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Thread: Knicks @ Heat: Friday, Jan 27th, 8:00pm. The Gruesome Tale Of 2 Rebuilt Franchises.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Wth dude lol?! What do you want him to do? Come out in sweat pants n a wife-beater??? He knows he's going to be on TV.. Dude played well tnite I thought.

    I don't even know why people are mad about this loss. We showed alotta heart tnite even though we were majorly outgunned.
    Yeah you don't really have a good feel for basketball. That just proved it.

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    Ok, sorry I wasn't with yas for the ride, I actually got to watch on tv for once due to ESPN. Still hating on Time Warner... anyhow, agree the 3s made this fools gold, that said I was as happy as one can be with a loss, I had fears of being all over sportscenter for getting stormed, we played pretty hard and hung around. Problems for sure, but Miami is quite good, and we were without Anthony and Davis (at this rate if we had a first rounder we could draft THAT DUDE) but I always say, losses and wins each only count as 1, this is 1 loss, so you can't be pleased. Agree Dantoni mic'd up was a disgrace, but what else is new. Don't totally get the Fields hate, thought he was OK, not great but OK, yes, Wade took him to school on a handful of occasions, but was anyone so naive as to think Fields would shut Wade down well? Sometimes I think it's just a matter of choosing someone to blame. I hate hearing posters rip Douglas, Walker and Fields while trying to give Anthony and Stoudemire a pass. Look, I love our guys and want our stars to be stars, but why don't we complain as much when Fields fails? Well pretty damned simple, Fields and others aren't paid huge dollars to produce huge stats and be leaders. Sorry, comes with the territory. Other quick hits, enjoyed every Bibby make vs Miami as I know he did, hated lack of using Balkman, and think I read someone chose ESPN over MSG because they can't stand listening to Breen... Breen was on the ESPN broadcast tonight brother...

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    we looked good till the Heat turned up the heat in the middle 4th qtr...honestly these guys are very good and play a sufficating defense. What kills me is losing to the Suns/Cavs - teams like that. I'd love to beat the heat, but if we can't beat the chumps then what would it matter

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Wth dude lol?! What do you want him to do? Come out in sweat pants n a wife-beater??? He knows he's going to be on TV.. Dude played well tnite I thought.

    I don't even know why people are mad about this loss. We showed alotta heart tnite even though we were majorly outgunned.
    12pts 5-14 6rbs

    You have no clue what you're talking about man.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Yeah you don't really have a good feel for basketball. That just proved it.
    Stop... he played a complete game, both ways. I thought he was focused and looked into it defensively throughout the game for a change. He hustled and moved the ball. Guys were hitting there shots in the first three quarters so he let it ride. In the fourth he stepped it up some when guys became tentative.. Wasn't enough tho. That's all. In the end it was him up against Miami's three stars n he had Bosh who's a gd defender on him. I thought Amare did what he could. There was no one to take pressure off him.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    12pts 5-14 6rbs

    You have no clue what you're talking about man.
    No i have clear vision, enough to go beyond the box score and analyze wtf actually happened in the game, unlike some people obviously. I understand you're frustrated about the loss but you cant take anything away from me knowledge-wise NYK NYK. I respect your acumen and views, but I'll start to sling the mud back if you keep up.
    Last edited by ronoranina; Jan 27, 2012 at 23:06.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    No i have clear vision, enough to go beyond the box score and analyze wtf actually happened in the game, unlike some people obviously. I understand you're frustrated about the loss but you cant anything away from me knowledge-wise NYK NYK. I respect your acumen and views, but I'll start to sling the mud back if you keep up.
    He didn't have a good game. Period. If that's what you'll accept every game as good then you're looking at subpar performances and most likely losses.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    He didn't have a good game. Period. If that's what you'll accept every game as good then you're looking at subpar performances and most likely losses.
    Did you read the part where I acknowledged he sat back through three quarters because other guys had it going?? Let's say you did and you agree. Wouldn't you agree that if his teammates weren't shooting the lights out for three quarters he probably would have scored more?? Common man. He played both ways against the skeet, hustled and had enough sense to let the game come to him when other guys were hot. Plus he had Miami's D doubling n tripling him..

    Considering what he was up against and what he needed to do thru three quarters, I thought he played a good game.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Ever since Alan Hahn started working for MSG he has lost all credibility. He can't say anything too negative about Antoni so he always comes up with these bull**** reasons why Amare is struggling or why the offense in general is crap. He never mentions Antoni or questions his decisions. He's in house so he no longer matters.
    Your right but Kelly Tripucka is in house more than Hahn is...Hahn tells you the real problems but never includes Mike D but he does question things often, he jsut doesnt say "I dont get Mike D on this one"

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    I thought Amare was aggressive. He took the ball to the rack numerous times. Alot of times Miami packed the middle and he tried to stop short and pull up awkwardly. A couple of times he drove in there and drew fouls, couple times barreled into guys.

    Again Amare is not a post up player. He's an explosive face-up four through n through, who can run a pick roll to perfection and shoot well from mid-range. This is what you get from him. Should be no surprise what he does out there. He can also be great in transition. He runs so well for a big man.

    2 parts of his game (the pick n roll and transition game parts) have all but disappeared due to all of our guards being constitutionally incapable of running this O properly. Smfh!

