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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Its not about last year.

    This year Stat is showing that physically he's not a dominating presence, he doesn't get up as high as he use to and isn't explosive in the paint. The injuries have finally weighed down upon him, and he's hitting 30 years old, he will only get slower and weaker as he reaches the end of his career. We've seen Amare's prime pass away and thats a problem. He's now a contract burden instead of trade value.

    His crossover always fails and his shots get easily contested. Amare isn't athletic anymore and his jumper is streaky. At this point Amare is Kurt Thomas without the defense and toughness. He's very overpaid and if you can't see that as a problem then you're a blind sheep.
    Every player gets old and slows down but it's way too early to make that assessment. There are too many factors that you're not considering or at least identifying in your post. Factors like the point guard void, which is major. Stats has been successful largely due to playing along side Steve Nash. He saw that success continue (slightly) with Felton and Billups. Do you think it's a coincidence that he's been less efficient without a true contributor on the floor? The last few games aside, D'Antoni's got these guys jacking up threes and when Stats does get the ball it's usually not when he's in the paint. By that time the defense has plenty of time to set up.

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    Every player gets old and slows down but it's way too early to make that assessment. There are too many factors that you're not considering or at least identifying in your post. Factors like the point guard void, which is major. Stats has been successful largely due to playing along side Steve Nash. He saw that success continue (slightly) with Felton and Billups. Do you think it's a coincidence that he's been less efficient without a true contributor on the floor? The last few games aside, D'Antoni's got these guys jacking up threes and when Stats does get the ball it's usually not when he's in the paint. By that time the defense has plenty of time to set up.
    Its not every player and Stat is only 29 he has slowed down tremendously to the point he's not athletic or a threat in the pain. He's not strong and doesn't move fluidly.

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    did no one watch the bulls game? when players were playing the pick and roll with amare look where it got him stat starts the game with a starting rookie shooting guard playing the point then starts the second with TD....T effing D. wheres the point guard play to get him the ball in the paint... tyson chandler gets alot of his points through lobs but amare isnt playing center anymore he cant be the guy catching it underneath thats now tysons job he needs someone to run the p and r with him on a nightly basis hopefully d;antoni let lin practice that with chandler and amare in practice cause looking at the nets game lin runs the pick and roll effectively

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    We need to trade him ASAP!

    He's holding the team back big time with his lackluster play!

    Him and Melo are cancers to our success.

    No surprise we've played our best game of the season, best game in years with both of these con artists out.

    Getting rid of Stoudemire would be the best day in recent Knicks history.

    Try to acquire a Kevin Love and we're good to go.

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    Bro, you're the most negative user on this board now... seriously, you used to write meaningful posts and right now you're just spreading hate on everyone within the Knicks organization. You've become pre Lin Knicks of this forum - unwatchable/unreadable.

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    We need to trade him ASAP!

    He's holding the team back big time with his lackluster play!

    Him and Melo are cancers to our success.

    No surprise we've played our best game of the season, best game in years with both of these con artists out.

    Getting rid of Stoudemire would be the best day in recent Knicks history.

    Try to acquire a Kevin Love and we're good to go.
    There is no way in hell we get Kevin Love and there is no "a Kevin Love". He's pretty much one of a kind in this league right now.

    We are not gonna get rid of Melo or Amare, Amare is always gonna be a matador defender but if he at least puts the effort in that will be enough more times than not. Have we seen that effort much lately? Hell no but I'm glad our stars are getting plenty of rest right now.

    Hopefully in practice they are gelling up with Lin now I can't wait to see what the Knicks will look like when our offense finally has some cohesion to it. I don't think Lin is our saviour but as a 20-25mpg PG he seems solid, he just needs to learn to shoot a jumper.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Its not about last year.

    This year Stat is showing that physically he's not a dominating presence, he doesn't get up as high as he use to and isn't explosive in the paint. The injuries have finally weighed down upon him, and he's hitting 30 years old, he will only get slower and weaker as he reaches the end of his career. We've seen Amare's prime pass away and thats a problem. He's now a contract burden instead of trade value.

    His crossover always fails and his shots get easily contested. Amare isn't athletic anymore and his jumper is streaky. At this point Amare is Kurt Thomas without the defense and toughness. He's very overpaid and if you can't see that as a problem then you're a blind sheep.

    This goes a little too far. He's not quite at KT level shabiness yet. Slow down.

    I agree w the premise of the thread and I think Amare has lost 1/2 a step, some due to weight/muscle gain, some to due to age. I said a week or so ago that I'd like to deal him if possible, as I'd love for this team to be out from under his hefty contract.

