Knicks @ Heat: Friday, Jan 27th, 8:00pm. The Gruesome Tale Of 2 Rebuilt Franchises.

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nyk_nyk

All Star
Wth dude lol?! What do you want him to do? Come out in sweat pants n a wife-beater??? He knows he's going to be on TV.. Dude played well tnite I thought.

I don't even know why people are mad about this loss. We showed alotta heart tnite even though we were majorly outgunned.

Yeah you don't really have a good feel for basketball. That just proved it.
 

WNY_Knickfan

Benchwarmer
Ok, sorry I wasn't with yas for the ride, I actually got to watch on tv for once due to ESPN. Still hating on Time Warner... anyhow, agree the 3s made this fools gold, that said I was as happy as one can be with a loss, I had fears of being all over sportscenter for getting stormed, we played pretty hard and hung around. Problems for sure, but Miami is quite good, and we were without Anthony and Davis (at this rate if we had a first rounder we could draft THAT DUDE) but I always say, losses and wins each only count as 1, this is 1 loss, so you can't be pleased. Agree Dantoni mic'd up was a disgrace, but what else is new. Don't totally get the Fields hate, thought he was OK, not great but OK, yes, Wade took him to school on a handful of occasions, but was anyone so naive as to think Fields would shut Wade down well? Sometimes I think it's just a matter of choosing someone to blame. I hate hearing posters rip Douglas, Walker and Fields while trying to give Anthony and Stoudemire a pass. Look, I love our guys and want our stars to be stars, but why don't we complain as much when Fields fails? Well pretty damned simple, Fields and others aren't paid huge dollars to produce huge stats and be leaders. Sorry, comes with the territory. Other quick hits, enjoyed every Bibby make vs Miami as I know he did, hated lack of using Balkman, and think I read someone chose ESPN over MSG because they can't stand listening to Breen... Breen was on the ESPN broadcast tonight brother...
 

petescud

Starter
we looked good till the Heat turned up the heat in the middle 4th qtr...honestly these guys are very good and play a sufficating defense. What kills me is losing to the Suns/Cavs - teams like that. I'd love to beat the heat, but if we can't beat the chumps then what would it matter
 

nyk_nyk

All Star
Wth dude lol?! What do you want him to do? Come out in sweat pants n a wife-beater??? He knows he's going to be on TV.. Dude played well tnite I thought.

I don't even know why people are mad about this loss. We showed alotta heart tnite even though we were majorly outgunned.

12pts 5-14 6rbs

You have no clue what you're talking about man.
 

ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
Yeah you don't really have a good feel for basketball. That just proved it.

Stop... he played a complete game, both ways. I thought he was focused and looked into it defensively throughout the game for a change. He hustled and moved the ball. Guys were hitting there shots in the first three quarters so he let it ride. In the fourth he stepped it up some when guys became tentative.. Wasn't enough tho. That's all. In the end it was him up against Miami's three stars n he had Bosh who's a gd defender on him. I thought Amare did what he could. There was no one to take pressure off him.
 

ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
12pts 5-14 6rbs

You have no clue what you're talking about man.

No i have clear vision, enough to go beyond the box score and analyze wtf actually happened in the game, unlike some people obviously. I understand you're frustrated about the loss but you cant take anything away from me knowledge-wise NYK NYK. I respect your acumen and views, but I'll start to sling the mud back if you keep up.
 
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nyk_nyk

All Star
No i have clear vision, enough to go beyond the box score and analyze wtf actually happened in the game, unlike some people obviously. I understand you're frustrated about the loss but you cant anything away from me knowledge-wise NYK NYK. I respect your acumen and views, but I'll start to sling the mud back if you keep up.

He didn't have a good game. Period. If that's what you'll accept every game as good then you're looking at subpar performances and most likely losses.
 

ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
He didn't have a good game. Period. If that's what you'll accept every game as good then you're looking at subpar performances and most likely losses.

Did you read the part where I acknowledged he sat back through three quarters because other guys had it going?? Let's say you did and you agree. Wouldn't you agree that if his teammates weren't shooting the lights out for three quarters he probably would have scored more?? Common man. He played both ways against the skeet, hustled and had enough sense to let the game come to him when other guys were hot. Plus he had Miami's D doubling n tripling him..

Considering what he was up against and what he needed to do thru three quarters, I thought he played a good game.
 

