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    I don't understand the sharpness in context with Melo, what has he done that you guys are so angry at him?

    Stoudemire on the other hand has acted like a complete fool, apart from 4 months of good basketball. It's obvious that he only signed for the $100 million and he's more busy with his off-court stuff than playing the actual game. No dedication, no sacrifice.

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    He's taking a couple of sick days, so what. He's a head case now anyway, no confidence in his shot or game, we might actually get something out of this if the idiot coach takes his minutes and gives it to Lin and Novak. If coach doesn't play the new guys, hopefully Walker, Bibby can fill the void.

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    Originally Posted by joegti10
    Big game against the Heat and Melo is taking the night off. Trade this guy out of here.
    he just doesn't want to lose on national television..... this is getting worse and worse guys .... idk the Knicks need someone smarter in that building man. Dolan seems like the type of guy who is smart enough to know he is stupid and resents anyone smarter than him outshining him. A smarter person would of sat Melo out especially after that 1 point game victory let him heal and then have him be redy for the national game and even more importantly the return of Baron Davis. No one thought of this though in that entire organization. A player is taking himself out of the game due to injuries not the coaching staff who is riding him like a horse or the management that is paying for all of it.

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    I honestly think Melo's been too hurt to play for awhile now and his publicist probably told him that it's not a good idea to go out and play against the Heat on national TV tonight when he's not at his best. Too many people will judge him as a failure if he doesn't perform, and his reputation is important to him. I don't blame him.

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    So it appears Melo has pulled himself out of the next two games due to his poor performance and needing rest for his injuries

    By why these two and not Charlotte and Clev. ?

    In all actuallity he shouldve rested for 3 games starting with Denver, yet I get it why he wanted to be out there against Denver and we did need him

    But why not Charlotte and The Cavs? We showed that we wouldve won without him against the Bobcats and showed we would have lost with or without him against The Cavs (because no one could keep Anderson Varrejo off the boards) but now the choice by him and the coaching staff is to sit him out?

    This creates a lose lose for him,because it is likely that we lose both in which case he is blamed by some (like me) for sitting out the wrong 2 games, or imagine if we win both without him, then you will have people in the media and posters all over the net claiming we "better without him"

    I know you don't coach and decide to rest yourself based on public perception....fine, but what kind of affect does it have on the locker room when your best player and team capo decides to sit out the most difficult and right now the most important game of the season?

    Poor choice top to bottom!!!!
    I agree, knicks have no answer and its like they are trying to avoid the truth....that Mike D experiment has failed and playing Toney Douglas just ruins any change of winning.

    Melo should of sat against the bad teams. To not play against the Heat surprised me, especially how Melo is a competitor.

    Lost a little respect for Melo on this one.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    I agree, knicks have no answer and its like they are trying to avoid the truth....that Mike D experiment has failed and playing Toney Douglas just ruins any change of winning.

    Melo should of sat against the bad teams. To not play against the Heat surprised me, especially how Melo is a competitor.

    Lost a little respect for Melo on this one.
    I didn't you know why, we had "ball movement" hit 18 3's and lost so I know he isn't the problem

    I called after the Charlotte game, ball movement, Melo not stopping the ball, blah blah blah......he did what I said he would do either play the same way vs Miami how he did vs Charlotte or sit out and see how the team played and look

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    didn't you know why, we had "ball movement" hit 18 3's and lost so I know he isn't the problem

    yes we had ball movement but little player movement, and none of our guys can break down a defense aside from melo. Shumpert is still young, Amar'e gets blocked or called for offensive fouls 90% of the time, against the good teams...Honestly TD broke it down 1-2x today, but the Heat play incredible D. Especially when they want to (like tonight)

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    I didn't you know why, we had "ball movement" hit 18 3's and lost so I know he isn't the problem

    I called after the Charlotte game, ball movement, Melo not stopping the ball, blah blah blah......he did what I said he would do either play the same way vs Miami how he did vs Charlotte or sit out and see how the team played and look
    we did NOT have ball movement....we got extremely lucky and hit some hard 3 point shots....Bil Walker had atelast 3 of them were he was leaning and made it in which is impossible....he was just on fire.

    This game reminds me of the game against the Bulls last season when we went into Chicago and hit a million threes and torched them.

    Games like these don't matter because 9 times out of 10 we don't hit the 3's so having a game like this just makes us chuck more the next game.

    We had 19 turnovers and you said we had ball movement??? please bro

    As long as Douglas plays PG we will never have any ball movement. He is terrible and Im sick of him not driving to the basket consistently and atelast try to break down a defense. He is one of the fastest players in the league, yet he never uses his speed to his strength. Another time when Mike D doesn't use a players strength.

    Amare got the ball i think one time on a pick and roll. We never took advantage of having Tyson Chandler in the paint against a team with no legit Center.

    Mike D is the worst.

    Our team could have easily been blown out by 30. Take Bill Walker out of the game and we get crushed, this was not ball movement.

    It was pure luck from hitting a million threes.

    We shot 43 of them! That is not good offense and ball movement, atleast from my eyes on my tv watching the entire game was still stagnant MANY times.

    I don't see the positive "moral" loss to this one.

    we should have won because we were so hot from downtown and STILL LOST, we suck.

