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    I can see it now......... Knicks match deal, the stock shorters get scorched....................

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    there is no hope for Lin to return,
    he is a GONER,


    I wish him the best. He gave a good storyline and pumped the team out of a major slump.
    Shoot, the Knicks would of prolly missed the playoffs last year without his streak.

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    Or, the Knicks are waiting until the last minute to pump
    up the drama and anticipation.




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    is it possible that it's being advertised the knicks aren't matching the rockets so they don't risk the contract being upped once more? one can hope

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    NO CHANCE that Lin stays,

    Felton is signed for 10 mil for 3 years,
    Kidd for the same amount, or close,

    u dont bring two PGs and then sign another PG for a backloaded contract.

    TRAIN LEFT the station when the Felton trade was done.

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    LIN = David Lee

    In terms if being good and right at one price and not so much so at another.

    I believe there were no plans to have Lin start. Kidd seems more like a Woodson guard. Between him Felt and Lin, Kidd plays the best defense. I think the plan was to bring Linsanity off the bench, especially with Kidd immediately gunning for the final 6 minutes. He sounded as if Woodson sold him on closing out games.

    IF Lin wanted what we had to offer he would have signed the origianl offer sheet.

    IF Lin was a team player he would understand what the potential cap implications are. $40mil with the Tax is ridiculous.

    For the original deal I think Dolan & co. would accept it and use Lin for what he is, including the option in the final year. Lin was good (supposedly), Dolan was good, obviously the Rockets were good...

    it was Lin that pursued a change in the deal. It was Lins decision NOT to play last playoffs. And truth be told, until Linsanity Lin's play didn't convince anyone he was worth anywhere near his offer, so...

    My point in saying that is that he must do more to earn that $, he can't just ride the wave of a spectacle. He wants to get paid like a high round pick, all because of Linsanity. It has went to his head, hence his decisions.

    This may be his humbling. and IF he is signed

    pressure x 1,000.
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    Originally Posted by Red
    LIN = David Lee

    In terms if being good and right at one price and not so much so at another.

    I believe there were no plans to have Lin start. Kidd seems more like a Woodson guard. Between him Felt and Lin, Kidd plays the best defense. I think the plan was to bring Linsanity off the bench, especially with Kidd immediately gunning for the final 6 minutes. He sounded as if Woodson sold him on closing out games.

    IF Lin wanted what we had to offer he would have signed the origianl offer sheet.

    IF Lin was a team player he would understand what the potential cap implications are. $40mil with the Tax is ridiculous.

    For the original deal I think Dolan & co. would accept it and use Lin for what he is, including the option in the final year. Lin was good (supposedly), Dolan was good, obviously the Rockets were good...

    it was Lin that persued a change in the deal. It was Lins decision NOT to play last playoffs. And truth be told, until Linsanity Lin's play didn't convince anyone he was worth anywhere near his offer, so...
    I also believe that Kidd came over to start. There was never any plan to start Lin over Kidd. Woodson plays a half-court iso offense. He doesn't need an up-tempo guard. Kidd is perfect for that role. What I don't understand is the signing of Felton. He sucks at half-court sets. Why would Woodson even want him?

    As for your statements about Lin being greedy and not a team player, I don't know of anyone who would be so noble to leave 25 mil at the table and take lesser money from Dolan because Dolan can't afford the luxury tax. This ain't charity. When Lin was sleeping on his brother's couch, did Dolan offer to pay for his room? No, he was going to cut Lin.

    So tell me again. Why was it wrong for Lin to go for the more lucrative contract?

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    Thumbs down The whole shebang

    The [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] announced on Monday they've acquired point guard [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in a sign-and-trade with the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ].