Paul1355

All Star
Ever since Alan Hahn started working for MSG he has lost all credibility. He can't say anything too negative about Antoni so he always comes up with these bullshit reasons why Amare is struggling or why the offense in general is crap. He never mentions Antoni or questions his decisions. He's in house so he no longer matters.
Your right but Kelly Tripucka is in house more than Hahn is...Hahn tells you the real problems but never includes Mike D but he does question things often, he jsut doesnt say "I dont get Mike D on this one"
 

Kiyaman

Legend
I thought Amare was aggressive. He took the ball to the rack numerous times. Alot of times Miami packed the middle and he tried to stop short and pull up awkwardly. A couple of times he drove in there and drew fouls, couple times barreled into guys.

Again Amare is not a post up player. He's an explosive face-up four through n through, who can run a pick roll to perfection and shoot well from mid-range. This is what you get from him. Should be no surprise what he does out there. He can also be great in transition. He runs so well for a big man.

2 parts of his game (the pick n roll and transition game parts) have all but disappeared due to all of our guards being constitutionally incapable of running this O properly. Smfh!


HINT-HINT-HINT....
Stat draws double-teams....Melo draws double-teams, but for some ungodly
reason the two superstars has become stand-still-portraits on offense, and
always want to put the ball on the floor which leads to them being double/tripple
team....do they pass? or do they force-up shots?
Whatever they do it stop movement of the ball, and movement of teammates
When oponents double/tripple Duncan or KG they pass the ball to an open man....
Durant & Lebron when double/tripple team they pass to the open man.
The PG dont have anything to do with Stat & Melo inefficiency on offense....
Dantoni's ridiculous offense has alot to do with Stat & Melo's inside scoring....
by not knowing where to position Tyson Chandler on offense. Plus our offense
dont have any of our BIGS setting screens or picks for our PG...
 

SSj4Wingzero

All Star
The only good thing I really saw out of this game was that Amar'e started hitting a few mid-range jumpers.

That's pretty much it. Everything else was lame as hell.
 

iSaYughh

Starter
He didn't have a good game. Period. If that's what you'll accept every game as good then you're looking at subpar performances and most likely losses.

I've beat up on STAT a lot, mainly because his defense and on-court iQ has always rubbed me the wrong way.

But he showed improvement in those areas tonight.

STAT showed qualities that transcend whether or not he is getting the 20+ pts at a .600 that we expect and need from him. That's important, and I can respect that.

I can't speak for Ron, but I believe he is assessing that STAT will not be at his best until he is playing a style that lets him play to his absolute best.

Ya, that's a flaw in STAT, but almost every player is flawed to some major degree. Very few players (Lebron, eg) can just absolutely ball and dominate regardless of teammates and setting.

We factually do not have the personal to operate an offense that will allow STAT to be the MVPesque PF he has been during his career. .

And it's the simple truth that a PG is the crux of it. Especially given how a PG would be the single most vital thing in repairing and building up the dynamic between Melo and STAT on offense.

Yes, we could do a total overhaul and implement from ground up some half-court, set-play based system.

But you're fooling yourself if you think Amare will thrive like that like you want him to thrive. Same for Fields. And same for the ability for Amare and Melo to co-exist powerfully together.

2/3 are extremely vital things. The ability for us to contend and every win a title depends upon it.

What you see as MDA being stubborn is him not bending what he knows to be a winning formula, to lock down something that isn't as optimal just so we can look a bit better and more logical on the court in the short-term.

We are getting a PG in Baron soon. And regardless, we will be getting a PG in the off season by some combo of trade and the MLE.

We have a top 10 NBA defense right now. And it will get better as the team gels, and players like Shumpert improve. AND if Amare shows the improved IQ and willingness he showed tonight.

MDA had us as the 5th best offense in the NBA last year. And that was without Melo. And it was our 1st year playing as a legit team with some talent.

If you don't think MDA can't get us back to being at a BARE MINIMUM top 5 offense in the NBA, you're just resistant to and hating the man's style.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Ever since Alan Hahn started working for MSG he has lost all credibility. He can't say anything too negative about Antoni so he always comes up with these bullshit reasons why Amare is struggling or why the offense in general is crap. He never mentions Antoni or questions his decisions. He's in house so he no longer matters.

