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    The thing about the knicks, we miss chauncey billups and/or ray felton(hate to admit it) they were actual point guards. Shumpert is a shooting guard at heart and mentality. With the ball in his hands, he has the open shot, he shoots. He has no concept of getting the ball to the stars and working his game off theirs. Tony douglas is more of a point guard, but isn't as talented.
    Barron Davis is the knicks only hope. The addition of chandler is great but the loss of billups was devastating...we need a PG in the worst way. If things don't turn around 1 month after he's been playing then the knicks need to think about things.

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    All these posts come back to the same fact.

    It's the coach, or should I sat lack of coaching?

    Coach got Stat last year = Knicks were fairly good.

    Coach then added Melo = Knicks got a little worse.

    Coach then added Chandler = Knicks now a lot worse.

    Coach - "Oh, wait til we get BD on the floor".

    Please! Coach is afraid to confront star players and demand they take the responsibility to work their talent within a team concept.

    Would JVG, Phil Jackson, Doug Collins, etc. watch Stat never touch the ball for half a game, watch a a scrub team nails 17 3's and make no changes?

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    Originally Posted by CLYDE
    All these posts come back to the same fact.

    It's the coach, or should I sat lack of coaching?

    Coach got Stat last year = Knicks were fairly good.

    Coach then added Melo = Knicks got a little worse.

    Coach then added Chandler = Knicks now a lot worse.

    Coach - "Oh, wait til we get BD on the floor".

    Please! Coach is afraid to confront star players and demand they take the responsibility to work their talent within a team concept.

    Would JVG, Phil Jackson, Doug Collins, etc. watch Stat never touch the ball for half a game, watch a a scrub team nails 17 3's and make no changes?
    I watched a game, where Shumpert was 0-7 before he hit a shot, while melo and amare didn't shoot at all and all while the grizzlies built up a double digit lead! He wasn't benched, and continued to shoot 15 first half shots! Ended 5 of 20, with 3 assists...in a game where amare only took 7 shots. carmelo only 11 shots. Makes no sense not to bench a rookie who's shot was off, but kept firing it up and not setting up teamates. Not sharing...putting pressure on amare and melo, to make something happen when they get the ball. Then they have to play selfish and force it to get their shots. A coaches job, terrible coaching.
    I like shumpert, he can score, but a coach has to reel him in and direct the ball to melo and stat. He shouldn't ever shoot more then either of them, ever. He can be a great player if he's coached...oh well guess thats not gonna happ
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    Originally Posted by MeloforMayor
    Baron looks like he's in pretty good shape. He did a good job of not fattening up without any physical exercise for the past few months.

    He looks a little more jacked now then he used to be but u see that often with players entering their mid 30's

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    Yawn???? does the truth bore you?

    Be it Europe or USA we need a PG, my post was not an endorsement to Dantoni's style, just stating the facts!
    No, just tired of this shell game of what 'antoni needs to successfully integrate his European style in the NBA.

    I'm wondering when everyone will admit that there comes a time when what's needed is too overzealous and the fact that we still need someone won't cure poor fundamentally unsound approaches and play. When?

    Next it'll be, B Diddy is good, but we need a better PG who can defend as well, and perhaps a better defensive coach. Smh

    As if a player will detract from shooting 35 3's... or when trying to hold a lead, a player will detract from 3 turnovers and 4 missed three pointers as we blow said lead. Baffling and perplexing to say the least.

    Saying "we need better, more capable players to improve" is a) overstating the obvious as ANY team who loses can say this, b) won't cure ineffective European approaches to the game.

    Wake me when we realize this.

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    Yes, "european" ball, that horrible, horrible thing. Woefully ineffective.

    Except when it's Gallo dropping loads and deuces down our throats to close out games....

    Or MVP'ing NBA champion teams.....

    Your bias is obvious, Red. You're really starting to reach.

    And you obv won't pipe down till person in question has to take a hundred ****s on your argument, till you relent. Just like what happened with your opinions on Gallo. And, assuming MDA is given the chance to hang round as coach, the same will likely happen with him to some degree.

