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    Originally Posted by Crazy⑧s
    He got an infraction for being a provocative, racist person. Doesn't mean sh!t really, but Jim will no doubt cry hate crime.
    So Red using the N**** word in his post isn't "racist"???? BTW, I ain't the one crying. It's you LIN lover's crying. Need a tissue(or is that too provocative)?

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    This is an open forum being viewed by everyone.
    Hence the infraction for blatant, unnecessary racism, Jim. If you could refrain from doing that as you were asked, nicely I might add, you wouldn't be maligned or penalized for it.

    Has nothing to do with abusing power, because infractions are less than a slap on the wrist, really. Deterring others from this site with unacceptable racism goes against the premise of the site itself. I'm sure that must make some semblance of sense to you. Now that Lin's gone we'll have to see what sort of acrobatic provocation you can pull to get back off topic.

    Name calling isn't worth moderating. Racism is. It's a pimple on the face of this earth and should be discouraged. The question is, why are you so obsessed with it, and why have you had to go so far as to bring up old back and forth posts based on racism, that you yourself were the instigator of?

    The whole fat and lazy comment. Ridiculous, unfounded, provocative, pointless.

    Don't put words in people's mouths, twist the meaning and then go on a rant about unjust racism. That's what YouTube is for.

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Whatever dude you and Crazy 8's are both pissed at me from the thread rady locked up. Maybe two of us told y'all the KNICKS should walk LIn because it made no sense to keep him for that money. Now that it happened, you are even more pissed so you are now abusing your little new found power. Sucks to be wrong don't it???? Now you call me names and when I call you on it's like:"oh I was talking about the other jim, btw your stupid". Whatever. This is an open forum being viewed by everyone.
    you're right because the idiot owner did what you thought should be done?
    two stupid Jims don't make a right.

    check out my post and tell me how I'm dissing you and not Jim Dolan
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    i don't know what thread you're talking about being locked up and I don't care, and I don't know WTF you mean by abusing new found power. you're one of the first people i've ever had a problem with on this forum, but you just continue to pour salt into the new wounds of losing Lin. "I told you so, I win, blah blah woof woof". i'm sure most KO posters would agree, you're an immature pseudo-racist douchebag.

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    Originally Posted by Ghostowl
    To all those who think Lin didn't want to play for the Knicks, you're wrong.

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    Not for nothing, but all that stuff from Lin about him wanting to play somewhere he was wanted is a load of crap. He needs to be real & just admit that this was all about the money. If it wasn't & he really wanted to be in NY he would have just signed the initial offer sheet & not tested fate. He made a business decision for himself & that's that. I completely respect that. But the spin he's putting on this whole situation is beyond laughable. I wish he would stop trying to make the Knicks out to be the villain here & just be happy that he's got his money now. The primadonna act does not suit a guy who was about to be playing in the D Leagues just a few months prior. Linsanity is a tremendous story & we were all lucky to witness it. He needs to keep himself grounded & check himself. God does not look favorably on those who are vain. The Good Book should have taught you this by now Jeremy.

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    Originally Posted by elcol
    I don't care who is to blame, that can be argued all day, We also will never know how well Lin would have played if he had decided to sign here.

    What we do know is that Dolan completely failed by giving Lin up for nothing....
    Agreed 100%. Losing Lin without even getting anything back in return is the #1 failure in this whole scenario. The Knicks really mismanaged this entire situation from that standpoint. If a poison pill contract of that level was never going to be matched then we should have looked to trade Lin before he ever signed that offer sheet. I have a hard time believing the Suns wouldn't have given us Steve Nash for Lin in a straight up trade if we ever had doubts about keeping Lin around for the longhaul. But instead we had to not only lose Lin, but also give up future assets & another promising young player in Papanikolaou for Raymond Felton. To me that is not a fair tradeoff or consolation, as much as I think Felton will be a solid player for us.

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    MANCHESTER, ENGLAND (AP)
    Mike D'Antoni was there for the start of Linsanity, Kobe Bryant on the wrong end of its greatest highlight.


    LINSANITY!
    Get the latest on the Jeremy Lin phenomenon. We've got it covered from every angle.
    Knicks officially let Lin go
    Gardner: Here and gone in NYC
    Corcoran: No longer the underdog
    Neither imagined next season opening without Jeremy Lin on the New York Knicks.

