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    Originally Posted by pat
    I told you. He handed the keys to the franchise to Melo. He was against bringing back Lin -- hence the public statement -- because Lin might take away some of the limelight. Therefore Lin will not come back. It's as easy as that: Birds of a feather flock together and Dolan, Smith and Melo do not understand basketball IQ. Therefore Lin and Fields are gone. A very sad day indeed.
    Do you have anything substantial that would lead you to form that opinion?

    Why would Melo be against Lin? He was the one who gave him the starting job.

    As for Dolan, he is a ****ing idiot. As long as he is the owner, NYK will not sniff rings.

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    Originally Posted by CoolClyde
    if Lin has a good year and makes the all-star team, would you kindly leave the forum?
    please stop the Lin-bashing already.

    everyone said he wouldn't play in the first round of playoffs, so why are you harping on him not playing?
    Noooo, the All-Star team is a popularity contest so if Jeremy stays healthy he will make the All-Star team so every person of Asian decent(PC enough???) with a TV in the civilized world will tune in. David Stern is a marketing wizard and is not stupid. But if Jeremy leads the Rockets to the playoffs, I will more and gladly leave KO.COM. I know that would make you and Crazy'8 happy because neither of you respect opionions that differ from your own.

    And I am harping on Jeremy for skipping the PLAYOFFS because he was needed. This is the KNICKS people. What is the iconic shot for our franchise??? Willis Reed coming out of the tunnel limping because of a broken leg to play for our squad in a championship series. Jeremy had a slight knee tweak. He should have been availible for the playoffs. If Lin was as serious about competition and KNICKS pride as he is about $$$$ he would have played in that series against MIAMI. It was the dreaded HEAT. National stage. His chance to prove in front of a national audience he was not a fluke. The chance to play against the best. Help lead our boys to victory. Shump went down and we needed Linsanity. WILD HORSES shouldn't have been able to keep LINSANITY off the court. But he choose to sit on the BENCH and wait for a contract. Then tried to hold the KNICKS hostage by signing to offer sheets with the Rockets. You know those guys we lost to in 94'. I have no more use for Jeremy Lin. Happy trails(like I tried to tell yall would happen)

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    Originally Posted by VeryGundy
    Do you have anything substantial that would lead you to form that opinion?

    Why would Melo be against Lin? He was the one who gave him the starting job.

    As for Dolan, he is a ****ing idiot. As long as he is the owner, NYK will not sniff rings.
    I agree with the guy, I think Melo resents Lin and he wasn't exactly going to push for his return. It would be even worse though to publicly state that so Melo just kept quiet more or less through all this, except when he couldn't help himself and called the Rockets offer ridiculous

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    Man, GordonGecko, that SI article you posted is depressing. I knew he wanted NY all along...

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    This is a disaster. No two ways about it. This is absolutely the worst thing the Knicks have done player wise since trading Clyde to Cleveland for Butch Beard. I'm still shocked Dolan had the nuts to do this. I'm a Knick fan for life, but if these moves dont jettison us to the conference finals I'm done. Lin could not play another NBA game and I'd still be done.

    Moves like this make the organization look stupid. The kid is 23 and should have been a Knick for life.

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    Lin did not go back to Houston...Houston changed the offer after Mike Woodson went public and said that Jeremy Lin would absolutely be the starting PG...Lin had no choice, he's a 23 year old starting PG and there was no other offer on the table, it's not like the Knicks gave him one, or anything.

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    Who's here is not going to take the extra money?

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    Originally Posted by GordonGecko
    I agree with the guy, I think Melo resents Lin and he wasn't exactly going to push for his return. It would be even worse though to publicly state that so Melo just kept quiet more or less through all this, except when he couldn't help himself and called the Rockets offer ridiculous
    I don't know why Melo would hate Lin. It's not he is the one paying Lin 25 mil. Melo wants people to respect him and he is getting all that from Lin who happens to be the most humble guy on last year's team.

    For the conspiracy-minded posters, I almost think that the FO orchestrated this dramatic last hour decision. Melo was just their mouthpiece.