    What the organization did not announce, however, is its decision to match [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]'s three-year, $25.1 million offer sheet from the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] or to let the point guard walk.
    According to ESPN.com's Marc Stein, the Knicks have until 11:59 p.m. on Tuesday night to decide whether to match the Rockets' offer sheet to Lin.
    The Felton trade is seen as mounting evidence that New York won't match Lin's contract. USA Today reported Felton received a three-year, $10 million deal.
    The Knicks are currently deliberating the merits of paying Lin more than $25 million over three years, but two sources within the organization tell ESPNNewYork.com's Stephen A. Smith that the Knicks will not match the offer.
    A team source tells ESPNNewYork.com the third year of the Rockets' offer -- worth $14.8 million -- makes it unlikely the Knicks would match. If the Knicks were to match the offer, they would also be subject to a luxury tax in the third year, potentially bringing their total out-of-pocket cost for Lin to about $43 million in 2014-15.
    The Rockets' offer to Lin would pay him $5 million in the first year, $5.225 million in the second and $14.8 million in the third, according to sources.
    A source close to Lin told ESPNNewYork.com that the Knicks' trade for Felton caught Lin off guard.
    "He was very surprised," the source said. "He felt the whole time that the Knicks would just match the offer."
    The Knicks acquired Felton and former Knick [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] from the Trail Blazers in a deal that was first agreed to on Saturday night, according to sources.
    In return, New York sent [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], via a sign-and-trade, and center [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], whose deal is not guaranteed this season, to Portland. Also included in the deal was [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], the Knicks' 2012 second-round draft pick, Giorgos Printezis and a protected future second-round draft pick.
    Papanikolaou, a small forward from Greece, is expected to make his NBA debut in 2013-14.

    The Best Of Linsanity


    ESPN New York looks back at Jeremy Lin's very best games with the 'Bockers. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]



    Printezis was acquired in the Knicks' three-team sign-and-trade to obtain [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] last season.

    Clearly, the key acquisition for the Knicks was Felton, who averaged 17.1 points and 9.0 assists in 54 games for New York in 2010-11 before he was sent to Denver in the Knicks' trade for [Only registered and activated users can see links. ].
    Felton will start at point guard if, as expected, the Knicks don't match Houston's offer sheet to Lin.
    Initial reports had the Rockets offering Lin a four-year deal for around $28 million. That deal included salaries of more than $9 million in each of the last two years, which would be a big hit on the Knicks' salary cap.
    Still, the organization seemed intent on matching.
    "They will match any offer on Lin up to $1 billion," a source told ESPN.com's Stein last week.

    Knicks coach Mike Woodson said Wednesday that Lin would not only be back but would enter next season as the Knicks' starting point guard.
    It's not clear, however, if the new deal has changed that thinking since it would increase the Knicks' luxury tax bill significantly in 2014-15.
    If the Knicks re-sign Lin, they'll have $75 million tied up in four players -- Lin, Anthony, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], and Chandler -- in 2014-15.
    Lin, a restricted free agent, made $788,000 last season. He averaged 14.6 points, 6.2 assists and 3.1 rebounds in 35 games with 25 starts before his season was cut short because of surgery to repair torn cartilage in his knee.
    But in the 35 games he was healthy, Lin went from an end-of-the-bench afterthought to an international phenomenon.



    The undrafted guard out of Harvard, who was cut twice in the preseason (once by the Rockets) and played in the D-League, set the league on fire in February, leading the Knicks to seven consecutive wins. He scored at least 20 points in nine of 10 games during that stretch.
    Felton will be looking to bounce back in New York after a rough season with the Trail Blazers, in which he averaged 11.4 points per game on 40.7 percent shooting and briefly lost his starting job.
    Felton's agent, Tony Dutt, told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard that returning to New York had been Felton's first choice all along.
    Thomas played for the Knicks from 1998-2005. The 17-year veteran was a key cog on the 1999 team that reached the NBA Finals. Thomas ranks 19th on the franchise's all-time scoring list, eighth in rebounds, fourth in blocked shots.
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    Wasn't Felton and Amare on the verge of All-Stars at a point in that season? Signing Felton reduced Lin's leverage.

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    Default The Knicks Fix: Decision on Lin Sparks Heated Debate

    Here's what Alan Hahn has to say, along with words of wisdom from Clyde Frazier

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    The Knicks Fix: Decision on Lin Sparks Heated Debate
    Monday, July 16, 2012
    By Alan Hahn
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    LAS VEGAS -- How fitting to be here, in the City of Sin, this oasis of unapologetic pretentiousness, of extravagant novelty, of alluring adventure and the pursuit of the endless experience, to consider the value of Linsanity.

