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    I miss the team we had before the trade after reading this..

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    I've been saying this since the day the deal was made...

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    Ironic how the terrible 2009 Draft comes back to haunt us today!

    We could have easily had Brandon Jennings on a 4 year rookie contract, but we took Jordan Hill - a player D'Antoni had no use for and we sent him to Houston for nothing.

    What a terrible and costly mistake for the Knicks.

    Jennings is easily good enough to run D'Antoni's offense.

    18 ppg, 8 apg, 2 spg player in D'Antoni's system.

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    Teams can win with being complete.

    A team can win without being complete, too, I suppose, by just having sheer firepower, and those individual starts having the versatility in their own games, as such complete players, that it masks having major holes.

    Lebron is that type of player. So is CP3. And Wade, too.

    Overwhelmingly good, complete players.

    Amare, and to a much lesser but still important degree Melo, are not.

    This is all very simple....get a starting NBA point guard, and Amare will play like a dominant all-star again, Melo will jive better with the team, and the entire team will thus improve.

    The same way Chandler has almost single handedly improved our D -- despite all the other problems, including the gaping hole at PG.

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    Did you know that Gallo ranks 2nd in the NBA in dunks made? :wow:

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    Ironic how the terrible 2009 Draft comes back to haunt us today!

    We could have easily had Brandon Jennings on a 4 year rookie contract, but we took Jordan Hill - a player D'Antoni had no use for and we sent him to Houston for nothing.

    What a terrible and costly mistake for the Knicks.

    Jennings is easily good enough to run D'Antoni's offense.

    18 ppg, 8 apg, 2 spg player in D'Antoni's system.
    Jru Holiday...Ty Lawson were also available.

    And yet, I would say the biggest travesty here wasn't even in those players and Jennings...but not securing Ricky Rubio, which we could have.

    I believe it was the Wizards who were EAGER to shop their pick, and had been in very close talks with us on a swap.

    The sticking point: Wilson Chandler, who we ultimately refused to include, nixing the deal.

    Granted, we likely would have selected Stephen Curry; but I guess it coulda been Rubio, too.

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    Originally Posted by StEpHoN_mArBuRy
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    I miss the team we had before the trade after reading this..
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    I've been saying this since the day the deal was made...
    I cant believe you guys this team is a pure point guard and a wing who can shoot the 3 ball consistently and a great NBA coach away from being Elite and you want that team before the trade who has no chance at all of being championship contenders who if STAT goes down has no chance of being in a close game I repeat if STAT goes down with them the way he did against Boston which player on that team puts the team on his back like Carmelo did in Game 2, who? Gallinari no he's not the next Dirk, like people say he can be, Wilson Chandler is a role player who can easily be replicated, Felton is a product of the system. Jameer Nelson got in his ass back in the 2010 playoffs. Mozgov, whatever. Anthony Randolph never played anyway.

    The part that does suck was letting go of Corey Brewer who would be a great 2/3 off the bench or even starting.

    Back to my point we are 2 players and a better coach away from being where we wanna be. Maybe when Baron Davis comes back and we potentially add a scoring 2 guard like JR Smith or another banger inside like Kenyon Martin we'll see. The real problem is our role players dont fit in with our core guys

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    if you go a little further back the team of Crawford Randolph and Lee was pretty decent as well and we got rid of all that for Renaissance Man and media eluding Carmelo just so Dolan can raise ticket prices and destroy a valuable piece of Knicks history with Willis tunnel.

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    Some people make it so embarrassing to be Knick fans. One minute its this then the next its something else. I want this player, this player sucks, these guys were better...etc

    There is only ONE issue. This coaching staff.

    Antoni with no Nash = below average coaching.

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    Gallinari was always good.

    You guys were always too busy criticizing him because he was an MDA guy to notice.

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    I've been trying to block out what that article is about...Im on the official **** Gallinari bandwagon right now.

    But lets be real about last years team...

    Felton was shot half way through the year, he overworked himself. Amare was shot i believe it was before the Melo trade. Chandler is better then Mozgov

    Its hard for me to judge this team when we dont really have a real point guard. I dont think its fair. Shumpert is an impressive rookie but hes not a point guard. Antoni has also been a problem, this teams not built for him.