    ''No. Not when the kicker was they can match. I'm thinking, for sure,'' said former Knicks coach D'Antoni on Wednesday before the U.S. Olympic team practiced. ''Even when I was there, well at least we got him, we don't have to worry about him blowing up and us not being able to afford it.''

    But the Knicks ultimately decided they couldn't or wouldn't.

    Lin became a Houston Rocket on Tuesday night when the Knicks refused to match a three-year deal worth about $25 million, ending a brief but amazing run as New York's point guard.

    The Knicks had repeatedly said they planned to keep the restricted free agent, and Olympians Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler both believed they would.

    ''I know the Knicks organization wanted him back, I know his teammates wanted him back, I felt like Jeremy wanted to come back, but can't pass up what Houston threw out there,'' Chandler said.

    D'Antoni, who gave Lin a chance to play in February, resigned a month and a half later when the Knicks were struggling. He remains a firm believer in the undrafted point guard from Harvard. Bryant had no choice but to become one after Lin scored a career-high 38 points, outplaying one of the NBA's biggest stars during a nationally televised victory over the Lakers.


    CASHING IN
    The NBA's top 10 free agents all landed lucrative new deals.
    ''The plays that he was making, it didn't seem like he had too much of a difficulty making them. He seemed like he was pretty comfortable in making those plays and he was pretty consistent afterwards,'' Bryant said. ''His numbers weren't 30 and 15 assists or whatever, but they were more than solid numbers. He can play, he's a very good player.''


    How good is impossible to predict, because Lin made just 25 starts before his season ended because of surgery to repair torn cartilage in his knee. His numbers were already falling by then, a combination of fatigue and a lesser role in the offense once Mike Woodson replaced D'Antoni, who is now an assistant coach on the U.S. Olympic team.

    ''I mean, I don't think nobody really has an idea what his ceiling is,'' Anthony said. ''What he was able to do for that little stretch that he played before he got hurt, he was at the all-time high, from a game standpoint doing what he was able to do, averaging 20 something-plus points, almost 10 assists. I'm ready to see what's next.''

    He would have seen it in New York, but the third year of the contract, worth nearly $15 million, could have cost the Knicks more than double that in luxury tax payments.

    ''Houston threw something in the game that was kind of crazy,'' Anthony said.

    Tennis great and New Yorker John McEnroe has gone to so many Knicks games in his life he long ago lost count. He was at Madison Square Garden with his 12-year-old daughter for that Lakers game.

    ''It had to be one of the top five of all time as far as the excitement,'' said McEnroe, who was in Times Square on Wednesday talking about playing tennis at the Garden in November in the PowerShares Series. ''My daughter was like, `I love Lin,' and she doesn't really follow the team. It was so amazing to be there; the noise decibel was just deafening.

    ''He sort of saved things, it seemed like. There was such an energy. I don't understand it.''

    It's possible Lin may never live up to the deal, but D'Antoni refuses to rule it out. And he won't accept the idea that Lin was only a creation of his high-scoring offensive system.

    ''First of all, I think that's not fair to anybody, I think especially not to Jeremy,'' he said. ''For 20 games he was one of the best in the league and he was dominating from the headlines to even on the basketball court. So you can't discount that he'll never be able to do it, because not only did he do it, he did it at the highest level possible.

    ''So I'm happy for him, I think it's a great contract for him and Houston could find themselves a very, very, very good basketball player. At least he's going to be a good player. The guy's got quickness and determination, so he's going to be good. Now it depends on what level, nobody knows that, but I wouldn't bet against him.''

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    Originally Posted by LINvincible
    You don't GET it. Felton was BROUGHT IN FIRST BEFORE HE SIGNED IT....
    The Knicks NEVER made him an offer. What was he suppose to do?
    As I understand it, the Knicks only made that Felton trade when they were notified that Lin was going to sign that 2nd offer sheet from the Rockets. They had every intention of matching that 1st offer sheet that was verbally agreed upon in principle by Lin & his agent, but when Lin decided to try & squeeze more out of the deal it pretty much sealed his fate. Please do not try & put this on the Knicks, Lin is a smart guy he went for what he wanted, the money plain & simple. No hate on him for doing what he thought was best for himself, but disappointed that he is trying to put this "I wanted to be a Knick" BS out there to make the Knicks look like they're the ones who drove him away.