    While we rode that euphoric wave through February and March, the New York thing to do was predict its demise. We are a society of equal parts builders and destroyers. Jeremy Lin was a chalk masterpiece on the sidewalk just there to be washed away by the next rain. But Lin admirably proved time and again that he had staying power.

    That staying power is being tested once more.

    There was never a question about Lin's future with the Knicks. The intention always was to re-sign him, regardless of the Bird Rights issue. The Basketball Gods had already gifted the franchise with this unheralded prodigy out of the dregs of the waiver wire and another minor miracle emerged in June when an arbitrator awarded Lin his Early Bird Rights, which should have cemented his future in New York.

    Still, as a restricted free agent, it was in Lin's rights to test the market and find the best value he could get. The Knicks did not engage in contract negotiations on July 1 because they were focused on shoring up other needs on the roster. Lin was considered a given. No matter what someone offered him, the plan all along was to match.

    When reports emerged about a four-year offer sheet from the Houston Rockets, the reaction was measured. Lin didn't have to sign it, of course. He could have simply declined and the Knicks could have used it as the framework of a deal. But the responsibility of his representation is to guarantee the highest price possible and not deal in winks and handshakes. Still, the Knicks, based on the reported figures -- a third year at $9.3 million and a fourth year that wasn't fully guaranteed -- had no hesitation about matching.

    Granted, Lin shouldn't have signed anything if he had no intention, or interest, in playing for the Rockets. So let's make it clear: Lin wants to play for Houston, a franchise that still maintains a strong connection to the Asian market from its ties to Yao Ming. What we can only assume is he would be equally happy to remain a Knick.

    What you'd rather confirm is that he'd prefer to be a Knick.

    That, however, can be fairly questioned by the move to set this false sense of security within the Knicks organization after the original offer sheet numbers were leaked to the media and then turn around and sign a much more challenging deal that reportedly has a fully guaranteed $14.8 million payout in Year 3. When you consider the payroll for this Knicks team that is attempting to build a championship contender, Lin's third year could cost the Knicks as much as $40 million when you factor in potential luxury tax payments.

    The Knicks have until Tuesday night to match. Several reports have suggested the team has abruptly changed its stance on Lin and will not match the deal. Lin's camp is already putting out word through media outlets that he would like to stay in New York, which is sounding somewhat disingenuous in the wake of this offer sheet strategy.

    And while the clock ticks, a despondent fan base is torn in two by a debate that has set off another version of Linsanity. Those in favor of matching the contract have an argument that ranges between the importance of preserving a young talent on what is a much older roster to the idea that Lin's marketing and commercial appeal will recoup most of the hefty cost that incurs by Year 3. Those opposed argue that Lin, with just 25 starts in his career, is not worth such an exorbitant amount of money and has more to prove. One of the most passionate debates has one side saying the Knicks have historically overspent for marginal players (see: Jerome James) so money suddenly shouldn't be an issue in regards to keeping such a popular player as Lin, while the other side says the days of being fiscally irresponsible need to end.

    Just the fact that there is this much passion being generated over this debate proves just how massive Linsanity is for the Knicks. One fan emailed me upset about the potential of losing Lin because, "My wife says she'll never watch another Knicks game if they don't sign Jeremy Lin."

    I would hope she would watch just to see me on the pre and postgame shows.

    Or, you know, Clyde.

    During our broadcast here of the Knicks' Summer League game against the Suns on Sunday, Walt Frazier and I both agreed that the team should match the contract. "Worry about later, later," Frazier said, with the idea that if Lin proves to not be the value you hoped before Year 3, he can be traded as an expiring contract for one or two players. In fact, if the Knicks match, they can trade Lin after Jan. 15 with his consent, which means before this year's deadline he could be moved. They can even ship him to the Rockets -- so Houston can enjoy that balloon in Year 3 -- next summer.