    NewYorkNewYork wasn't stating some bland platitude (like you keep repeating) about "needing better and better players".

    Can someone make a statement around here without you and one of your select minions parroting speeches about "european ball" and MDA?

    How about a team gets a starting level NBA PG and improves the worst backcourt in the NBA; giving it's superstars the most obvious element they could use to play great.

    Idk of any squad with multiple offensive stars who work well, without one of them either having PG-like handle and passing skills, or the team having a quality point guard already their.

    Let alone two big forwards with weak passing games. Smh...And no **** it has *something* to do with MDA, just like any coach wants obvious players to fill obvious, crater-sized holes in their lineups.

    Nobody was bitching when we marginal starter Raymond Felton "magically" was getting all-star nods in his first year with us.

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    Cool iSaY Euroball is ughh!

    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    Yes, "european" ball, that horrible, horrible thing. Woefully ineffective.
    While you exaggerate and contradict yourself (see: reaching below), I'll entertain myself by formulating how much dumber I can make you look. Let me guess... you're European. Or your parents are.

    So fickle. Aight, lets proceed.

    Except when it's Gallo dropping loads and deuces down our throats to close out games....

    Or MVP'ing NBA champion teams.....
    Mad, sad ughh... are you intimating Gallinari (I assume was your favorite you freaky man) or better yet George Carl uses a European philosophy, and that's what beat us? Sounds like it. If I didn't know any better, I would say you have no clue what the f*ck you are talking about. See... now I feel foolish.

    Well that was factually incorrect. Maybe you are concluding, that being Gallo is European, in some way his play justifies our ill faded approach.

    Do you know how dumb you sound? Have you even considered that maybe Carl is a better coach, with a better strategy, who used this to influence a player and team to beat us? Have you? That's not a reach... it's juuuuuust a bit more possible than your assumptions.

    Your bias is obvious, Red. You're really starting to reach.
    Pots and kettles my friend. Except you seem to be the one reaching judging by your statements above. Yes Ughh, I am allergic to poor ill concieved unproven concepts; and overpaid, over-hyped coaches who produce the other thing I am allergic to, losing. What can I say I'm a winner. And real recognizes real.

    Moving on...

    And you obv won't pipe down till person in question has to take a hundred ****s on your argument, till you relent. Just like what happened with your opinions on Gallo. And, assuming MDA is given the chance to hang round as coach, the same will likely happen with him to some degree.
    Really, I have no clue what you are talking about. My opinions of Gallo, were just that, opinions. Based on my analysis at the time. Again, are you intimating Gallo has been stellar throughout? And again, do you like him? Seems fishy, but I hope you are a female.

    Furthermore, after you implored your brilliance, do you regret choosing SF Gallo with Wilson Chandler (oh yeah, I said I thought Chandler was a better all around player.. seems 'Antoni thought that too. Go Europe!) on the team with viable POINT GUARDS (who 'Antoni seems to NEED) on the board. Seems counterintuitive doesn't it? Don't hurt yourself.

    Maybe, just maybe, our coach had visions of Three Point grandeur... but hey two tears in a bucket right? I mean this coach stresses the fundamentals that you learned in basketball right? They told you that its a great idea to build a perimeter oriented team did they? Yeah I bet they did.

    Reluctantly, I'll proceed.

    NewYorkNewYork wasn't stating some bland platitude (like you keep repeating) about "needing better and better players".

    Can someone make a statement around here without you and one of your select minions parroting speeches about "european ball" and MDA?
    Ahhh... that's refreshing! Not only did you comment on a discussion I had with another poster, one which I already clarified and replied to. But below you played yourself... again. Wow. Lets read your "bland platitude" shall we.

    How about a team gets a starting level NBA PG and improves the worst backcourt in the NBA; giving it's superstars the most obvious element they could use to play great.

    Idk of any squad with multiple offensive stars who work well, without one of them either having PG-like handle and passing skills, or the team having a quality point guard already their.