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    Originally Posted by WeReady
    And i gave you some rep love for finding the article
    good looks bro

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    This wasn't an act of treason. This wasn't a violation of some sacred trust or blood oath. This was a player with the collectively bargained right to find out how much he was worth on the market doing so. This was another team with an interest in that player and the salary cap space available to sign him exercising its collectively bargained right to offer him a contract that increased its chances of doing so. This was how free agency works. Weeping and gnashing your teeth at that indicates that Dolan, general manager Glen Grunwald and company don't actually understand the rules of the game they're playing, which is about as apt a description of the way the New York Knicks organization has been run for the past dozen years as any I've yet read.
    ouch.......

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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    wow, this still going...

    Maybe they know more about Lin’s abilities than the casual fans and the ppl on this board…. Did any of you guys ever considered that? I’m sure somebody within the organization was watching his rehab and if his game was effected by the injury. Maybe they know his knee will be an issue. And if he sucks and/or gets re-injured… not only will it be a waste of good money, but it will cause dissention within the team because there are players on the team that have been putting in consistent work over years (not days) and have yet to get such a pay day. That’s contract turned into Air Jordan money; do you honestly think he’s on that level?
    People say we can trade him later…but who are we going to trade him to if he’s sucking and possesses a hugh contract? Who is going to want to pay a waived player for not playing?

    If nothing else…remember the following clear facts. He’s an undrafted player waived twice, shipped back and forth to the D-league, and busted up his knee. NY media has blown up everybody that played on the Knicks. At one point TD was the toast of the town too…but we see what happened to him, right?

    Also, I will ask this seemingly avoided question again…Has anyone here seen JLIN play after he tore up his Knee?

    How many players do you know make a 100% healthy return after tearing up their knee and played exactly the same way before injury? I’m not talking about knee sprains here…. I’m talking about a tear that has the potential to tear again when that area of the knee is constantly going thru strain, flexing, bending, pounding, sudden movements such as cutting and jumping, and constantly hitting the floor. As reckless as JLin is… it’s only a matter of time before he hits the ground again and the IR list. No one here or elsewhere has seen him play any other way, no one knows if this undrafted, waived d-leaguer can change his game up so he doesn’t crash and burn during an 82 game season. Did some of us forget the fact that linsanity died before he got himself hurt? Perhaps amnesia is one of the symptoms that come with the linsanity syndrome?

    One thing’s for certain. The ppl within the Knicks organization and around the league know JLin way better than all of us here…and their involvements (and lack of involvement) tell it all. The only ones going linsane is Houston and the casual fans. Houston just wanted their Asain market back; they care little about winning right now. But what’s the excuse for the fans? Well actually…The answer is quite obvious. We all know Dolan has the money, and has paid plenty of underachievers, but his reluctance to match Lin, IMO was a sign of being responsible and finally showing some dedication to the team FIRST. He doesn’t need that JLin money and we should all know that by now. Get over it and move on peeps. There's absolutly nothing we can do about it...other than whining.

    Come on Real NY. This is the same org that gave Jared Jeffries that huge contract and he was a straight bum. If they seriously looked at Lins game and didnt want to sign him after they saw how he lit up teams first hand we're wrose off than I could have ever imagined...

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    Originally Posted by Hayato
    ouch.......
    double ouch. the fact that the Orange & Blue is represented by the laughing stock of the entire league sucks a big fat one.

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    As I understand it, the Knicks only made that Felton trade when they were notified that Lin was going to sign that 2nd offer sheet from the Rockets. They had every intention of matching that 1st offer sheet that was verbally agreed upon in principle by Lin & his agent, but when Lin decided to try & squeeze more out of the deal it pretty much sealed his fate. Please do not try & put this on the Knicks, Lin is a smart guy he went for what he wanted, the money plain & simple. No hate on him for doing what he thought was best for himself, but disappointed that he is trying to put this "I wanted to be a Knick" BS out there to make the Knicks look like they're the ones who drove him away.
    What is wrong with some of you people? Beside being spoon feed by idiots like Steven a smith and frank isola, can you guys think for yourself?