    The idea is, just as an asset alone, Lin is too valuable to let walk without any compensation. In the NBA, if you don't match an offer sheet for a restricted free agent, you do not receive any compensatory draft picks as in other sports. You just lose the player. Even if Lin isn't part of the plan going forward, especially with Raymond Felton reportedly back to run the point (more on this later), Lin should be retained just so the franchise can get some type of return.
    [Ed. Note: Raymond Felton was officially acquired by the Knicks on Monday afternoon.]

    Though several scouts have told me they still don't see Lin becoming more than a very good backup point guard in this league, I'm a strong believer in his potential because of his ability to get to the rim, finish, hit clutch shots, galvanize teammates and, most of all, his impressive will.

    The only thing I question is if that will to remain a Knick is still as strong as it was on Feb. 4, when he entered a game against the Nets hours from being placed on waivers.


    CONTRACT ALREADY AN ISSUE?

    Carmelo Anthony, before USA Basketball practice in Washington, D.C., on Sunday morning, had just finished saying he would "love" to see Jeremy Lin back with the Knicks and added that "I think he has to do what's best for him right now," which prompted a reporter, mindful of Lin's status as a restricted free agent, to say, "It's up to you guys to match."

    Melo then laughed and said, "It's not up to me!"

    He then added, "It's up to the organization to say that they want to match that ridiculous contract that's out there."

    Ridiculous. Contract.

    Many others have said it, but the fact that it came from the star player on the team created a major controversy before breakfast was served in Las Vegas.

    There have been suggestions that Melo was resentful of the attention Lin received last season and also that Lin's interest in remaining a Knick has waned because he doesn't want to play with Melo. The two went out to dinner in June, along with Tyson Chandler, in an attempt to develop a better understanding of each other, discuss the future and air out any lingering issues. Apparently it didn't work.

    Still, Melo's strong words about Lin's impending big payday were troublesome and created a media firestorm that motivated Melo to fire back later in the day.

    "I'm tired of people trying to blame me for the fact that the Knicks might not match," he said to Yahoo! Sports. "I want everybody to get paid if they have the opportunity."

    If you know Melo, you know he is big on having players earn their stripes when they come into the NBA. He orders rookies to carry equipment and, occasionally, his bag. He believes status is something you earn over time, as you prove yourself in the league over the course of a season or two. So Lin's ascension into stardom and as a main face of the franchise is, without question, something Melo has tried to counter with some humble pie. That's been going on in the NBA for decades.

    But J.R. Smith pointed out another underlying issue that has existed in all of pro sports that Lin could face next season: He, with just 64 games of NBA experience, will be making more than other far more established and accomplished players in the league.

    "I think some guys take it personal, being they've been doing it longer and haven't received reward for it yet," Smith told SI.com. "I think it's a tough subject to touch on for a lot of guys."

    Smith, for one, returned to the Knicks at $2.8 million, which is slightly more than half of what Lin will make in the first year of his deal.


    RETURN OF RAYMOND

    Among the host of Knicks who suddenly found themselves in Denver after the Carmelo Anthony trade in Feb. 2011, Raymond Felton was the most shaken by it. Danilo Gallinari heard the rumors for months, as did Wilson Chandler. But Felton never expected his run in New York would have ended that quickly. He admitted to confidants that it soured his attitude and negatively affected his game, which quickly disintegrated after an impressive half-season with the Knicks.

    It came to a head in Portland, his fourth team in three years, when Nate McMillan was furious over Felton's weight. It was an issue with the Knicks, as well, as I recall Donnie Walsh being upset when Felton showed up before training camp in 2010-11 overweight. Felton assured Walsh and the Knicks that his practice is to come in heavy and use training camp to get to the weight he needs. The reasoning, according to Felton, is he likes to feel strong and the rigors of a regular season cause him to lose too much weight and it makes him feel weaker.

    That theory will certainly be put to the test this season, as we've already told you how Knicks coach Mike Woodson has warned his players to show up for training camp at weight and in shape. Those who know Felton well believe Woodson may be just the right coach for Felton, who is a fiery competitor. But McMillan is the hard-driving, motivational type, too, and Felton did not respond well. At one point last season, Felton expressed his frustration with McMillan: "Never in my days playing basketball have I felt like a coach wasn't confident in my ability."