    Let alone two big forwards with weak passing games. Smh...And no **** it has *something* to do with MDA, just like any coach wants obvious players to fill obvious, crater-sized holes in their lineups.

    Nobody was bitching when we marginal starter Raymond Felton "magically" was getting all-star nods in his first year with us.
    Yo I'm dying laughing... seriously!

    You too are fooled into believing this poor coaching is a result of not having another PG. Sad.

    As if having a PG would have prevented us from shooting 35 threes. Or attempting threes only, mixed with a few turnovers, after blowing a lead. Are you aware that it is best when a team attempts to drive and draw fouls when behind- that way hopefully they can score without the clock moving and possibly alter the strategy and/or minutes of certain players?

    Did you learn this?

    Please recall it was our coach who chose Duhon as our "starting level NBA PG" and force fed us.

    Oh and please try and picture the myriad of rosters we could have built without 'Antoni's European influence before you present arguments. It makes you look uninformed. And I'd bet there was a "starting level NBA PG" in there somewhere right?

    Did you know when a team has a foul to give late in the game it's best to use it early enough as to prevent a shot from going up while reducing the loss of precious time? C'mon.

    Felton and allstar nods... really? I thought that was a popularity contest. Maybe its me. Didn't AI and TMAC get enough votes to start an allstar game with putrid outputs?

    see: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    Allstar votes... we're talking allstar votes?

    My god just stfu you imbecile.

    Are you aware of the effects of increased possessions?

    Did they teach you that it's best when 6'10 guys come into the league and shoot threes? You poor hostage, predisposed to believing in European Mike. Unable to decipher the exact reasoning why with better players we are exhibiting a break down in fundamentals... by commodities that were deservedly viewed as perennial allstars.

    Can't find the answer, the common theme? Really? Well I'm now sleepy and yawning because for some reason this is still a point if contention.

    Maybe I'll go outside and practice my jumper like the Europeans do.
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    ^^^^^^^^^Where the f*ck you at IsayUghh?

    Flapping your jibs?

    We're waiting.

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    Originally Posted by KingStarbury3
    He looks a little more jacked now then he used to be but u see that often with players entering their mid 30's
    please change your sig that **** is disturbing

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    Originally Posted by Red
    ^^^^^^^^^Where the f*ck you at IsayUghh?

    Flapping your jibs?

    We're waiting.


    Sorry, Red; I missed this segment of the Daily D'antoni tabloid that you contributed to, as Editor in Queef. It's all starting to mold into one giant piece of satire at this point.

    But thx for the reminder. Consider me your surgeon, helping you get healthy. Let the dissection begin,

    I'll entertain myself by formulating how much dumber I can make you look. Let me guess... you're European. Or your parents are.
    Strike One! A big queefing whiff to start you off. On a sale of -10 to 0, how would you rate your instincts and accuracy of opinion?

    See... now I feel foolish.

    Well that was factually incorrect. Maybe you are concluding, that being Gallo is European, in some way his play justifies our ill faded approach.

    Do you know how dumb you sound? Have you even considered that maybe Carl is a better coach
    Well, you at least got the first part right.

    Just tossing me floaters right down the middle; maybe you don't surgery, so much as therapy, to cure you of this compulsion of receiving smackdowns.

    Fact: You referenced European approaches to the game as being "ineffective" and that we need to cleanse our team of this approach. Many other times, you have said similar, but even more flamboyant statements against "Eurpean ball".

    Fact: When Gallo was a Knick, you often knocked him referencing his "European" days, and that his game was influenced by D'antoni/European style.

    A day after a "European" player beasts down our throats (who you used to deride *citing* his European background and style of play), I find it ironic.

    Don't insinuate and make such incorrect, generalized statements, and you won't leave yourself so exposed.

    So, my "intimation" was just that you don't know what you're talking about when you mention Euro ball. And when you sound off about "Euro ball", repeatedly critiquing players and coaches with that reference, it is sound and fury signifying nothing but you reaching to keep making arguments against MDA, like a hampster spinning in it's wheel, in search of the elusive victory.

