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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Sometimes "Chris Broussard" says the dummest shuuut....why would a
    NBA team give "Shrewed Bussinessman Dolan" one of the missing links
    (a decent backup PG) to make the Knicks a strong competitor team in
    the postseason games without being rewarded four times the worth of
    Flynn or Session....Owners were not happy with Dolan sitting and chatting
    with CP3 during the CBA Lock-Out meetings.

    Real Talk....if the Knicks started the season with a real NBA headcoach that
    wouldve prepare for this rugged 66 tight game schedule by starting the
    season with a 10+ man rotation each game (preparing 13 players) in a 2-unit
    line-up fashion to get players familiar with each other talents for the back to
    back to back schedules without any practices our record would be the same
    as Denvers, Portland, Houston, Utah, Indiana, or one game ahead or behind
    the 76ers. All our players trade-value wouldve risen under a long rotation
    headcoach....we have young fresh legs on our bench with inside/outside
    scoring & defense we couldve developed into a lineup.
    ......... I couldn't have said this any better, just wish MSG had some normal folks working over there to pass the message on lol.

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    I would trade Jordan for some sort of guard.

    Honestly I have not been impressed at all with what I've seen from him. He doesn't play defense well at all, and doesn't really rebound... Even though I knew what I saw was very limited it is normally enough time to tell if hes going to be effective or not, and honestly I think Jefferies is a better player than he is.

    Hes 7 feet so his skill is irrelavent, someone will give us a decent point guard for him imo.

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    Originally Posted by KnicksWillRiseAgain
    So Chris Broussard said that the Knicks offered the Rockets a package of Renaldo Balkman and Mike Bibby for Johnny Flynn. One can only assume that they have offered this package to other teams including Cleveland for Ramon Sessions. My question is tho, can we really get anything for Renaldo Balkman and Mike Bibby AT ALL?!? Or is Grunwald just a nutcase?
    Maybe a pop tart? Without the icing.

    I kid. I kid. With Balkman's salary -- no. We may be able to give them both to a team for a good player and take some bad contracts back.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    If Balkman, Bibby, Jeff, Novak, Jordan, Jorts, Shump, and Lin were used in
    the right way off the bench to provide offense/defense help for Tyson, Stat,
    Melo, Fields, and TD, our bench players trade-value depth wouldve risen sky high.
    TD couldve started every game, and be substituted the first 4 minutes to
    throw oponents into a loop by putting in a veteran Bibby to finish the first
    quarter. Shump & Lin starting the 2nd quarter of each game wouldve been
    preparing our backcourt for the back to back to back schedule.
    woah woah woah, Lin off the bench??!? no way!

    please tell me its a mistake that you have douglas in that starting 5

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    With teams now doubling Lin....having Balkman in the game with him running the basket at all times would be great. With Balkman's athleticism coupled by his lack of shot (no one is gonna guard him), i see a lot of easy dunks for him.

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    Originally Posted by clumsy
    With teams now doubling Lin....having Balkman in the game with him running the basket at all times would be great. With Balkman's athleticism coupled by his lack of shot (no one is gonna guard him), i see a lot of easy dunks for him.
    Exactly! But Mike D'Assholio only plays players who are in his rotation and doesnt play anyone else. Its disgusting that Douglas gets more minutes then Balkman.

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    Originally Posted by KnicksWillRiseAgain
    Exactly! But Mike D'Assholio only plays players who are in his rotation and doesnt play anyone else. Its disgusting that Douglas gets more minutes then Balkman.
    Lin was not in his rotation,,,,,either was Novak.....
    Lets play everyone , every game that would simply be brilliant....

    here we go again .................

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Lin was not in his rotation,,,,,either was Novak.....
    Lets play everyone , every game that would simply be brilliant....

    here we go again .................
    You can play everyone, every game if the situation calls for it. It's called coaching on the fly.

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    Originally Posted by serendipity10
    Best thing the Knicks can do is give Jerome Jordan and Balkman a chance.
    I'd like to see that. I don't know about Balkman other than that one explosive game he had a few weeks back and Jordan hasn't been getting enough consecutive MPG to see any difference he makes.

    Originally Posted by serendipity10
    The only way the Knicks are going to win games now is through defense. I know the Knicks aren't known for defense, but it is going to look look better the next two weeks.
    Totally agree with your assessment of the team. Walker also rotates quickly, so he can get in people's faces. Douglas isn't bad at staying in front of people either, so he works when filling in too.

    A lot of this leads up to "Chandler at one end, Chandler at the other" though. Either a rebound or a block, pass to a guard, and then a pass inside or alley-oop for a score. We could use more proficient rebounders (STAT, Jeffries, Jordan, et al.)

    With Lin on the floor, the Knick players are getting more comfortable in their roles and are more aggressive with their defense; the speed and hustle guys like Jeffries show is pretty awesome. Thankfully when Jeremy and Iman take the floor, we have a two-pronged offense; both can stymie opposing teams with penetration ability (because Douglas and Fields can't, 'Melo's always been too hurt to finish).

    But Chandler needs help offensively, especially on teams with a legit big man or two of their own. Because Jefferies is mainly a defender, Jordan is an unknown, and Douglas isn't being used (dude still has a good mid-ranger), how IS Balkman able to handle the 4-position?

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    You can play everyone, every game if the situation calls for it. It's called coaching on the fly.
    Yeah you have a bench for a reason and its not just to pay guys to sit on it and watch some old jagaloon scream "lets go lets GO!" at nothing. Balkman should be getting at least 5 minutes a night when this team is completely healthy, Novak should be getting at least 15.

    12:00-7-6:00 minutes of the first quarter should be

    Lin
    Fields
    Melo
    Amare
    Tyson

    7-6:00 to 3-2:00 minutes it should be

    Lin
    Shumpert
    Melo
    Balkman
    Tyson

    3:00 to the end of the first should be

    Bibby
    Douglas
    Melo
    Novak
    Jordan

    and start the 2nd with

    PG Lin
    SG Fields
    SF Novak
    PF Balkman
    C Amare

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    I agree with keeping Jordan and Balkman, but would want to use them more. I am not sure how to force D'Antoni to do this, however, since he still thinks he is a genius.

    I would trade them for someone of the Reggie Evans mold or any backup center that D'Antoni would actually use, but not for a point guard.

    I would look to trade Douglas and Walker for Sessions or some other decent point guard and/or draft picks.

    Bibby would be expendable if we get back a point guard as good as Sessions or better and/or if the draft picks are not lottery protected.

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