    Felton was putting up career-best numbers (17.1 points per game, 9.0 assists per game) with the Knicks before the trade but what must be noted is that he was playing as the primary ball handler in Mike D'Antoni's pick-and-roll system. Felton and Amar'e Stoudemire developed good chemistry -- though it took time -- and the belief is the two should be able to reconnect again in Woodson's offense.


    AGE AIN'T NOTHING BUT A NUMBER?

    When Toney Douglas was sent to the Rockets in the sign-and-trade for Marcus Camby, it created a fact that is certainly a sign of the times. The most tenured player on the team, by consistent years, is now Amar'e Stoudemire.

    Stoudemire will always be remembered as the pioneer free agent in 2010, which set the first stone of the foundation of this new era. Of course the roster does have several players who have played for the Knicks before (Camby, Felton and Kurt Thomas), but for current tenure, Stoudemire is now the franchise's mainstay.

    Iman Shumpert remains the team's youngest player, at 22, but after him there isn't a single player 25 or under. Two seasons ago, the Knicks were the seventh youngest team in the NBA with an average age of 24.6 years. That was also the fifth youngest team in franchise history.

    Last season, the Knicks average age was 26.5, which is still relatively young. But with the additions of Thomas (40), Jason Kidd (39), Camby (38) and the reported signing of Argentinian point guard Pablo Prigioni (35), the Knicks will have an average age of 31.4 years at the start of the regular season. Six of the 11 players on the anticipated roster will be 30 or older.

    "I haven't seen a young team win an NBA title in the last 10 to 15 years," Woodson said last week. "It's the veteran guys who are winning NBA titles."

    Woodson is correct in that the more veteran teams have won in recent years, no team has won a championship with an average age over 30 in 15 years. The last over-30 team to win an NBA title was the 1997 Chicago Bulls, who had an average age of 30.07. And they had Michael Jordan.

    The last six champions, by average age:

    2012 - Heat (28.4)

    2011- Mavericks (28.4)

    2010 - Lakers (27.6)

    2009 - Lakers (26.2)

    2008 - Celtics (28.4)

    2007 - Spurs (29.4)

    [NOTE: Average age isn't really relative because you can have older players on the roster who aren't factoring into your rotation (i.e.: Juwan Howard on the Heat) but jack up your average age. This would be the case for the Knicks with Kurt Thomas, who isn't expected to play a regular role. A formula was established by Hoopism.com two seasons ago to determine "Effective Age," which takes age and factors in minutes played. We won't be able to determine the Effective Age of this current Knicks group until at least one month into the season, but with a few more roster spots to be filled, the average age could dip below 30. Unless Grant Hill signs, of course.]


    SUMMER SCHOOL

    The Knicks Summer League contingent hasn't done much to distract anyone from the off-the-court news the team has made since the NBA Summer League opened on Friday. The team is 0-2 after losses to the Grizzlies and Suns. Two veterans that are expected to factor into training camp are James White and Chris Copeland and both have been mediocre at best. Copeland is leading the team in scoring, along with Wesley Witherspoon, at 12.5 points per game. Copeland, the European veteran, is shooting at a 44 percent clip in 24.5 minutes per game.

    White, who already has a guaranteed contract for training camp, clearly isn't playing full speed as we haven't seen many flashes of his trademark athleticism and vertical leaping ability, not to mention the scoring he showed playing in Italy last season. He's averaging 4.5 points on 25 percent shooting in 22 minutes per game in two games so far. His plan was to appear in only three games, with the intention to use the Summer League as a means to get acclimated with Woodson and his system to prepare him for camp in October.

    The Knicks do not play Monday, but we'll be back on MSG Network for the team's third game, Tuesday, at 4 p.m. (ET).

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    Originally Posted by Red
    LIN = David Lee

    In terms if being good and right at one price and not so much so at another.

    I believe there were no plans to have Lin start. Kidd seems more like a Woodson guard. Between him Felt and Lin, Kidd plays the best defense. I think the plan was to bring Linsanity off the bench, especially with Kidd immediately gunning for the final 6 minutes. He sounded as if Woodson sold him on closing out games.