    Pots and kettles my friend. Except you seem to be the one reaching judging by your statements above. Yes Ughh, I am allergic to poor ill concieved unproven concepts; and overpaid, over-hyped coaches who produce the other thing I am allergic to, losing. What can I say I'm a winner. And real recognizes real.
    You sound like the old-school dinosaurs of baseball, with their narrow-minded and dogmatic thoughts on what works, and what is real.

    D'antoni the Moneyball to your "Why, that boy doesn't LOOK like a TRUE slugger" antiquated perspective.

    Sorry, but when you MDA's offensive philosophy is "unproven" and "ill-conceived", reality says you are dead ****ing wrong, hombre

    *Coach of the Year
    *Polled as one of the top 2 most sought after and respected coaches to play for by NBA players
    *Oversaw one of the most successful NBA offenses in the history of the game

    Players, coaches, the league, statistics, and history disagree with you.

    Really, I have no clue what you are talking about. My opinions of Gallo, were just that, opinions. Based on my analysis at the time.
    Let's do the wave, as the world waves away the credibility of your opinions and analysis once again.

    Much like your analysis and opinions were wrong about Gallo, so to are they about D'antoni.

    Don't make me go dig up some of your most flamboyantly, outrageously wrong posts about Gallo.

    It's simple, though. Based on you analysis at this time, you are wrong about D'antoni. That's all.

    I just referenced Gallo because of how often you have mentioned European players, D'antoni players, and how you have tethered your opinions on Gallo with your opinions on D'antoni in the past.

    You're wasting time talking about Gallo over and over, when it is something where you've already been proven wrong. It's taking spotlight away from proving you wrong on D'antoni.

    The rest of your post just isn't relevant, though it is still riddled with inaccuracies.

    Yes, Felton was having a career year. Get over it, Red, reality and history aren't going to change to suit your agenda and desires.

    And a PG would obviously have a profound impact on this team, for a variety of precise reasons which shouldn't need to be tutored to you over and over.

    We all know how bad you fear a PG coming here while MDA is still around.

    Because in due time we will seeing a vintage MDA team, with the benefit of DPOY-talents in a true Center:

    *players having career years
    *rookies and young players playing well, and above their draft selections
    *exceeding expectations, and contending

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    Originally Posted by iSaYughh


    Sorry, Red; I missed this segment of the Daily D'antoni tabloid that you contributed to, as Editor in Queef. It's all starting to mold into one giant piece of satire at this point.

    But thx for the reminder. Consider me your surgeon, helping you get healthy. Let the dissection begin,



    Strike One! A big queefing whiff to start you off. On a sale of -10 to 0, how would you rate your instincts and accuracy of opinion?



    Well, you at least got the first part right.

    Just tossing me floaters right down the middle; maybe you don't surgery, so much as therapy, to cure you of this compulsion of receiving smackdowns.
    ^^^ FAIL. You wrote mad lines, but made NO points.

    Fact: You referenced European approaches to the game as being "ineffective" and that we need to cleanse our team of this approach. Many other times, you have said similar, but even more flamboyant statements against "Eurpean ball".

    Fact: When Gallo was a Knick, you often knocked him referencing his "European" days, and that his game was influenced by D'antoni/European style.
    Could you try any harder to look silly? Referencing his European days? His game was influenced by European style?

    Gosh, you do know we are in a basketball forum right? Have there been MANY players "INFLUENCED" by D'Antoni and his approach?

    The answer is clearly yes. See Jorts shoots mad threes. Damn, were you watching? Couldn't figure out why that happened? Hint: Coaching (or lack there of).

    A day after a "European" player beasts down our throats (who you used to deride *citing* his European background and style of play), I find it ironic.

    Don't insinuate and make such incorrect, generalized statements, and you won't leave yourself so exposed.
    I think your emotions are getting the best of you. Now you're rambling on again, without making a point. Let me help you.

