask any Nugget fan why his team became watchable after the trade and he'll certainly say: because they got rid of Lamelo. Nuggets' problem before the trade was that Carmelo got the ball and rest of the team stood around jerking off and watching what's he going to do and this is what we're watching right now with the Knicks, no ball movement, lack of teamwork and way too many isolation and bricked shots, the same issues that bothered Denver for years.
    Thats bull**** Denver made the playoffs every year WITH Melo before he got there they were ****. They got to the WCF because of Melo's play and Billups' leadership. They're playing good now but they are built to win in the regular season. They have depth but they don't have a championship caliber team. You could probably see an upset by them this year in the 1st round but on the contrary the Knicks have holes that make a huge difference in being average, good or great.

    We need a facilitator and the problem is we ask Melo to do that, he does it early but then he doesn't get a rhythm and then when he does get his shots, the 1st few are always with 5-6 seconds left on the shot clock so those aren't in rhythm shots. We need someone who can lead our offense and get STAT his pick n roll dunks and lay ups, we need to run set plays with Melo coming off screens and getting back door passes.

    If we iso Melo give it to him at 10 so we can get 2 or 3 cuts and he can read the D.

    We also need a shooting guard who can shoot, Melo had Afflalo, Smith and Iverson guys who defenses had to key in on which allowed Melo to attack more efficiently.

    If we want to become NBA Champions we have to just make those improvements.

    Also C'ANToni's offense isn't built for a great wing like Melo its built for a great PG and shooters and slashers which is the team we dont have. Put any other coach with this team and I guarantee we are at least 10-5 right now

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    To put it simple bro: Amar'e had a HOF PG in Phoenix named Steve Nash and didn't win ****. STAT is one of those players who look good on a boxscore or during an All-Star game, but his game is too one dimensional to lead a team to a championship. He basically relies on his athleticism 90 % of the time.
    Look at the all-around package the best power forwards of the past 10 years come equipped with, guys like Garnett, Tim Duncan, Nowitzki. They actually built their game on fundamentals and intangibles.
    STAT has no fundamentals. He really is one of those guys suffering from skipping college. One or two years at Georgetown, North Carolina or Georgia Tech and STAT would probably be in the same class as Tim Duncan.
    I wouldn't say 90 pct of the time lol. Stat was an MVP caliber performer last season primarily because his jump shot was virtually unstoppable. It's what catapulted him into elite status. What's going on with him this year is a combination of a back injury. Melo. No pg. Poor chemistry. And getting used to being guarded by other teams power fwds w Chandler at the center spot. And Amare used to own time Duncan in the playoffs. Check. The box scores. The suns lost those games because d antoni. Was never a quality and still isn't a quality fourth quarter coach. And we all know who was on the other side lines Popovich is one of the best fourth quarter coaches in NBA history.

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    Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
    I wouldn't say 90 pct of the time lol. Stat was an MVP caliber performer last season primarily because his jump shot was virtually unstoppable. It's what catapulted him into elite status. What's going on with him this year is a combination of a back injury. Melo. No pg. Poor chemistry. And getting used to being guarded by other teams power fwds w Chandler at the center spot. And Amare used to own time Duncan in the playoffs. Check. The box scores. The suns lost those games because d antoni. Was never a quality and still isn't a quality fourth quarter coach. And we all know who was on the other side lines Popovich is one of the best fourth quarter coaches in NBA history.
    Not the prime Tim Duncan though that killed us in the 99 Finals....
    And MVP is a media award imo, Lebron is a two-time MVP, but is totally unable to lead his team to a championship, because come Finals time he just disappears.

    STAT was great last season when it came to scoring the ball, but let's be honest his game was still fundamentally flawed, but nobody from the Knicks community said anything about it, because we were in the Playoff picture after years of .350 basketball.....he was turnover prone, had no postgame and didn't play defense....right or right?

    I think if he had gone to college, he might actually had a post game and learned how to play defense.

    STAT with a post game and defense would be a top 5 player in the league and the best thing about it: He could score even without a pick and roll PG and still score in the 50% FG range when his jumper is off for weeks like it is right now.

    Ultimately we wouldn't even need Chandler, because a STAT with defense could guard the paint too and the huge money we spend on Chandler for that could be invested in a top notch PG or shooting guard.

    Melo's offense is probably the most versatile in the NBA, he can score from three, take the mid-range jumper (which he does too often this year), drive to the basket or post up in the paint.

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    @CA7: Carmelo never passed the first round without Billups, moreover he never won more than one game in the series and that despite having a supporting cast of prime Camby, co-star Iverson and a group of solid role players like including Nene and K-Mart... and now compare it to what LeBron had and how far he made it (3 x semi's, 1 x conference finals and 1 x NBA finals).