    IF Lin wanted what we had to offer he would have signed the origianl offer sheet.

    IF Lin was a team player he would understand what the potential cap implications are. $40mil with the Tax is ridiculous.

    For the original deal I think Dolan & co. would accept it and use Lin for what he is, including the option in the final year. Lin was good (supposedly), Dolan was good, obviously the Rockets were good...

    it was Lin that pursued a change in the deal. It was Lins decision NOT to play last playoffs. And truth be told, until Linsanity Lin's play didn't convince anyone he was worth anywhere near his offer, so...

    My point in saying that is that he must do more to earn that $, he can't just ride the wave of a spectacle. He wants to get paid like a high round pick, all because of Linsanity. It has went to his head, hence his decisions.

    This may be his humbling. and IF he is signed

    pressure x 1,000.

    First of all: Lin and David Lee are completely different situations. Comparing the two is ridiculous. If we kept David Lee, we wouldn't have had the cap room for stat. No stat=no melo, and while some people may say that would have been better....personally I'd prefer stat and melo over Lee and Gallo.

    Second of all: I'm tired of people giving Lin crap for not playing in the playoffs last year
    Are you the doctor who looked at his MRI and diagnosed him prior to the playoff game? Unless the answer is yes, you do not have any place to decide how hurt he was. Anybody who has ever played sports competitively understands that some injuries take time to heal, while others are easier to come back from...It depends on the type and severity of the injury.

    Third thing: Why do people keep saying he's not worth the money, as if they are the ones writing the checks?
    I agree that if i'm James Dolan, Jeremy Lin isn't worth the money. Yes, it is true that the past year Lin helped put through the MSG Time Warner deal, which was worth about $100 million to the Dolan family personally. Also, i'm sure he helped sell some season tickets/justify the raise in price. However, if you're Dolan, the Timewarner deal is set in stone and the tickets have already been sold. So, why spend 60-70 million on Lin when Dolan has already gotten what he needs out of him? With that said, as fans, we should think he is worth the money. The reason we should think he's worth it is because matching his offer doesn't change or cap restrictions, and it undoubtedly makes our team better and more exciting to watch. It seems as if the people who say he isn't worth the money care about whether Dolan, the billionaire, has to shell out 60 million to a guy who already made him 100 million. The bottom line is it only helps the team to match the offer.

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    Originally Posted by VeryGundy
    I also believe that Kidd came over to start. There was never any plan to start Lin over Kidd. Woodson plays a half-court iso offense. He doesn't need an up-tempo guard. Kidd is perfect for that role. What I don't understand is the signing of Felton. He sucks at half-court sets. Why would Woodson even want him?

    As for your statements about Lin being greedy and not a team player, I don't know of anyone who would be so noble to leave 25 mil at the table and take lesser money from Dolan because Dolan can't afford the luxury tax. This ain't charity. When Lin was sleeping on his brother's couch, did Dolan offer to pay for his room? No, he was going to cut Lin.

    So tell me again. Why was it wrong for Lin to go for the more lucrative contract?
    its not about greed. Its about your word, your intentions. He got an offer, the Knicks gave their word they would match and their plans going forward, he apparently agreed, then said nothing when he decided to fly out to vegas and change the deal.

    We probably wont match as a matter of principle. And what I also meant was that if anything he could have structured a deal that kept us from the high luxuary tax threshold.

    Its also about earning your money. Lin hasn't earned $25 mil guaranteed.
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    Originally Posted by BillyHoyle
    First of all: Lin and David Lee are completely different situations. Comparing the two is ridiculous. If we kept David Lee, we wouldn't have had the cap room for stat. No stat=no melo, and while some people may say that would have been better....personally I'd prefer stat and melo over Lee and Gallo.
    But the price was right at one price, not so much at another. They both were fan favorites for many reasons (wink). Loved em'! Had chance to sign em'. match em'... long term plans considered, none were guaranteed.