    I don't agree with the approach (that has nothing to do with where the player is from), a different coach used a different approach, coaching the same player (validity) and as you say... he beasted.

    +1 for me and Gallo making my point that the COACH was the difference. But further, again you ignored my point (emotions can do that) which was, we had a small forward that was more than capable (and IF you were correct would have been even better because MDA is soooo great) YET WE DRAFTED A SF!!!! Hello I thought you NEEDED a guard. Fail.

    BTW there were guards still on the board, but were turned down after being scouted by MOA... one bested too! Don't hear you saying anything about that. Epic Fail.

    Every one of Jennings 36 points made MOA look dumber than you do right now. Amazing right? Yep lets ignore the real relevant facts.

    Continue...

    So, my "intimation" was just that you don't know what you're talking about when you mention Euro ball. And when you sound off about "Euro ball", repeatedly critiquing players and coaches with that reference, it is sound and fury signifying nothing but you reaching to keep making arguments against MDA, like a hampster spinning in it's wheel, in search of the elusive victory.
    See the verdict is in please. Same points still apply. Reading comprehension my G. Further proof of your lack of knowledge to come...


    You sound like the old-school dinosaurs of baseball, with their narrow-minded and dogmatic thoughts on what works, and what is real.

    D'antoni the Moneyball to your "Why, that boy doesn't LOOK like a TRUE slugger" antiquated perspective.

    Sorry, but when you MDA's offensive philosophy is "unproven" and "ill-conceived", reality says you are dead ****ing wrong, hombre
    LOL Money Ball? Word? Were the A's won 20 straight only to be beat. Yup that sounds like you. 20 lines just to be beat. Try harder pal.

    Let's see this next one...

    *Coach of the Year
    *Polled as one of the top 2 most sought after and respected coaches to play for by NBA players
    *Oversaw one of the most successful NBA offenses in the history of the game

    Players, coaches, the league, statistics, and history disagree with you.
    Wow an old poll answered based on perception. So where is D'Antoni's contract extension? Where was the demand in PHX? Oh wait, the SUNS disagree with you. EVERYONE WHO MADE MOA GET A DEFENSIVE ASSISTANT VALIDATES MY POINT...HELLO? You getting this? Are you familiar with economics... where is the demand? Let me put it this way

    The GM's, guys IN CHARGE of MONEY (not anonymous player polls) SAY I'm RIGHT, They disagree with you. THEY (ALL THREE) FELT MOA lacked in defense!!!! Kerr gave him an ultimatum because he saw he was weak. Thats considering his record and such.

    Walsh tried to draft as per MOA and when he saw he was a failure, left us with a drafted (TD too) defensive PG. Grunfeld thought so too. He moved a PG for guess what.... size and defense. They agree with me.

    BTW... a player NOT anonymously speaking Charles Barkley (and more) yes a 50 greatest player of all time says MDA and his style doesn't work. And yes he's said it many times. Does that make a difference now?

    Coach of the year. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... you use that to vilify your point. Poor fan. You haven't played any ball have you? We know. But I'm the one who's narrow-minded.

    So someone who doesn't play basketball is approached with this brilliant sounding idea of how to reinvent the wheel...

    and you bought it... sucker!

    Step right up.



    Let's do the wave, as the world waves away the credibility of your opinions and analysis once again.

    Much like your analysis and opinions were wrong about Gallo, so to are they about D'antoni.

    Don't make me go dig up some of your most flamboyantly, outrageously wrong posts about Gallo.

    It's simple, though. Based on you analysis at this time, you are wrong about D'antoni. That's all.

    I just referenced Gallo because of how often you have mentioned European players, D'antoni players, and how you have tethered your opinions on Gallo with your opinions on D'antoni in the past.

    You're wasting time talking about Gallo over and over, when it is something where you've already been proven wrong. It's taking spotlight away from proving you wrong on D'antoni.

    The rest of your post just isn't relevant, though it is still riddled with inaccuracies.