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    The Knicks didn’t match Jeremy Lin’s offer sheet because owner James Dolan felt ‘betrayed,’ ‘deceived,’ according to report



    The decision was both financial and emotional since Garden chairman James Dolan was upset over Lin restructuring his deal with Houston last week to include a third year salary of $14.9 million. Dolan, according to sources, felt he was deceived by the 23-year-old Lin.
    "Much love and thankfulness to the Knicks and New York for your support this past year," Lin said on Twitter. "Easily the best year of my life. #ForeverGrateful."
    Of course, team officials privately felt that Lin's actions over the past few weeks were anything but grateful. They were upset that he hired a publicist without their consent and were livid that the second-year point guard out of Harvard went back to the Rockets for more money. [...]
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    Originally Posted by Crazy⑧s
    WTF am I supposed to do with my Linsanity video now!? Took me almost 6 hours to do that.

    god f*cking damn it!

    nice video bro, i hope u do this for a living....

    Your video made me even more sad that Lin is gone and would could have been this upcoming season....smh.

    Let's hope our PG's do the job.

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    He might be gone but I think this deserves it's own thread. Clears up some of the misconceptions about the playoffs, how the Knicks said goodbye, Dolan speaking to him etc.

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    At 11 p.m. EST on Tuesday night, one hour before the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] needed to decide whether to match the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]' three-year, $25.1 million contract offer to keep [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], the point guard's cellphone rang at his parents' home in Palo Alto, Calif. The call was from New York general manager Glen Grunwald and the conversation lasted no more than 30 seconds. Grunwald's message, Lin told SI.com, was simple and direct: "We wanted to keep you, but it couldn't work out. Tell your family I say hello, and good luck the rest of the way."
    That was it. One of the more intriguing and publicly debated personnel decisions in NBA history ended in half a minute. No questions were asked, no pointed comments were uttered and no animated feelings were expressed. Lin, the undrafted 23 year old who rose to global stardom in his first 25 starts after being cut twice, politely told Grunwald, "I just want to thank you. Best of luck in the future."
    Late Tuesday night, in his inaugural hour as a Rocket, Lin opened up to SI.com about how the most popular basketball player in New York City ended up in Houston, where he'll have his official team physical on Wednesday. He spoke about how Knicks management -- which had spoken to him and his representatives only once this month before that call from Grunwald -- finally let him go.
    "Honestly, I preferred New York," Lin said. "But my main goal in free agency was to go to a team that had plans for me and wanted me. I wanted to have fun playing basketball. ... Now I'm definitely relieved."
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    The process began in late June, when Knicks coach Mike Woodson, who was in Los Angeles visiting [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], contacted Lin to arrange a meeting to discuss his future. When Woodson said that his schedule prevented him from coming to Palo Alto, Lin -- who has been living with his parents this summer -- wound up flying to L.A. That night, over dinner at Mastro's Steakhouse in Beverly Hills, the guard was sold. "Woodson was saying, 'You're going to be a starter, you're going to be a big part of the team,'" Lin said. "I came away really excited."


    But the next week, on July 1, the first day of the NBA's free agency period, the Knicks informed Lin and his agents, Jim Tanner and Roger Montgomery, that while the team had interest in bringing Lin back, they were also going to court other point guards to join him. The names of four candidates were provided. Three of them were veteran free agents, all age 36 or older: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. The fourth was former Knick [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], 28, who played for the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] last season.
    The Knicks would not make a formal offer to Lin -- not then, or, ultimately, ever -- instead opting to steer him toward the open market so he could assess his own price. Serious conversations with three teams other than the Knicks began. Only Houston, which had already cut the Harvard economics major last December, warranted a visit, on July 4. "The Rockets kept saying how sorry they were that that they'd cut him, and how much of a mistake it was," Tanner said. "They almost said it too many times. They kept acknowledging it."
    Lin left Houston impressed by the effort and the enthusiasm. A backloaded first offer, as widely reported, came to him at four years -- with the fourth as a team option -- and $28.8 million. As news of the offer broke (and Lin's camp says they did not communicate anything to the Knicks before an offer sheet was actually signed), Woodson publicly declared that Lin would "absolutely" be back. But not long after that, the Rockets came back with a revised offer: three years for $25.1 million, with the money rising from $5 million in the first season, to $5.225 million in the second, to $14.898 million in the third. (The relatively low values of the first two annual salaries are as mandated by the Collective Bargaining Agreement's "[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]" provision.)
    By this point, Lin had no real idea what the Knicks would do. But there also wasn't much choice: He had all of one offer sheet in front of him to consider.