    But I think he's been affected negatively by having Melo jack up 25-30 shots a night and not having a true point to get him the rock.

    To say he's like Kurt Thomas.... no not close. He's still pretty athletic. He's just not able to overpower guys as easily as in the past.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    This goes a little too far. He's not quite at KT level shabiness yet. Slow down.

    I agree w the premise of the thread and I think Amare has lost 1/2 a step, some due to weight/muscle gain, some to due to age. I said a week or so ago that I'd like to deal him if possible, as I'd love for this team to be out from under his hefty contract.

    But I think he's been affected negatively by having Melo jack up 25-30 shots a night and not having a true point to get him the rock.

    To say he's like Kurt Thomas.... no not close. He's still pretty athletic. He's just not able to overpower guys as easily as in the past.

    Every time he'S been out we've been a better defensive team, better rebounding team and better hustling team, not to mention that we were more joyable to watch.

    What do we pay him $20 million a year for?

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Its not about last year.

    This year Stat is showing that physically he's not a dominating presence, he doesn't get up as high as he use to and isn't explosive in the paint. The injuries have finally weighed down upon him, and he's hitting 30 years old, he will only get slower and weaker as he reaches the end of his career. We've seen Amare's prime pass away and thats a problem. He's now a contract burden instead of trade value.

    His crossover always fails and his shots get easily contested. Amare isn't athletic anymore and his jumper is streaky. At this point Amare is Kurt Thomas without the defense and toughness. He's very overpaid and if you can't see that as a problem then you're a blind sheep.
    WIth Lin, amare should play much better. Plus as I previously said, Amare wasn't being used right and our coach doesn't get on his star players and never yells at them for stupididty so how do you expect AMare to suddenly change his game?

    Amare started off the year throwing up three point shots. He stopped attacking the hoop and getting the ball down low. He stopped being aggressive on offensive rebounds like he was against the Pistons when the KNicks first beat them by 30 points.

    During that game Amare was flying towards the hoop to get offensive rebounds and became a force.

    This is coaching Metro. You need atleast 2 players to consistently go for the offensive rebound. THe problem is MIke D's system is to put up a shot, then runback quickly to defend against the fast break. Most of the time our whole team is back before anyone even thinks about going for an offensive rebound. Thank god we have Tyson Chandler, and Jeffries are the only ones going for offensive rebounds because it's their game. AMare has to adjust his game, the coach has to help him do this and point it out that he has to be aggressive on the boards.

    Once Lin starts feeding Amare, creating space, Amare will throw it down more and gain confidence. THen his outside shot will be more consistent since guys will be guarding Amare loosely since they are worried about the pick and roll. BUt AMare has to drive more when he runs that iso play.

    AMare has to be coached.

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    Amare hasn't shown me any signs that he's athletic. He's been extremely robotic and stiff this season.

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    Honestly i think kurt Thomas is better then Amare at this point. Atari's old and washed up, the only player i can think of thats aged worse then him is Greg Oden. Last year proved hes no longer durable enough to even hold up for a full season. Shortly before we got Melo Amare became Asofte Stoudemire. This year, we've seen him intentionally get himself into foul trouble so he can get extra rest. This guys a disgrace to the game of basketball, its time to waive him

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    One way or another, Atari's done once Jorts gets back. Harrelson was about to take Amarknee's starting job right before he got hurt.

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    Originally Posted by KingStarbury3
    Honestly i think kurt Thomas is better then Amare at this point. Atari's old and washed up, the only player i can think of thats aged worse then him is Greg Oden. Last year proved hes no longer durable enough to even hold up for a full season. Shortly before we got Melo Amare became Asofte Stoudemire. This year, we've seen him intentionally get himself into foul trouble so he can get extra rest. This guys a disgrace to the game of basketball, its time to waive him

    *EDIT*

    One way or another, Atari's done once Jorts gets back. Harrelson was about to take Amarknee's starting job right before he got hurt.
    I always look forward to a Starbury post. And they always deliver.

    Allow me to splash you some overdo green. :smoke:

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    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    I always look forward to a Starbury post. And they always deliver.

    Allow me to splash you some overdo green. :smoke:
    Right back at u fam i gotta admit i was laughing myself at that post. Its kinda true though...wheres quiggle at? Im sure hes got some things to say about the Renaissance Man

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    Originally Posted by KingStarbury3
    Right back at u fam i gotta admit i was laughing myself at that post. Its kinda true though...wheres quiggle at? Im sure hes got some things to say about the Renaissance Man
    We are playing well against good teams and winning against bad teams, his brand of negativity isn't relevant right now.

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