    Yes, Felton was having a career year. Get over it, Red, reality and history aren't going to change to suit your agenda and desires.

    And a PG would obviously have a profound impact on this team, for a variety of precise reasons which shouldn't need to be tutored to you over and over.

    We all know how bad you fear a PG coming here while MDA is still around.


    Because in due time we will seeing a vintage MDA team, with the benefit of DPOY-talents in a true Center:

    *players having career years
    *rookies and young players playing well, and above their draft selections
    *exceeding expectations, and contending
    Yeah they're questioning my credibility alright. I think it's obvious who know what and who's selling what. Thanks for your emotional comments used to buttress your views. Its clear your feelings have clouded your judgement.

    Again you can't argue with me no matter what style I call it. If you want to get technical we could do that too. We can break down tape as some knowledgeable posters have. We can talk coach talk if you're up to it.

    Believe me you don't belong in a conversation with me. You're a fan and thats it. You have no clue what's going on, so I'll keep it remedial if you'd like.

    You certainly aren't speaking from experience. So the next time I say "is this what you were taught" don't bother we know the answer. That doesn't pertain to you for lack of experience. Thats cool. Just play your part fan.

    However you want to do it, I can teach you how to play, to recognize exactly what you are seeing, but you have to pipe down your emotions.

    It's Euro influenced. SSOL, spread Pick and Roll, whatever same concepts.

    You have many weak points and it's clear you are a novice at best, so when I teach you, i'll take it slow, and begin with the fundamentals. Give it a few years and maybe you'll be ready for advanced basketball. Ok?

    Don't waste our time getting inflamed about the term EURO. Thats lesson one, players don't get offended about the term EURO. Ok? Now go home and study son, we have work to do.

    PS maybe your dad is European? Grandma?
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    Originally Posted by Red
    ^^^ FAIL. You wrote mad lines, but made NO points.



    Could you try any harder to look silly? Referencing his European days? His game was influenced by European style?

    Gosh, you do know we are in a basketball forum right? Have there been MANY players "INFLUENCED" by D'Antoni and his approach?

    The answer is clearly yes. See Jorts shoots mad threes. Damn, were you watching? Couldn't figure out why that happened? Hint: Coaching (or lack there of).



    I think your emotions are getting the best of you. Now you're rambling on again, without making a point. Let me help you.

    I don't agree with the approach (that has nothing to do with where the player is from), a different coach used a different approach, coaching the same player (validity) and as you say... he beasted.

    +1 for me and Gallo making my point that the COACH was the difference. But further, again you ignored my point (emotions can do that) which was, we had a small forward that was more than capable (and IF you were correct would have been even better because MDA is soooo great) YET WE DRAFTED A SF!!!! Hello I thought you NEEDED a guard. Fail.

    BTW there were guards still on the board, but were turned down after being scouted by MOA... one bested too! Don't hear you saying anything about that. Epic Fail.

    Every one of Jennings 36 points made MOA look dumber than you do right now. Amazing right? Yep lets ignore the real relevant facts.

    Continue...



    See the verdict is in please. Same points still apply. Reading comprehension my G. Further proof of your lack of knowledge to come...




    LOL Money Ball? Word? Were the A's won 20 straight only to be beat. Yup that sounds like you. 20 lines just to be beat. Try harder pal.

    Let's see this next one...



    Wow an old poll answered based on perception. So where is D'Antoni's contract extension? Where was the demand in PHX? Oh wait, the SUNS disagree with you. EVERYONE WHO MADE MOA GET A DEFENSIVE ASSISTANT VALIDATES MY POINT...HELLO? You getting this? Are you familiar with economics... where is the demand? Let me put it this way

    The GM's, guys IN CHARGE of MONEY (not anonymous player polls) SAY I'm RIGHT, They disagree with you. THEY (ALL THREE) FELT MOA lacked in defense!!!! Kerr gave him an ultimatum because he saw he was weak. Thats considering his record and such.