What bothers me....is so many members in KO dictate/justify what this guy is spitting out
 

ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
HINT-HINT-HINT....
Stat draws double-teams....Melo draws double-teams, but for some ungodly
reason the two superstars has become stand-still-portraits on offense, and
always want to put the ball on the floor which leads to them being double/tripple
team....do they pass? or do they force-up shots?
Whatever they do it stop movement of the ball, and movement of teammates
When oponents double/tripple Duncan or KG they pass the ball to an open man....
Durant & Lebron when double/tripple team they pass to the open man.
The PG dont have anything to do with Stat & Melo inefficiency on offense....
Dantoni's ridiculous offense has alot to do with Stat & Melo's inside scoring....
by not knowing where to position Tyson Chandler on offense. Plus our offense
dont have any of our BIGS setting screens or picks for our PG.
..

Dude.. picks are set for our guards umpteen times throughout these games.

I mean seriously wtf are you watching Kiya.. feck.

And if anyone at this point thinks the lack of solid point play isn't hurting the team.. idk.. i feel for you.

Open your eyes people. Lack of adequate PG play is our BIGGEST weakness!
 

Paul1355

All Star
The only good thing I really saw out of this game was that Amar'e started hitting a few mid-range jumpers.

That's pretty much it. Everything else was lame as hell.
Atleast Mike D FINALLY played Steve Novak...Mike D is the worst...how long does it take to realize your players cant hit three point shots and you have to bring in some 3 point specialists?

Novak started forcing it because he knew he was only in there to hit 3's quickly and never gets playing time.

Thats another thing I cant stand about our coach, he wont play someone for weeks and then plays them 15+ minutes in one game and expects them to break out or sit back on the bench for a couple more weeks, what kind of coaching is that?

Bibby finally hit some shots but missed many he should have made, open shots..

Walker was just on fire and how come in the start of the season we had Fields taking up all of Walkers minutes when FIelds was doing nothing on offense?

When you want to hit threes you bring in this lineup....Bibby, Shumpert, Walker, Novak, Amare...

that should be the set lineup when no one is hitting outside shots.

But watch, Mike D will have a lineup of Douglas, Shumpert, Fields, Jeffries, and Chandler when we are in dire need of points.
 

CA7

Scoring Champ
Another problem is our role players dont fit our star players.

Miami surrounded James, Bosh and Wade with Miller, Haslem, Battier, Chalmers, Anthony, Cole and Jones- shooters, defenders, glue guys.

New York surrounded Anthony, Stoudemire and Chandler with Shumpert, Fields, Douglas, Walker, Bibby, Jeffries and Harrellson- question marks from game to game.

Like I've been saying we need to get a pass 1st PG(Sessions) to replace Douglas, replace Jeffries with Novak, replace Fields with Balkman, replace Walker with Redick or a guy who can move without the ball and knock down 3's.

We gotta build around them this off-season is so important
 

Kiyaman

Legend
you called that good ball movement lmao we hit 18 3's and lost come one dude Melo is not the problem he's also playing great D this year just because he doesn't have steals or blocks doesn't mean he isn't defending, numbers aren't everything on D

It was the best ball-movement we had all season.
Melo & Stat is a problem....when nobody in the lockerroom is bold enough to
question Melo or Stat about their actions on the court....that's a problem.
And defense....Melo/Stat been faking-it on defense all season, but then again....
both superstars been doing that throughout their NBA career.
In the future....I hope the two dont be on the court at the same time much
in our rotation.
Tonight, Bosh & Anthony protected Miami paint from inside scoring well.
We did not have close to the same affect from Tyson & Stat....the majority
of Miami points were from inside scoring...
 

iSaYughh

Starter
^ Kiya, that's true but the majority of MIA's were also just from sheer supremacy and superiority of Lebron and Wade.

They got, what, 60pts off over .500% shooting?

We also were +9 in turnovers to MIA. And had pathetic play from our guards, especially PG, missing countless open look and easy scoring opportunities as a result.

Our D was again pretty good.

We were fortunate to have Walker explode.

To consistently contend with MIA, we nee to:

limit turnovers
possess superior guard play by way of starting a legit PG

And in suit, this needs to create a high-level, super efficient NBA offense -- like what we had last year -- and get Amare and Melo flowing together and firing on all cylinders in the type of co-existence we know to be as essential as it has been elusive.
 

Red

TYPE-A
Full of contradictions.

I've beat up on STAT a lot, mainly because his defense and on-court iQ has always rubbed me the wrong way.

But he showed improvement in those areas tonight.

STAT showed qualities that transcend whether or not he is getting the 20+ pts at a .600 that we expect and need from him. That's important, and I can respect that.

:pong:

I can't speak for Ron, but I believe he is assessing that STAT will not be at his best until he is playing a style that lets him play to his absolute best.