    Second of all: I'm tired of people giving Lin crap for not playing in the playoffs last year
    Are you the doctor who looked at his MRI and diagnosed him prior to the playoff game? Unless the answer is yes, you do not have any place to decide how hurt he was. Anybody who has ever played sports competitively understands that some injuries take time to heal, while others are easier to come back from...It depends on the type and severity of the injury.
    Actually I'm not a doctor but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
    Look it was Lin who said he was 85%. It was up to him to play, he was practicing full speed.. to me he didn't want to risk big money. Fine. But then when people say his resume of 35 games isn't enough to warrant $25 mil who do we blame?

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    Third thing: Why do people keep saying he's not worth the money, as if they are the ones writing the checks?
    I agree that if i'm James Dolan, Jeremy Lin isn't worth the money. Yes, it is true that the past year Lin helped put through the MSG Time Warner deal, which was worth about $100 million to the Dolan family personally. Also, i'm sure he helped sell some season tickets/justify the raise in price. However, if you're Dolan, the Timewarner deal is set in stone and the tickets have already been sold. So, why spend 60-70 million on Lin when Dolan has already gotten what he needs out of him? With that said, as fans, we should think he is worth the money. The reason we should think he's worth it is because matching his offer doesn't change or cap restrictions, and it undoubtedly makes our team better and more exciting to watch. It seems as if the people who say he isn't worth the money care about whether Dolan, the billionaire, has to shell out 60 million to a guy who already made him 100 million. The bottom line is it only helps the team to match the offer.
    Because we care about the team being fiscally responsible with the BUDGET

    not sure if a repaired meniscus is worth it

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    Originally Posted by Red
    its not about greed. Its about your word, your intentions. He got an offer, the Knicks gave their word they would match and their plans going forward, he apparently agreed, then said nothing when he decided to fly out to vegas and change the deal.

    We probably wont match as a matter of principle. And what I also meant was that if anything he could have structured a deal that kept us from the high luxuary tax threshold.

    Its also about earning your money. Lin hasn't earned $25 mil guaranteed.
    Of course Lin shouldn't be making $25 mil in the real world. But NBA is the fantasyland. That's why we are so addicted to it. I wish I could play like Melo and earn 20 mil a year without spending hours and hours at the library. But don't get caught up in numbers. Dolan has a whole army of financial analysts to balance his checkbooks.

    As far as I am concerned, I want Lin back because of that SSS of 25-game brilliance. I've seen Felton play and I don't think he will be the right guy to take NYK to the next level. I've seen Kidd play and I don't think he could reverse the aging process.

    Lastly, neither one of us knows what went on between NYK and Lin. Lin strikes me as someone who will honor his words. Dolan, OTOH, is not someone to be trusted. But that's just my opinion. I don't want to drag into a debate about something that media portrayed without any reliable source.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    But the price was right at one price, not so much at another. They both were fan favorites for many reasons (wink). Loved em'! Had chance to sign em'. match em'... long term plans considered, none were guaranteed.
    No, the difference is the price was wrong for lee because signing him meant we couldn't get Stat. The price is right for Lin because signing him does not prevent any future possible moves, it only allows for more.

    Originally Posted by Red
    Actually I'm not a doctor but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
    Look it was Lin who said he was 85%. It was up to him to play, he was practicing full speed.. to me he didn't want to risk big money. Fine. But then when people say his resume of 35 games isn't enough to warrant $25 mil who do we blame?
    Funny, but the "85 %" idea is ridiculous. People don't heal in percentages. He either was healthy enough to play or the injury prevented him from doing what he needed. Obviously, since we didn't see him in a game, Lin felt he wasn't ready to come back.

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    Because we care about the team being fiscally responsible with the BUDGET

    not sure if a repaired meniscus is worth it
    Once again, why do you care...60 million for Stat/Melo/Chandler prevents any future flexibility. The ability to sign lin is a gift bc of the early bird rights. It's not fiscally responsible to not match the offer. The money comes straight from Dolan, which personally does not bother me.

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    I thought if they got RayRay it was done but I don't know. Match and then trade Lin next year well before the repeater luxury tax kicks in. You would still need RayRay to take over when you traded Lin, that would be a brilliant move if Gruny had that as the plan.

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