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    Originally Posted by Hayato
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    watch the vid around 1:45.. is something just going right over my head or is this interviewer completely clueless? the guy he's interviewing says that lin isnt gona be worth 14 mil two years from now and the guy said "even if it doesnt effect your salary cap" then shortly says "it wont affect the knicks signing other players because its just luxury tax."

    first of all; the 14 mil was the salary cap and then the lux tax penalty will be more than double that. to me the interviewer was saying the 14 mil was all luxury tax. and not only that, but he made it seem like "its not salary cap so why does it matter if the knicks go over the luxury tax?" what??? the 14 mil theyd be paying him would be from the cap not luxury tax..obviously....

    again; something could be going right over my head but he sounds retarded
    Yes, something is going over your head. This guy knows exactly what he's talking about.

    Because of Stat, Melo, and Chandler (60 million owed to these 3 players in the last year), the Knicks will still be over the salary cap/luxury tax even though they declined to match Lin's offer. The only reason that they had the money available to match Lin was because of the Early Bird Rights. So, even though the 14 million counts on the cap, it does not affect the flexibility of the Knicks FO, since there is no flexibility even without signing Lin. So, anybody who justifies this move by saying we can spend the money on other players is dead wrong, which is what the reporter rightfully cleared up. There are reasons not to match Lin's offer, but spending the money on other players is not one of them.

    Hope this clears it up for you. Let me know if anything in this wasn't clear.

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    Originally Posted by LINvincible
    What is wrong with some of you people? Beside being spoon feed by idiots like Steven a smith and frank isola, can you guys think for yourself?

    There was No offer from the Knicks. The rockets initial offer could not be signed until July 11th. Shortly after the first offer, the Knicks FO said they would match anything up to a billion. This was right out of the Knicks from office. As soon as the Rockets front office heard about that, they went all in with the 14 mil in the 3rd year. Lin got the offer and it was the ONLY offer out there. Before he signed, the Knicks flinched and quickly went after Felton. They got him BEFORE Lin could sign. After hearing the News LIN had No other choice. The Knicks already brought in Kidd, they then brought in Felton and promised the doughboy the starting gig. What the hell WOULD any of u do? Don't sign it. Wait for some ridiculous low ball contract? His negotiation with the rockets need to be in good faith. It's unethical for him to NOT sign that and take a 50% haircut to potentially sit on the NYK bench. He had no other option folks. Get your thumb out of your ass and draw your tongues away from Steven a smith's butthole.

    There is no one to blame beside the front office of the Knicks. This is a screw up of biblical proportions.
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    Originally Posted by orangeblobman
    WTF are you saying, that Lowry is better than Lin???

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    Notable Point Guards
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    Kyle Lowry 16.0 7.4
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    Originally Posted by Hayato
    hey hes right. lin was better than lowry

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    Lowry>>>LIN

    Lowry has improved EVERY YEAR and was on the verge of having a breakout year last season UNTIL he had his stomach virus and groin injury. Lowry averaged 15.6 points, 5.3 rebounds, 7.6 assists PER GAME before the All-star break. The second half of the season his numbers came down when he started losing playing time. So how is Lin better than Lowry? Lowry was doing all that while also having to share time with Dragic who is a damn good PG himself... one can argue the Rockets had a pretty good balanced roster... and Lowry still put up those numbers? Lowry was straight beastin before his injury and was LIGHTS OUT behind the arc. Ontop of that Lowry had issues with his coach who was throwing his name in trade rumors.

    LIN? you know why Lin numbers were impressive? because MELO was hurt and Stat was also having issues. So who had the ball? Lin had the ball, Lin was in control, Lin did the scoring, it was all about Lin. Lin got most of his Assit running pick and roll with Chandler who is FLAT OUT, HANDS DOWN better than any center the rockets had, and from Novak who is clearly a better shooter than any player the rockets have.

    Lin's numbers died down, not just because Carmelo's presence was on the floor but because teams started FIGURING out his game.. the scouting reports were out we saw Lin struggle, turned the ball over, was exposed that he cant go left, and the Heat showed us if ya apply some hard full court pressure on the kid.. he's going to struggle even more. Lin proved he still has a long way to go before he can dominate games.