    Walsh tried to draft as per MOA and when he saw he was a failure, left us with a drafted (TD too) defensive PG. Grunfeld thought so too. He moved a PG for guess what.... size and defense. They agree with me.

    BTW... a player NOT anonymously speaking Charles Barkley (and more) yes a 50 greatest player of all time says MDA and his style doesn't work. And yes he's said it many times. Does that make a difference now?

    Coach of the year. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... you use that to vilify your point. Poor fan. You haven't played any ball have you? We know. But I'm the one who's narrow-minded.

    So someone who doesn't play basketball is approached with this brilliant sounding idea of how to reinvent the wheel...

    and you bought it... sucker!

    Step right up.





    Yeah they're questioning my credibility alright. I think it's obvious who know what and who's selling what. Thanks for your emotional comments used to buttress your views. Its clear your feelings have clouded your judgement.

    Again you can't argue with me no matter what style I call it. If you want to get technical we could do that too. We can break down tape as some knowledgeable posters have. We can talk coach talk if you're up to it.

    Believe me you don't belong in a conversation with me. You're a fan and thats it. You have no clue what's going on, so I'll keep it remedial if you'd like.

    You certainly aren't speaking from experience. So the next time I say "is this what you were taught" don't bother we know the answer. That doesn't pertain to you for lack of experience. Thats cool. Just play your part fan.

    However you want to do it, I can teach you how to play, to recognize exactly what you are seeing, but you have to pipe down your emotions.

    It's Euro influenced. SSOL, spread Pick and Roll, whatever same concepts.

    You have many weak points and it's clear you are a novice at best, so when I teach you, i'll take it slow, and begin with the fundamentals. Give it a few years and maybe you'll be ready for advanced basketball. Ok?

    Don't waste our time getting inflamed about the term EURO. Thats lesson one, players don't get offended about the term EURO. Ok? Now go home and study son, we have work to do.

    PS maybe your dad is European? Grandma?
    I think one Euro- bball - god would disagree w you.. Dirk, a big man who stands away from the basket, shoots from the perimeter and can do a bit of everything.

    Granted Dallas played a more half-court oriented style on offense, alot of times theyd spread the perimeter as in MDAs offense, move the ball well, play drive n kick, run some pick and roll n shoot the open 3. I felt like i was watching MDAs offense many times last yr in the finals, but w proper talent operating it, an experienced point to direct traffic, shooters/ scorers in Marion/Terry/ Barea n Dirk tilting the floor (getting doubled n making teams pick their poison, or just driving n kicking) w his uber Euroball style you despise so much. Dallas threw in Chandler n he helped glue together the some of the holes in the D that Dirk n Kidd created. They r not adequate defenderz. Similar to Melo n Amare.

    We're trying to do what they did, albeit w a more sped (which i think can work w adequate PG play) up offense. But the basic formula is the same: mix Euro style ball w solid defense, an amalgam that has proved highly potent.

    You need a complete team though and you miss that. Your hatred for this coach has spiraled out of balance n you can no longer show even a shred of objectivity.

    This backcourt we have is still terrible. Melo still hasnt found his way in our offense. The defense still needs to get better also. This is on the players to figure out on the court. Too many times they go under screens or rotate poorly. Im sure MDA or Woodson points these things out in the film rm n they will get better. The players have to execute though.

    The most important thing i can say is that we need a PG who can run the show. Lack of gd pointguard play is killing us. Melo is a competent passer but he can not have the offense run thru him, atleast not yet. It pains me that we have either TD, a rookie or Bibby as our best alternatives. This simply will NOT get it done in the NBA. Our frontline is gd, but not that gd. Even Bird, Parish n Mchale needed Dennis Johnson We need solid play from our backcourt. Every team does. This is fundmental piece that you miss Red. Even your traditional inside -out type teams need adequate play from the back court. Its not specific to any particular style a team plays. It comez back to players. It always does. Can you acknowledge this? Or will you continue to act as if the glaring holez our team has arent there? Wake up Red..
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    Doesn't our team's record tell the whole story? There's no need to even write more than 2 lines about it. A team full of All-stars that can't score or win for that matter is a failure... That directly falls on the coaches head. Fire D'Antoni... There's no way to argue otherwise!