    Melo is a talented player but hes not a point guard. Bibby is old, Douglas is either hurt or has lost all of his confidence.

    How many teams can u say have no point guard? The Lakers are the only team that comes to mind but even Blake and Fisher > Douglas and Bibby. Fishers not a playmaker but still knows how to run a team better then anyone we have. They also have Kobe who handles the ball alot.

    I think we should play Bibby more and play more of an inside outside game. With a lineup of Bibby, Shumpert, Melo, Stat, and Chandler ball movement should theoretically flow smooth. With those 5, i see all types of different plays that would work with different combinations of players. Offense should not be a problem, just imagine if u were a coach and that was the starting 5 they gave u. That should be fun for most coaches to work with, I think Dantoni lets the players do what they want too much. Way too much ISO for players with these types of talents

    POST UP: Amare, Melo
    3 Pointer: Bibby, Melo, Shumpert
    Mid Range: Bibby, Melo, Amare, Shumpert
    Pick and roll finishers: Melo, Amare, Chandler
    Slashers: Shumpert, Melo

    Once someone like Amare or Melo establishes themself in the low post they're more likely to get doubled, leaving someone like Bibby, Melo, Shumpert, Douglas or Fields for an open corner 3.

    And no homo but run more backdoor plays for guys like Fields. He usually finishes them

    Theres alotta talent here, alotta versatility but if its a complete waste if Dantoni's gonna either coach his team or allow his team to ISO almost everytime down the court.

    A big reason why the pre-Melo Knicks were better was because of the playmaking point guard Ray Felton. This new knicks team, Dantoni just doesnt know how to coach them. Theres no playmaking point guard to lead the way until Davis is back. The old Knicks with Felton were more his style of play.

    In Conclusion, i wouldnt get too caught up in the Old Knicks having the better record. I do think this team is more talented, we just need a playmaker and a better coach.
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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Some people make it so embarrassing to be Knick fans. One minute its this then the next its something else. I want this player, this player sucks, these guys were better...etc

    There is only ONE issue. This coaching staff.

    Antoni with no Nash = below average coaching.
    Might actually be true, but drafting Jordan Hill, a player our coach didn't need and we shipped out for nothing, two years ago when Jennings, Holiday and Lawson were available and our biggest need is a decent PG right now.....makes the Knicks look stupid once again.

    Especially because they don't eat up much cap space this season and next season, probably around $3-$4 million - which is nothing for a PG of their caliber.

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    Man look Baron Davis is a good PG. At worse he comes here and plays like Andre Miller. I think he is going to come in and play well, Baron can be a competitive player when he is motivated and this is his chance to regain the reputation a bad situation took from him (his time on the clippers started horribly and stayed that way until right before he left). What the Knicks need is a reliable backup PG & a 6th man. I agree the Melo trade was a lost oppourtunity to stack the bench which is now bare. But wishing and what if'ing isn't going to fix that. The Knicks have to see what a Vet min accepting Baron (who if it works out the knIcks could pay decent money after his cav money runs out in 2 seasons) can do. The Knicks are once again in a "wait and see" situation.

    Right now there is no offense, however the whole league is playing shameball. At least we have a former all star PG on the bench. Imagine if BarOn didn't clear waivers????

    The problems we have now is just the roosters coming home to coop. The way to fix this is to not overreact. D'antoni is likely gone. Not having a pick this year sucks, however the Knicks are making smarter moves. Sending Lin and Jordan to a situation where they can improve was smart. Signing a top 5 center was smart (Billups was at best a trade piece this year unless he way way overperformed). Not picking Jennings was a dumb pick but I think the Knicks learned from that situation as well.
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    Its not only the fact that we lack depth that makes me second guess the trade. Its also the feeling I get that the roster is flawed in its make up and our two stars just may not be a good fit. I definitely want to see how we do with a new coach and healthy Baron Davis before making any moves regarding those 2 but we knew coming in neither played much defense and both are ball stoppers who don't make others around them better. I am concerned eveb another coach may not be able to get these 2 to defend and elevate the play of their teammates.

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    also George Karl is a far more superior coach then the idiot we got...

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