    Lowry... teams know what to expect from Lowry, and he still goes out there and balls and puts up his numbers. Lin has YET to reach that level.... which is why alot of people still OVERRATE Lin, your still stuck in the Linsanity Era when nobody knew who he was or what to expect from him...News Flash my friends next season Players will exactly know who Lin is and will make the necessary Defensive adjustment to guard him, only this time it'll be much more easier since there is no Carmelo or Amare to have to worry about... unless you think ASIK will terrify the opponent

    Lowry is not MUCH better than Lin, they are arguably in the SAME talent range, but Lowry is more POLISHED than Lin and you know what your getting from Lowry... Lin is still a mystery, i cant wait to see how Lin does going head to head against them Western conference PG's and those western conference teams who are way more tougher than these eastern conference teams. This season is going to the season for Lin to really prove himself.. the scouting reports are out and believe me it's going to be MUCH MUCH MUCH tougher for Lin.. since he's the "GUY" on his team. There's not going to be any Melo's or Chandler's or Amare's to pass the ball to when he struggles no more pick and rolls with Chandler. Lin's going to put up numbers just because he's going to be expected to but the rockets aren't going anywhere in reality.

    Eventually will Lin be an Elite player in this league? perhaps!! is he right now? NO, he's an average PG that still needs to improve.. please spare me on how he's better than Lowry they are arguably in the same boat (Lin's just more popular)
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    Originally Posted by BillyHoyle
    Yes, something is going over your head. This guy knows exactly what he's talking about.

    Because of Stat, Melo, and Chandler (60 million owed to these 3 players in the last year), the Knicks will still be over the salary cap/luxury tax even though they declined to match Lin's offer. The only reason that they had the money available to match Lin was because of the Early Bird Rights. So, even though the 14 million counts on the cap, it does not affect the flexibility of the Knicks FO, since there is no flexibility even without signing Lin. So, anybody who justifies this move by saying we can spend the money on other players is dead wrong, which is what the reporter rightfully cleared up. There are reasons not to match Lin's offer, but spending the money on other players is not one of them.

    Hope this clears it up for you. Let me know if anything in this wasn't clear.
    i never advocated signing other players. i was quoting the guy.

    so how could we lost at all giving lin that money even when we're gonna be over the salary cap and lux tax regardless and he had bird rights

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    Originally Posted by Hayato
    i never advocated signing other players. i was quoting the guy.

    The person who the reporter responded to is the one who advocated signing other players. That's why he went into detail.

    Originally Posted by Hayato
    so how could we lost at all giving lin that money even when we're gonna be over the salary cap and lux tax regardless and he had bird rights
    I don't understand this? Please rephrase. Sounds like you're saying how could we lose by giving him the money? If so, yes I agree with that sentiment, and I think that is the point the reporter was trying to make. The only cost is financial, which was something Dolan and the FO didn't want to pay given the cheaper options of felton and Kidd.

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    Lin would have cost us around $40 million (last figure I heard and I'm going with it, correct me if I'm wrong) that 3rd year which sucks financially unless you consider that they could have spread that over a few more years and that we could have traded him before the 3rd year if his play was atrocious or Dolan just didn't want to lose money. Also, Lin's marketing potential is virtually limitless esp in a city like New York so who knows how much revenue he would have brought us.

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    Originally Posted by CoolClyde
    However, in the case of the NY Knicks, the owner is bigger than the team.
    way to go Dolan, fat f*ckface!
    Admit it CC.

    Lin did the one thing he could to f*ck this up. Everyone and their mother knew our intentions, it was no big secret.

    But not everyone knew Lins intentons. His actions speak volumes.

    Dummies will paint it as "he's just exercising his rights, blah, blah..."

    But the truth is in the details. This isn't about a player who we tried to swindle and low-ball, so he bounced due to unappreciation.

    This is about a player who let the "linsanity" go to his head and thought of the only way he could get out of the lime-light.

    He tried to bite the hand that fed him. This is about principles. Your owner is your boss. This team however successful we were, was due to the "TEAM", and that includes everyone and D'Antoni.

    Lin miscalculated in that aspect. He would've been a starter here also, so it wasn= that. And he only got 4mil more.

    But he thought we valued Linsanity over winning. That we can't possibly pass on the spectical. He was wrong. And ultimately he pays for his gambles.

    Why couldn't sign the first deal? You say it wasn't enough, I say it was more than enough.

    Why couldn't he return with the 2nd offer to see our position, which obviously we would have said its a bit back-loaded?

    Nope. He saw the numbers (which aren't all that much more than the 1st contract) and felt they were worth "Linsanity", without any warning he signed. That tells me "Linsanity" means more than winning to him.

    And isn't this the big question with athletes?
    Sign to a contender, but take less for the opportunity to win -or-
    Sign to a loser, get more money with less chances of winning.

    The choice is simple... Money vs Winning.

    If you can't have both, then which one?

    Lin chose money over wins. Case closed. Not a true fighter. Not a true Knick. An Asian dude who took the highest offer while he could.

    I can't blame him, but I like many know he doesn't have that desire. And for that I praise Dolan. His actions provided a situation to take Linsanity out the picture and see if Jeremy wants to win...