    While surfing the Internet last Sunday, Lin read that Felton was reportedly en route to the Knicks from Portland via a sign-and-trade. Earlier this month, New York had already signed Kidd; now, Lin saw the writing on the wall, along with everybody else. "Felton's signing was the first time when I thought, 'Oh, wow, I might not be a Knick,'" Lin said.
    The next time he heard from an executive in the organization, it was to tell him the Knicks were letting him go.
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    The last time Lin talked to Knicks owner James Dolan was right before Game 5 of the first round of the Eastern Conference playoffs, when New York was down, 3-1, to eventual NBA champion Miami. Lin, who had suffered a meniscus tear in his left knee, had been ruled out for the remainder of the regular season and had already missed the first four games of this playoff series. Now Dolan, with point guard [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] also injured, wondered about Lin's availability. But the matter had already been settled. "Every single vet on our team that has been in the league longer than five years pulled me aside and told me that I shouldn't play," Lin said. "And I had arguments with them about why I should."
    Dolan -- who didn't talk to Lin often but had generally been "really nice to me" -- wound up expressing support. "I have plans for you in the future," Lin recalled the owner saying. "This is a long-term investment. Don't rush back."


    At the time, Lin says, he had been sleepingwith an ice machine on every night and waking up early to restart it. He couldn't even touch the rim, much less defend. But the morning of Game 5, when asked about his status, he had publicly diagnosed himself at "85 percent" -- a comment he says has since been misunderstood. Lin was not 85 percent healthy, he says, but rather 15 percent away from the absolute minimum threshold to play. "People think it was easy for me to sit there and watch us lose, like I had nothing to do with the season," Lin said. "I was dying to play. I didn't miss a game due to injury in seven years until this past season, and people are acting like I wouldn't want to play in the playoffs? Of the NBA? In my first season?"
    He is happy with his new employer, but less so about the misconceptions that others may now harbor. The notion that Lin has always cared about money above all else, in particular, eats away at him, especially as he sleeps in his childhood home.
    "If I really wanted to, I could have triple-digit endorsements," Lin pointed out, but he does not. Instead, and in large part because Lin wanted to concentrate on basketball, he declined to cash in on the Linsanity gold-rush -- namely, the mountain of business opportunities in Asia -- and picked only three companies: Volvo, Steiner Sports and Nike.
    "A year ago, I was just trying to stay alive and fight day by day, just to be on a roster," said Lin, who famously slept on couches upon his arrival in New York. "What I have now is way more than I ever would have dreamed of, and way more than I need."
    What he doesn't have, though -- and what he deeply misses about those magical two months, back when he was atop the sports world -- is something that can't be bought, and likely can't be replicated elsewhere, again.
    "I love the New York fans to death," Lin said. "That's the biggest reason why I wanted to return to New York. The way they embraced me, the way they supported us this past season, was better than anything I've ever seen or experienced. I'll go to my grave saying that. What New York did for me was unbelievable. I wanted to play in front of those fans for the rest of my career."

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    I'm sure time will tell all on this but I'm confident that Raymond Felton is a better player and fit then Lin would have been.

    Along with the savy Champion JKidd on the squad I feel pretty damn good about our PG position. The SG might be a bit more touch and go, but largely I feel good about our starting 5 options and our depth.