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    Melo is a man in his PRIME questioning his ROLE and his ABILITY.

    Not good signs.

    I say, take a risk and put the man in limited minutes as a Point Forward, like when McGrady arrived. Give 'Melo a chance to find out what this team is really about from the position we need the most help in. Not saying he should be calling plays, but it forces Melo to look for other players, and I hope it frees up the 4/5 to do more (score or kick out).

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    Originally Posted by pakopako
    Melo is a man in his PRIME questioning his ROLE and his ABILITY.

    Not good signs.

    I say, take a risk and put the man in limited minutes as a Point Forward, like when McGrady arrived. Give 'Melo a chance to find out what this team is really about from the position we need the most help in.
    D'antoni making him play point forward is why he is questioning himself. His whole career was score....

    Iso then Shoot a pull up 2 in the perimeter = Score
    Post up on a weaker defender to do a turn away shot = Score
    shoot a 3 in transition = Score
    Iso to do a quick step = Score
    Wait by the Base line to catch the ball and drive to the hoop = Score

    Then he comes to the knicks and its

    Create for others..... And shoot outside the perimeter from ISO..... and Greenlit shots from everywhere..... Also don't worry about Posting up even though that is one of your strengths.

    Melo is more injured from trying to run around screen on the perimeter trying to get an open shot than he was in Denver from posting up on weaker (90% of SF are weaker than him). That whole fiasco picture of the 3 defenders on him is because D'antoni is still trying to turn him into a point forward.

    Thats the problem I will keep saying it either the knicks find a PG to feed Melo in his sweet spots or they need a system that helps Melo get open by him knowing where to go without the ball to get open.

    Basketball is simple. Also Point forward is hurting Melos scoring ability. All it does is zero every opposing defender on him since half the time he brings it up he is going to go for the points himself. He needs just play SF and score.

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    Melo should be averaging 30 this year but he isn't being put in the best scoring opportunities. Everyone is asking him to be a role player that isn't his game. He's getting **** on for having a killer instinct and scorer's mentality. Kevin Durant is the same player but gets all the respect in the world because he gets set up properly. Get Melo a Point Guard or better coach and see a huge difference

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    Originally Posted by Wargames
    D'antoni making him play point forward is why he is questioning himself. His whole career was score....

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    Melo is more injured from trying to run around screen on the perimeter trying to get an open shot than he was in Denver from posting up on weaker (90% of SF are weaker than him). That whole fiasco picture of the 3 defenders on him is because D'antoni is still trying to turn him into a point forward.

    Thats the problem I will keep saying it either the knicks find a PG to feed Melo in his sweet spots or they need a system that helps Melo get open by him knowing where to go without the ball to get open.
    The fiasco of opponent teams focusing on 'Melo is that we don't have / can't find a PG to feed 'Melo (or Stat or Chandler for that matter) and, by default, 'Melo becomes the PG.

    I'm not disagreeing with you -- the Knicks need to either forge a PG out of its existing players (Lin, Bibby?) or snatch one from somewhere else, but as it stands, 'Melo has the best court-vision on the floor which means he CAN'T be focusing scoring. (I agree, it sounds dumb, but it's the fastest viable option.)

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    So much fun to watch...

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    So much fun to watch...

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    Felton made Stoudemire in New York, quote me on that any day!

    Yes we were fun to watch and I really enjoyed that team, but I think the guys who were traded like Felton, Gallo and especially Wilson Chandler get way too little credit. All I hear is "Amar'e brought the Knicks back...bla bla" That's totally untrue. He was one of 6-7 major guys responsible for our 'success' last year. People underestimate Felton and Chandler, they were both huge for us.

    Amar'e can't play without a good point guard, Felton is still doing very well in Portland just for a little comparison.

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    Felton made Stoudemire in New York, quote me on that any day!

    Yes we were fun to watch and I really enjoyed that team, but I think the guys who were traded like Felton, Gallo and especially Wilson Chandler get way too little credit. All I hear is "Amar'e brought the Knicks back...bla bla" That's totally untrue. He was one of 6-7 major guys responsible for our 'success' last year. People underestimate Felton and Chandler, they were both huge for us.

    Amar'e can't play without a good point guard, Felton is still doing very well in Portland just for a little comparison.
    Felton didn't make STAT, it was mutual. Do you see how Felton is playing without STAT right now? He's just another average point guard. He's not doing "very well". He's went from being an all star PG to just another player on a deep team.

    Your right about one thing though. STAT NEEDS a point guard who can execute the pick and roll and create shots (easy shots) for him. So yes your right about that. When you look it at that way, it makes you feel like we overpaid him loads.

    But if we give STAT that point guard, a guy who can make his life easier, than STAT becomes an elite PF again, and starts earning his money. Can Davis be that guy? Let's hope so....If not, STAT is going to struggle unless we bring in Nash next year, and we'll continue to look like an ugly a** offense.

    I totally understand your frustration with him. But lets not give up on him just yet. Let's see how well he plays with Davis. Hopefully they can both make each other better like STAT/Felton did.

    And on a side note, I'm just curious as to what STAT's been doing in the offseason that upset you? I honestly don't know what he did.

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