    He didn't.
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    Originally Posted by petescud
    I don't see the Nets being any better then us .... another 7th/8th seed squad
    They've got a decent bunch of starters, Super-Joe included, though their bench is a mystery.

    Personally, I think the Nets have their stuff together in establishing a solid starting crew then working on assembling rotations. The Knicks still look like they have pieces missing, chemistry issues notwithstanding.

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    it's senseless to defend Dolan's logics.

    for those who are sober already knows the truth:
    never let go of a promising young player for NOTHING (not to mention a big time marketing cash-cow, international name)

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    Originally Posted by KnickolasMGL
    it's senseless to defend Dolan's logics.

    for those who are sober already knows the truth:
    never let go of a promising young player for NOTHING (not to mention a big time marketing cash-cow, international name)
    I'll agree 100% with this

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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    *Cracks Knuckles

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    Lowry>>>LIN

    Lowry has improved EVERY YEAR and was on the verge of having a breakout year last season UNTIL he had his stomach virus and groin injury. Lowry averaged 15.6 points, 5.3 rebounds, 7.6 assists PER GAME before the All-star break. The second half of the season his numbers came down when he started losing playing time. So how is Lin better than Lowry? Lowry was doing all that while also having to share time with Dragic who is a damn good PG himself... one can argue the Rockets had a pretty good balanced roster... and Lowry still put up those numbers? Lowry was straight beastin before his injury and was LIGHTS OUT behind the arc. Ontop of that Lowry had issues with his coach who was throwing his name in trade rumors.

    LIN? you know why Lin numbers were impressive? because MELO was hurt and Stat was also having issues. So who had the ball? Lin had the ball, Lin was in control, Lin did the scoring, it was all about Lin. Lin got most of his Assit running pick and roll with Chandler who is FLAT OUT, HANDS DOWN better than any center the rockets had, and from Novak who is clearly a better shooter than any player the rockets have.

    Lin's numbers died down, not just because Carmelo's presence was on the floor but because teams started FIGURING out his game.. the scouting reports were out we saw Lin struggle, turned the ball over, was exposed that he cant go left, and the Heat showed us if ya apply some hard full court pressure on the kid.. he's going to struggle even more. Lin proved he still has a long way to go before he can dominate games.

    Lowry... teams know what to expect from Lowry, and he still goes out there and balls and puts up his numbers. Lin has YET to reach that level.... which is why alot of people still OVERRATE Lin, your still stuck in the Linsanity Era when nobody knew who he was or what to expect from him...News Flash my friends next season Players will exactly know who Lin is and will make the necessary Defensive adjustment to guard him, only this time it'll be much more easier since there is no Carmelo or Amare to have to worry about... unless you think ASIK will terrify the opponent

    Lowry is not MUCH better than Lin, they are arguably in the SAME talent range, but Lowry is more POLISHED than Lin and you know what your getting from Lowry... Lin is still a mystery, i cant wait to see how Lin does going head to head against them Western conference PG's and those western conference teams who are way more tougher than these eastern conference teams. This season is going to the season for Lin to really prove himself.. the scouting reports are out and believe me it's going to be MUCH MUCH MUCH tougher for Lin.. since he's the "GUY" on his team. There's not going to be any Melo's or Chandler's or Amare's to pass the ball to when he struggles no more pick and rolls with Chandler. Lin's going to put up numbers just because he's going to be expected to but the rockets aren't going anywhere in reality.

    Eventually will Lin be an Elite player in this league? perhaps!! is he right now? NO, he's an average PG that still needs to improve.. please spare me on how he's better than Lowry they are arguably in the same boat (Lin's just more popular)
    Lin did all the scoring and the team did all the winning WITHOUT MELO and STAT. Yes, you can take that to the bank.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Admit it CC.

    Lin did the one thing he could to f*ck this up. Everyone and their mother knew our intentions, it was no big secret.

    But not everyone knew Lins intentons. His actions speak volumes.

    Dummies will paint it as "he's just exercising his rights, blah, blah..."

    But the truth is in the details. This isn't about a player who we tried to swindle and low-ball, so he bounced due to unappreciation.

    This is about a player who let the "linsanity" go to his head and thought of the only way he could get out of the lime-light.

    He tried to bite the hand that fed him. This is about principles. Your owner is your boss. This team however successful we were, was due to the "TEAM", and that includes everyone and D'Antoni.

    Lin miscalculated in that aspect. He would've been a starter here also, so it wasn= that. And he only got 4mil more.

    But he thought we valued Linsanity over winning. That we can't possibly pass on the spectical. He was wrong. And ultimately he pays for his gambles.

    Why couldn't sign the first deal? You say it wasn't enough, I say it was more than enough.