    Felton
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    Tyson

    with JR, Camby, Novak, & KT all being good players in their own right who can come in and immediately be impact players. Then there's Shump who, if healthy, could be a MAJOR piece of the puzzle. Then with some potential in Copeland and White, who have shown some flashes in the summer league I feel pretty good about this team.

    This is a championship quality team with experienced players who have a level of chemistry and basketball IQ that is off the charts and massive defensive and offensive potential. This is a Mike Woodson team and LIGHTYEARS beyond what he had in Atlanta or last year in NYC.

    JLin will be an after thought in NYK history. More akin to Nate Robinson then anything else.

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Noooo, the All-Star team is a popularity contest so if Jeremy stays healthy he will make the All-Star team so every person of Asian decent(PC enough???) with a TV in the civilized world will tune in. David Stern is a marketing wizard and is not stupid. But if Jeremy leads the Rockets to the playoffs, I will more and gladly leave KO.COM. I know that would make you and Crazy'8 happy because neither of you respect opionions that differ from your own.

    And I am harping on Jeremy for skipping the PLAYOFFS because he was needed. This is the KNICKS people. What is the iconic shot for our franchise??? Willis Reed coming out of the tunnel limping because of a broken leg to play for our squad in a championship series. Jeremy had a slight knee tweak. He should have been availible for the playoffs. If Lin was as serious about competition and KNICKS pride as he is about $$$$ he would have played in that series against MIAMI. It was the dreaded HEAT. National stage. His chance to prove in front of a national audience he was not a fluke. The chance to play against the best. Help lead our boys to victory. Shump went down and we needed Linsanity. WILD HORSES shouldn't have been able to keep LINSANITY off the court. But he choose to sit on the BENCH and wait for a contract. Then tried to hold the KNICKS hostage by signing to offer sheets with the Rockets. You know those guys we lost to in 94'. I have no more use for Jeremy Lin. Happy trails(like I tried to tell yall would happen)

    yeah, you're right the all-star game is a popularity contest, i take it back.
    OK, if he leads Houston to playoffs, you take a hike. I don't agree that Crazy 8's
    and I don't respect other's opinions, we just have strong opinions spoken in moderation.
    btw, Asian "descent", not decent. you're really not PC at all.

    keep harping on he "should've" been in the playoffs, see the above Gordy post for what Lin
    had to say about that. i'm tired of being "should" upon.

    Originally Posted by GordonGecko
    The Knicks didn’t match Jeremy Lin’s offer sheet because owner James Dolan felt ‘betrayed,’ ‘deceived,’ according to report

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    good article and what I figured all along. you don't mess around with Jim...
    he's an immature baby man, an emotional d*ckhead, with no basketball sense,
    putting his feelings ahead of what's good for the team. a$$hole.
    i really hope he dies this year of a heart attack.


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    Originally Posted by GordonGecko
    The Knicks didn’t match Jeremy Lin’s offer sheet because owner James Dolan felt ‘betrayed,’ ‘deceived,’ according to report





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    This is bull**** right here. These "reporters" write articles about the so called 4 year 28 million deal. Then, when it turns out this is not the actual deal that is to be delivered to Knicks managment, rather than admit that they got the story wrong, these guys say Lin double crossed management! Agents renegotiate deals all the time. And by the looks of it, Frank Isola, yahoo sports, and everyone else got played by the Lin camp. One great way to negotiate for a better deal is to leak the press on the original terms and demonstrate that it will be matched. Until it has been delivered to the Knicks to match, it is not official. The deal had never actually been delivered to NY. This is a BS controversy created by people who can't admit that they got played and want to pretend like they have some inside information. I'm so fed up with these "reports" and "insiders". These are the same people who make it seem like there was some Melo/Lin feud this past season, when we later found out that it was Melo who pushed for Lin in the NJ game. The article does a great job at the end to call Isola out for his BS.
    The bottom line is Dolan didn't want to pay. Anything else is BS.
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    Originally Posted by GordonGecko
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    S**t, I just started a thread for this, I posted the whole article. You beat me with Becks NY Times story by 7 minutes yesterday as well.

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