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    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    Doesn't our team's record tell the whole story? There's no need to even write more than 2 lines about it. A team full of All-stars that can't score or win for that matter is a failure... That directly falls on the coaches head. Fire D'Antoni... There's no way to argue otherwise!

    Okay Kingof NY it's that simple.. Who plays and how they play doesn't matter at all.. Never did. Youre right.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    I think one Euro- bball - god would disagree w you.. Dirk, a big man who stands away from the basket, shoots from the perimeter and can do a bit of everything.

    Granted Dallas played a more half-court oriented style on offense, alot of times theyd spread the perimeter as in MDAs offense, move the ball well, play drive n kick, run some pick and roll n shoot the open 3. I felt like i was watching MDAs offense many times last yr in the finals, but w proper talent operating it, an experienced point to direct traffic, shooters/ scorers in Marion/Terry/ Barea n Dirk tilting the floor (getting doubled n making teams pick their poison, or just driving n kicking) w his uber Euroball style you despise so much. Dallas threw in Chandler n he helped glue together the some of the holes in the D that Dirk n Kidd created. They r not adequate defenderz. Similar to Melo n Amare.

    We're trying to do what they did, albeit w a more sped (which i think can work w adequate PG play) up offense. But the basic formula is the same: mix Euro style ball w solid defense, an amalgam that has proved highly potent.

    You need a complete team though and you miss that. Your hatred for this coach has spiraled out of balance n you can no longer show even a shred of objectivity.

    This backcourt we have is still terrible. Melo still hasnt found his way in our offense. The defense still needs to get better also. This is on the players to figure out on the court. Too many times they go under screens or rotate poorly. Im sure MDA or Woodson points these things out in the film rm n they will get better. The players have to execute though.

    The most important thing i can say is that we need a PG who can run the show. Lack of gd pointguard play is killing us. Melo is a competent passer but he can not have the offense run thru him, atleast not yet. It pains me that we have either TD, a rookie or Bibby as our best alternatives. This simply will NOT get it done in the NBA. Our frontline is gd, but not that gd. Even Bird, Parish n Mchale needed Dennis Johnson We need solid play from our backcourt. Every team does. This is fundmental piece that you miss Red. Even your traditional inside -out type teams need adequate play from the back court. Its not specific to any particular style a team plays. It comez back to players. It always does. Can you acknowledge this? Or will you continue to act as if the glaring holez our team has arent there? Wake up Red..
    But Ron... We've had Plenty of chances to draft a pg... what happened? Tell us Ron, IF a PG is so imperative why didn't we draft one when we had the chance? TELL US WHY RON PLEASE.

    Then explain to us when we got Chauncey Billups why was there so much negativity Ron? Why was a former finals MVP, veteran PG, with an outside shot, who can deliver both passing and in the clutch, NOT the right PG, RON? Please entertain us.

    You see RON those (and many other instances) seem to have NOT been considered.

    What it says, what I've been saying is THAT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A PG! YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC TYPE OF PG... AND when you NEED a specific type it is clear you (coach) are LIMITED!!!!!! Not a genius. LIMITED therefore you deserve no extra chances to offer excuses,

    Nor will we entertain his shell game of who you NEED because we all know you have us looking for 1 of maybe 3 players ON THE F*CKING PLANET!

    Stop. Address those questions I posed or stop embarrassing yourself.

    PS. When the Best PG you actually had (Billups) got here...
    HE DETESTED THE MIKE D'ANTONI WAY. The best PG Mike had since being here STILL DIDN'T FIT.

    One of the PG's (Jennings) available to draft, shape, mold into Whatever your imaginary PG MOA & YOU keep trying to sell us & you keep clamoring for WAS AVAILABILE! What happened?

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