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    @CA7: Carmelo never passed the first round without Billups, moreover he never won more than one game in the series and that despite having a supporting cast of prime Camby, co-star Iverson and a group of solid role players like including Nene and K-Mart... and now compare it to what LeBron had and how far he made it (3 x semi's, 1 x conference finals and 1 x NBA finals).
    Of course Lebron is better! Lebron James is the best player in the NBA, with a **** character and weak nerves, but yeah - he is the best. No doubt about it.

    I'd love to have him in New York, everything else would be hypocrisy!
    The guy has the complete package (apart from the nerves to bring it in the Finals).

    I think I wouldn't even hate him if he was a Knick. I'm actually 99,9% sure I wouldn't.

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    @CA7: Carmelo never passed the first round without Billups, moreover he never won more than one game in the series and that despite having a supporting cast of prime Camby, co-star Iverson and a group of solid role players like including Nene and K-Mart... and now compare it to what LeBron had and how far he made it (3 x semi's, 1 x conference finals and 1 x NBA finals).
    Carmelo was in the loaded Western Conference and barely ever got home court advantage the year they should have had it when the NBA went with the 3 division winners getting the top 3 seeds Denver was #3 but the Clippers #6 got home court because of a better record so they got screwed.

    Also LeBron's Cleveland team wouldn't have been able to match up with the Western Conference teams. The 1 year they made it to the Finals they got swept so what does it matter.

    Unlike most I followed Melo since Oak Hill he's been my guy and I know how he can be great. Playing for C'ANToni isn't his style, he'd be great with a Rick Adelman, Rick Carlisle or Doc Rivers, he was great with George Karl but C'ANToni's "system" is too reliant on a Point Guard we dont have which affects everything, other coaches can adapt to who they have, why cant he

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    Well if he can't adapt into D'Antoni's system then why New York? He could push for trading him anywhere else... if he doesn't fit into this team why did Dolan step up and made it happen? The only reasons why Carmelo is a Knick are: "fans" chanting his name at the Garden and a dumb owner who didn't give a stuff about what his GM said... We got an uncomplete "star" and we lost a proven GM with a bunch of solid role players. That deal was meant to make us better, instead it made us worse and improved Denver. SMH @ Dolan...

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    Well if he can't adapt into D'Antoni's system then why New York? He could push for trading him anywhere else... if he doesn't fit into this team why did Dolan step up and made it happen? The only reasons why Carmelo is a Knick are: "fans" chanting his name at the Garden and a dumb owner who didn't give a stuff about what his GM said... We got an uncomplete "star" and we lost a proven GM with a bunch of solid role players. That deal was meant to make us better, instead it made us worse and improved Denver. SMH @ Dolan...
    Are you one of those guys who preferred the team before the trade....I think you are...the fact of the matter is Amar'e keeps calling C'ANToni this offensive genuis.....if he was he'd be able to design an offense where he can get the most out of both Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire BUT no he cant and Melo did make this team better, all it takes is non retarded coach to make things work

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    If by making this team better you mean losing more games and playing the ugliest basketball possible then yes, Melo made this team better.

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    Well if he can't adapt into D'Antoni's system then why New York? He could push for trading him anywhere else... if he doesn't fit into this team why did Dolan step up and made it happen? The only reasons why Carmelo is a Knick are: "fans" chanting his name at the Garden and a dumb owner who didn't give a stuff about what his GM said... We got an uncomplete "star" and we lost a proven GM with a bunch of solid role players. That deal was meant to make us better, instead it made us worse and improved Denver. SMH @ Dolan...
    Are you kidding me? The Knicks get a chance to land one of the top 10 players in the league and you blame the org for getting him??? The plan all along was to get two star players to build a foundation with, or did you forget? Role players can be acquired easily. Guys like Melo don't come along that often! Why am i even explaining this to you? If you know basketball then you would have figured it out on your own.

    Newsflash: The deal didn't make us worse. It changed the makeup of the team and our "genius" coach hasn't adjusted to it. We went from a high scoring shooting team to an arguably best frontcourt team in the NBA... or did you forget that too?

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Are you kidding me? The Knicks get a chance to land one of the top 10 players in the league and you blame the org for getting him??? The plan all along was to get two star players to build a foundation with, or did you forget? Role players can be acquired easily. Guys like Melo don't come along that often! Why am i even explaining this to you? If you know basketball then you would have figured it out on your own.

    Newsflash: The deal didn't make us worse. It changed the makeup of the team and our "genius" coach hasn't adjusted to it. We went from a high scoring shooting team to an arguably best frontcourt team in the NBA... or did you forget that too?
    thank you now I dont have to reply to this idiot who doesn't see what the real problem is

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