    There was No offer from the Knicks. The rockets initial offer could not be signed until July 11th. Shortly after the first offer, the Knicks FO said they would match anything up to a billion. This was right out of the Knicks from office. As soon as the Rockets front office heard about that, they went all in with the 14 mil in the 3rd year. Lin got the offer and it was the ONLY offer out there. Before he signed, the Knicks flinched and quickly went after Felton. They got him BEFORE Lin could sign. After hearing the News LIN had No other choice. The Knicks already brought in Kidd, they then brought in Felton and promised the doughboy the starting gig. What the hell WOULD any of u do? Don't sign it. Wait for some ridiculous low ball contract? His negotiation with the rockets need to be in good faith. It's unethical for him to NOT sign that and take a 50% haircut to potentially sit on the NYK bench. He had no other option folks. Get your thumb out of your ass and draw your tongues away from Steven a smith's butthole.

    There is no one to blame beside the front office of the Knicks. This is a screw up of biblical proportions.

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    What is the 2nd offer sheet that people keep referring to because i thought there was only one offer sheet and then an agreed upon amount prior to him signing the offer sheet or am i missing something?

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    Originally Posted by LINvincible
    What is wrong with some of you people? Beside being spoon feed by idiots like Steven a smith and frank isola, can you guys think for yourself?

    There was No offer from the Knicks. The rockets initial offer could not be signed until July 11th. Shortly after the first offer, the Knicks FO said they would match anything up to a billion. This was right out of the Knicks from office. As soon as the Rockets front office heard about that, they went all in with the 14 mil in the 3rd year. Lin got the offer and it was the ONLY offer out there. Before he signed, the Knicks flinched and quickly went after Felton. They got him BEFORE Lin could sign. After hearing the News LIN had No other choice. The Knicks already brought in Kidd, they then brought in Felton and promised the doughboy the starting gig. What the hell WOULD any of u do? Don't sign it. Wait for some ridiculous low ball contract? His negotiation with the rockets need to be in good faith. It's unethical for him to NOT sign that and take a 50% haircut to potentially sit on the NYK bench. He had no other option folks. Get your thumb out of your ass.

    There is no one to blame beside the front office of the Knicks. This is a screw up of biblical proportions.
    First of all take your condescending response someplace else. I replied respectfully, please do the same.

    When did I ever say there was more than 1 offer sheet signed? Please re-read my post before going off on some ridiculous rant. I said the original OFFER was VERBALLY AGREED UPON & the Knicks made it known that they planned to match. There was no signed offer sheet, no kidding! I never said there was!

    News broke that Lin was planning on signing that original offer sheet on July 5th.

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    News broke that Lin had signed the REVISED offer sheet on July 13th.

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    News broke that the Knicks traded for Felton on July 15th.

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    Please get your facts straight & your timelines in order before posting this nonsense that the Knicks traded for Felton & forced Lin's hand to sign with Houston. That is not how things went down.

    Who's the one with their thumb up their ass now?

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    First of all take your condescending response someplace else. I replied respectfully, please do the same.

    When did I ever say there was more than 1 offer sheet signed? Please re-read my post before going off on some ridiculous rant. I said the original OFFER was VERBALLY AGREED UPON & the Knicks made it known that they planned to match. There was no signed offer sheet, no kidding! I never said there was!

    News broke that Lin was planning on signing that original offer sheet on July 5th.

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    News broke that Lin had signed the REVISED offer sheet on July 13th.

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    News broke that the Knicks traded for Felton on July 15th.

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    Please get your facts straight & your timelines in order before posting this nonsense that the Knicks traded for Felton & forced Lin's hand to sign with Houston. That is not how things went down.

    Who's the one with their thumb up their ass now?
    Dude, again you need to stop being spoon feed. If Lin had signed the offer on July 13, it would had given the Knicks a deadline of July 16. This is a fact. The Knicks have 3 days to match. This confirms what Lin said.

    The actual date of The Match deadline was Tuesday July 17th which means he signed sometime on July 14th. The news of Felton's signing was Saturaday July 14th too. The Felton trade was in the works days before.

    Again, why don't you keep that tongue right where it belongs.

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