    Why couldn't he return with the 2nd offer to see our position, which obviously we would have said its a bit back-loaded?

    Nope. He saw the numbers (which aren't all that much more than the 1st contract) and felt they were worth "Linsanity", without any warning he signed. That tells me "Linsanity" means more than winning to him.

    And isn't this the big question with athletes?
    Sign to a contender, but take less for the opportunity to win -or-
    Sign to a loser, get more money with less chances of winning.

    The choice is simple... Money vs Winning.

    If you can't have both, then which one?

    Lin chose money over wins. Case closed. Not a true fighter. Not a true Knick. An Asian dude who took the highest offer while he could.

    I can't blame him, but I like many know he doesn't have that desire. And for that I praise Dolan. His actions provided a situation to take Linsanity out the picture and see if Jeremy wants to win...

    He didn't.
    Come on Red, you say you don't blame Lin for taking the money but this long post sounds like a rant against the kid.

    This was a kid that went undrafted and was making minimum money in the league, sleeping on his brother's couch and was tossed around like a Hefty garbage bag of trash by 3 teams, who is going to blame him for taking the money.

    He's been shown the business side of the NBA for a couple of years now, getting cut to make cap room for players his former teams wanted. He was just using the same system as teams were using with him.

    I don't blame the Knicks, when I heard he would cost them 57M in that 3rd year, I said to myself he's gone. I can remember players getting cut under the old CBA when the 1:1 luxury tax would double a players salary if a team was over the threshold, so the the Knicks made the right decision.

    Lin did the right thing for himself. He ain't Rashard Lewis collecting 14M from NO and a min contract from Miami or BD with the Knicks last year getting paid by two teams.

    I was also listening to JVG on the radio and he was asked about JR Smith saying Lin's contract would cause problems in the locker room. JVG said he was very surprised by that because players generally are happy for any player that gets a big contract. Which leads me to believe that a lot of the crap that's said about the kid is because he is Asian.

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    The more i think about this, the more I think Dolan is a retard. That 15 mil expiring contract could have helped us get someone like Chris Paul in the 3rd year. Expirings are so important in this salary cap era....

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    Look, no matter how i look at this problem Dolan is still a clown. If Dolan really wanted to keep Lin he should have given him a contract at the start of the FA. Instead he pushed him to shop himself and promised he will match any offer up to $1 BILLION!

    ONE BILLION?? That's a pretty bold statement, so if i was Lin i would have done the same, selling myself at the higher price knowing that my team will match it. Last time i checked, $25 mil is still way less then what the owner was willing to pay so why even bother to worry?

    It was clear the FO wasn't interested in Lin at all when they got involved with Felton and soon after, they signed Kidd. Of course, the Raymond Felton news only came across after Lin signed the 3 year deal but from what it seems the deal was sealed long before.

    Jeremy only did what's best for him, i honestly can't blame him. When your team gets two other players at the same spot before offering you a sheet, you have to think smart and figure if they really want you back.

    just my

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    Originally Posted by LINvincible
    Lin did all the scoring and the team did all the winning WITHOUT MELO and STAT. Yes, you can take that to the bank.
    indeed he did and it was fun to watch, but for how long do you think that would of went on? Most of his run came from teams not knowing how to defend Lin. Once the scouting report hits the fan and teams make the defensive adjustment, Lin is not effective! the Heat already showed Lin can be contained with the right defensive adjustments, Lin still cant go left maybe, he's been working on that this off-season but until he proves that no matter what defense you throw at him he can still do his thing and not turn the ball over and over and over he will remain a AVERAGE PG until further notice.

    I'm telling you, Lin will no doubt be the man in Houston but will he have what it takes to lead his team. *ALL EYES ON LIN IN HOUSTON* their is no more having Carmelo or Amare to fall back on when things don't go your way. If Lin gets shutdown the ROCKETS will be shut down, and the western conference is alot more aggressive than the eastern conference due to more competition.

    What Pg has Lin $hitted on??? Jason kidd,who wasn't even 100 percent?? Fisher??? Calderon?? Derrick rose who just came back from a bad injury???? Deron williams who had no idea how to defend Lin and came back the next time around and dropped buckets on him?????

    Chalmers locked in defensively on Lin got up in his grill and took him out his game.

    what you think the Thunder & Westrbook/sefolosha , Clippers & Cp3, Grizzlies & Conley/Allen, Spurs & Parker, Denver & Lawson are going to do???? even the Lakers will probably rip Lin apart as payback if they get Dwight you think Lin's going to be skippin in the paint? if Artest is LOCKED in he might not even make it in the paint, Kobes going to be focuses smh Lin will have his hands full in the west

    But i wish him the best of Luck, no better place to grow than out west where their is more competition.

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