    HINT-HINT-HINT....
    Stat draws double-teams....Melo draws double-teams, but for some ungodly
    reason the two superstars has become stand-still-portraits on offense, and
    always want to put the ball on the floor which leads to them being double/tripple
    team....do they pass? or do they force-up shots?
    Whatever they do it stop movement of the ball, and movement of teammates
    When oponents double/tripple Duncan or KG they pass the ball to an open man....
    Durant & Lebron when double/tripple team they pass to the open man.
    The PG dont have anything to do with Stat & Melo inefficiency on offense....
    Dantoni's ridiculous offense has alot to do with Stat & Melo's inside scoring....
    by not knowing where to position Tyson Chandler on offense. Plus our offense
    dont have any of our BIGS setting screens or picks for our PG...

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    The only good thing I really saw out of this game was that Amar'e started hitting a few mid-range jumpers.

    That's pretty much it. Everything else was lame as hell.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    He didn't have a good game. Period. If that's what you'll accept every game as good then you're looking at subpar performances and most likely losses.
    I've beat up on STAT a lot, mainly because his defense and on-court iQ has always rubbed me the wrong way.

    But he showed improvement in those areas tonight.

    STAT showed qualities that transcend whether or not he is getting the 20+ pts at a .600 that we expect and need from him. That's important, and I can respect that.

    I can't speak for Ron, but I believe he is assessing that STAT will not be at his best until he is playing a style that lets him play to his absolute best.

    Ya, that's a flaw in STAT, but almost every player is flawed to some major degree. Very few players (Lebron, eg) can just absolutely ball and dominate regardless of teammates and setting.

    We factually do not have the personal to operate an offense that will allow STAT to be the MVPesque PF he has been during his career. .

    And it's the simple truth that a PG is the crux of it. Especially given how a PG would be the single most vital thing in repairing and building up the dynamic between Melo and STAT on offense.

    Yes, we could do a total overhaul and implement from ground up some half-court, set-play based system.

    But you're fooling yourself if you think Amare will thrive like that like you want him to thrive. Same for Fields. And same for the ability for Amare and Melo to co-exist powerfully together.

    2/3 are extremely vital things. The ability for us to contend and every win a title depends upon it.

    What you see as MDA being stubborn is him not bending what he knows to be a winning formula, to lock down something that isn't as optimal just so we can look a bit better and more logical on the court in the short-term.

    We are getting a PG in Baron soon. And regardless, we will be getting a PG in the off season by some combo of trade and the MLE.

    We have a top 10 NBA defense right now. And it will get better as the team gels, and players like Shumpert improve. AND if Amare shows the improved IQ and willingness he showed tonight.

    MDA had us as the 5th best offense in the NBA last year. And that was without Melo. And it was our 1st year playing as a legit team with some talent.

    If you don't think MDA can't get us back to being at a BARE MINIMUM top 5 offense in the NBA, you're just resistant to and hating the man's style.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Ever since Alan Hahn started working for MSG he has lost all credibility. He can't say anything too negative about Antoni so he always comes up with these bull**** reasons why Amare is struggling or why the offense in general is crap. He never mentions Antoni or questions his decisions. He's in house so he no longer matters.
    What bothers me....is so many members in KO dictate/justify what this guy is spitting out

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    HINT-HINT-HINT....
    Stat draws double-teams....Melo draws double-teams, but for some ungodly
    reason the two superstars has become stand-still-portraits on offense, and
    always want to put the ball on the floor which leads to them being double/tripple
    team....do they pass? or do they force-up shots?
    Whatever they do it stop movement of the ball, and movement of teammates
    When oponents double/tripple Duncan or KG they pass the ball to an open man....
    Durant & Lebron when double/tripple team they pass to the open man.
    The PG dont have anything to do with Stat & Melo inefficiency on offense....
    Dantoni's ridiculous offense has alot to do with Stat & Melo's inside scoring....
    by not knowing where to position Tyson Chandler on offense. Plus our offense
    dont have any of our BIGS setting screens or picks for our PG.
    ..
    Dude.. picks are set for our guards umpteen times throughout these games.

    I mean seriously wtf are you watching Kiya.. feck.

    And if anyone at this point thinks the lack of solid point play isn't hurting the team.. idk.. i feel for you.

    Open your eyes people. Lack of adequate PG play is our BIGGEST weakness!

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    The only good thing I really saw out of this game was that Amar'e started hitting a few mid-range jumpers.

    That's pretty much it. Everything else was lame as hell.
    Atleast Mike D FINALLY played Steve Novak...Mike D is the worst...how long does it take to realize your players cant hit three point shots and you have to bring in some 3 point specialists?

    Novak started forcing it because he knew he was only in there to hit 3's quickly and never gets playing time.

    Thats another thing I cant stand about our coach, he wont play someone for weeks and then plays them 15+ minutes in one game and expects them to break out or sit back on the bench for a couple more weeks, what kind of coaching is that?

    Bibby finally hit some shots but missed many he should have made, open shots..

    Walker was just on fire and how come in the start of the season we had Fields taking up all of Walkers minutes when FIelds was doing nothing on offense?

    When you want to hit threes you bring in this lineup....Bibby, Shumpert, Walker, Novak, Amare...

    that should be the set lineup when no one is hitting outside shots.

    But watch, Mike D will have a lineup of Douglas, Shumpert, Fields, Jeffries, and Chandler when we are in dire need of points.

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