Duh. Really? Who isn't at their best when playing a style that let's them play to their absolute best? :boohoo:

So the style of putting up 40+ threes doesn't suit STAT?

Ya, that's a flaw in STAT, but almost every player is flawed to some major degree. Very few players (Lebron, eg) can just absolutely ball and dominate regardless of teammates and setting.

Isn't that the kind of PG you seek? We don't have the other kind that can just do what they are asked right? (sarcasm):thumbsup:

Either they're doing what they are asked, or have the ability to dominate regardless... which is it? What kind of PG's do we have?

If it's not the dominate type (which I don't think they are), then that means they basically have to do what they are asked... which means when we see how they play, they are doing what they were asked to do. They were told to shoot low percentage shots and "move the ball" (where exactly is by design)

this produced, an inordinate amount of threes as well as turnovers.

I love this next one. :peace:

We factually do not have the personal to operate an offense that will allow STAT to be the MVPesque PF he has been during his career. .

And it's the simple truth that a PG is the crux of it. Especially given how a PG would be the single most vital thing in repairing and building up the dynamic between Melo and STAT on offense.

Wow, the 1st part we'll get to later. But here you go again, so a PG is the crux huh? I guess the dominate type?

How exactly will that overcome the self-defeating qualities of playing like this? Oh' I get it, this PG will be so dominate regardless and be able to make better decisions even though he's being told something else. :shrug:

Or is it that regardless of what he is told, he'll dominate? Either way that's a poor generalization, the odds of which given our cap are highly unlikely anyway.

Proceeding...

Yes, we could do a total overhaul and implement from ground up some half-court, set-play based system.

No we can't. We can't because this is beyond our coaches capabilities, so again no we can't.

But you're fooling yourself if you think Amare will thrive like that like you want him to thrive. Same for Fields. And same for the ability for Amare and Melo to co-exist powerfully together.

2/3 are extremely vital things. The ability for us to contend and every win a title depends upon it.

I think it was expected for Amare to play like a franchise player. Considering the outcome, he didn't. Had that been in victory your argument would have validity, but since that's not the case, how exactly is expecting a franchise $100 million dollar player to look like one fooling your self?

What you see as MDA being stubborn is him not bending what he knows to be a winning formula, to lock down something that isn't as optimal just so we can look a bit better and more logical on the court in the short-term.

We are getting a PG in Baron soon. And regardless, we will be getting a PG in the off season by some combo of trade and the MLE.

So is it we don't have the personnel (factually) or is it MOA being stubborn? And basically you said playing in a more traditional fashion was antiquated yesterday. I think you've thrown out so many excuses, you're confused.

We have a top 10 NBA defense right now. And it will get better as the team gels, and players like Shumpert improve. AND if Amare shows the improved IQ and willingness he showed tonight.

MDA had us as the 5th best offense in the NBA last year. And that was without Melo. And it was our 1st year playing as a legit team with some talent.

If you don't think MDA can't get us back to being at a BARE MINIMUM top 5 offense in the NBA, you're just resistant to and hating the man's style.

Yes we hate the style. We hate the style that's so evidently self defeating and counterproductive. Top 10 in defense is negated with high turnovers and high volume of low percentage shots. Isn't that how we got to being very sub-.500? :pimp:
 
Dude.. picks are set for our guards umpteen times throughout these games.

I mean seriously wtf are you watching Kiya.. feck.

And if anyone at this point thinks the lack of solid point play isn't hurting the team.. idk.. i feel for you.

Open your eyes people. Lack of adequate PG play is our BIGGEST weakness!

I gotta wholeheartedly disagree. Ron. Our biggest weakness is we get minimal baskets at the rim. I really would love to watch a game with you and point out what the offense looks like. I dont understand how you miss this huge fact. Will Davis make us better? Absolutely. If healthy. BUT. When any team plays offense the way we do you have to have knock down, no doubt about it shooters. You need at least two of these guys on the court at all times.

I've watched this team very closely this year. Unless we start shooting 3's at close to a 40% clip the rest of the way BDiddy wont save us.

Do you realize we shot more 3's than 2 point baskets tonight? Even dumb basketball players would rather you take long jump shots all game long. They're hard to make consistently enough to win.

It may have happened, but I dont remember us getting another teams key player in foul trouble all season. This is a strategy that cant be used because of they way we play.

This offense sukks dude. When Davis gets back maybe you'll finally realize what everyone is trying to tell you...
 
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