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    Originally Posted by StEpHoN_mArBuRy
    Its not only the fact that we lack depth that makes me second guess the trade. Its also the feeling I get that the roster is flawed in its make up and our two stars just may not be a good fit. I definitely want to see how we do with a new coach and healthy Baron Davis before making any moves regarding those 2 but we knew coming in neither played much defense and both are ball stoppers who don't make others around them better. I am concerned eveb another coach may not be able to get these 2 to defend and elevate the play of their teammates.
    It's funny because the shots aren't hitting. In theory Amare is a PnR pf who can get open without the ball. He can ISO but that was based on a Orlando type offense where if he was doubled he cod ditch it out to a shooter. Now with no PG he isnt able to play Good PnR nor is there any reliable shooters on the perimeter anymore. Baron will allow him to PnR again and the Knicks can look to get shooters for lower money... So there is hope.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Gallinari was always good.

    You guys were always too busy criticizing him because he was an MDA guy to notice.
    Yep

    And he's gettin better all the time. I know cause he's on my fantasy squad.

    Miss Gallo.


    KingStarbury how can you hate on him?? He's a homegrown Knick, played w heart and passion for our team and wanted to stay here. smh

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    Default Gallo is the only player we gave up thats producing for his team right now!

    I have to laugh at how lopsided people make this trade out to be simply because of how much better Denver did/is after the Melo trade without going a bit deeper.

    Fact: Gallo is the only player who's is making a significant difference for the next squad he is on. Mozgov is a starting NBA center averaging 4 pts, 4 rebs and less than a block and under 20 mins because he still can't keep from fouling and still has not learned how to catch a pass!

    But Gallo is not their savior, Ty Lawson is the MVP of that team hands down! Gallo is plenty valuable make no mistake, but it was Ty Lawson being able to take over the PG after Billups was dealt that is the driving force! If Gallo misses the next 15 games they still could go 11-4, if Ty goes down 6-9 at best!

    Ty Lawson improved overnight once Billups was gone and still would be playing behind Billups if Chauncy were not traded, yet the improvement is all about Melo's not being there anymore!

    Fact: Raymond Felton's numbers were dipping before he was traded, continued to go down in Denver and are approaching him being statistically the being the worst starting PG in the league....Shump is playing out of position in a sputtering offense, on a bad knee and is doing better!

    Fact: Jorts is averaging more rebs and just as many points as Anthony Randolph is....I bring this up because this is a player I have heard many cry about losing!


    The comparison of us to Denver after the deal is inaccurate from our perspective, from a Nuggets perspective it shows that THEY are better, but it does not mean we got worst!

    Allow me to say that again, The Nuggets being better after the trade does not mean The Knicks are worst off!!!!


    People say we gave up 5 starters for Melo....which one is not true because Mozgov nor Randolph was not playing much less starting at the time of the deal and people also discount the impact Rudy Fernandez and Brewer have had in making that team better....actually Brewer is the player on The Nuggets I most wish we had! That's honestly the biggest blunder of the transaction....at least until we see what the picks turn out to be



    But lets really analyze this thing player for player

    If we still had Felton then we would have no BD, so who would you rather have?

    BD>Felton

    Take a pole of GM's in the league about Gallo and Melo and you'll find that most feel this way......Gallo<<<Melo


    Tyson Chandler became a Knick because of us using amnesty on Billups who we got in the deal so lets compare him to the Center we gave up

    Chandler>>>>>>>>>>Mozgov

    this does not mean I'm saying we are better than Denver (that really should not be our barometer) I'm saying the perception of a horrible return in this deal is greatly exagerrated

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    I have to laugh at how lopsided people make this trade out to be simply because of how much better Denver did/is after the Melo trade without going a bit deeper.

    Fact: Gallo is the only player who's is making a significant difference for the next squad he is on. Mozgov is a starting NBA center averaging 4 pts, 4 rebs and less than a block and under 20 mins because he still can't keep from fouling and still has not learned how to catch a pass!

    But Gallo is not their savior, Ty Lawson is the MVP of that team hands down! Gallo is plenty valuable make no mistake, but it was Ty Lawson being able to take over the PG after Billups was dealt that is the driving force! If Gallo misses the next 15 games they still could go 11-4, if Ty goes down 6-9 at best!

    Ty Lawson improved overnight once Billups was gone and still would be playing behind Billups if Chauncy were not traded, yet the improvement is all about Melo's not being there anymore!

    Fact: Raymond Felton's numbers were dipping before he was traded, continued to go down in Denver and are approaching him being statistically the being the worst starting PG in the league....Shump is playing out of position in a sputtering offense, on a bad knee and is doing better!

    Fact: Jorts is averaging more rebs and just as many points as Anthony Randolph is....I bring this up because this is a player I have heard many cry about losing!


    The comparison of us to Denver after the deal is inaccurate from our perspective, from a Nuggets perspective it shows that THEY are better, but it does not mean we got worst!

    Allow me to say that again, The Nuggets being better after the trade does not mean The Knicks are worst off!!!!


    People say we gave up 5 starters for Melo....which one is not true because Mozgov nor Randolph was not playing much less starting at the time of the deal and people also discount the impact Rudy Fernandez and Brewer have had in making that team better....actually Brewer is the player on The Nuggets I most wish we had! That's honestly the biggest blunder of the transaction....at least until we see what the picks turn out to be



    But lets really analyze this thing player for player

    If we still had Felton then we would have no BD, so who would you rather have?

    BD>Felton

    Take a pole of GM's in the league about Gallo and Melo and you'll find that most feel this way......Gallo<<<Melo


    Tyson Chandler became a Knick because of us using amnesty on Billups who we got in the deal so lets compare him to the Center we gave up

    Chandler>>>>>>>>>>Mozgov

    this does not mean I'm saying we are better than Denver (that really should not be our barometer) I'm saying the perception of a horrible return in this deal is greatly exagerrated

    I do not disagree with most of what you said BUT
    Shump is playing better then Felton did ????????

    your kidding right ?

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