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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Nate is horrible.

    And these teams were thrown together with no chemistry no sense of camaraderie or team. Any player that was added or signed or put on those teams was on notice the goal was to clear them out for the 2010 offseason. Anyone that played well early was shipped out, and if moving any of them meant clearing cap room, it was getting done. Not an environment where any team can succeed.
    I don't agree that he's horrible, but whatever.

    I can't argue with you there about a lot of distractions, trades, new additions, etc., but I think we could have won some more games if it wasn't for D'Antoni's poor decisions.

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    After that breakout game, Chandler said that Lin had been performing this way in practice for awhile. So what took coach so long to play him? D'antoni tells us one day that he is trying everything to turn the team around. A week or maybe even two, after Lin finally play, he said he was "scared" to play him. Coach, make up your mind, and also, let's give this other 7 footer a boost of confidence and give him some meaningful minutes and the chance to bust or break out

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    Damn.....it's real bad when u can not convince a few Dantoni-fans that
    u FIRE a clueless-headcoach with so many coaching tools missing ASAP.

    Phoenix FIRED Dantoni....why? he made the postseason 4 out of 5 seasons?

    how many headcoaches in the NBA has been labled as an offensive-headcoach?

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    Maybe he pulls out a Coughlin .... lol he should get some coaching tips from him

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    Originally Posted by Oakman88
    Here is a question for everyone. With the 3 game streak we have just won, the apparent team chemistry and the emergence of J Lin. Would everyone still take the chance and fire Dantoni and effectively promote Mike Woodson as the head coach? Or would you ride out this season than fire after?

    Another question is, if we make the playoffs do you fire Dantoni? Or extend him for a year, giving him a full training camp with the Knicks.
    since this team is owned by an idiot, his moves will be dictated by asses in the seats, merchandise sales,
    etc. hence, if coach Macaroni takes the Knicks to the playoffs, I think his contract will be extended.
    remember D'oh-lan extended Zeke's contract after a brief winning streak a few years ago (followed by disaster)

    Also, the genius of putting Lintastic in the lin-up has filled the yellow section of the garden (jk),
    so, aside from making the team better, Lintoni has filled a marketing need as well.
    at this point you can't even consider firing a winning coach with the emergence of the
    33 chambers of Shaolin, and the impending return of 2 1/2 superstars into the mix.

    these Fire D'Antoni threads just have to stop, at least for awhile. I absolutely hate the guy,
    but each and every new thread is a waste of space, filled with boring repetition.
    can't we just agree to enjoy the Knicks resurgence, take it as it comes, and watch Macaroni
    ride Lin like a pony into the ground... or not?

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    Originally Posted by amazinz5
    youre a joke. this is the first time he's had a squad he can really compete with and they're 3-0, despite missing stat and melo. why would you count his record from when the FO wasn't even trying to put a winning team out there?
    My signature is all the proof I need. Antoni is a phoney.

    Jeremy Lin is the new head coach of the New York Knicks.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    ^^ Not a D'Ants fan but I agree. If he wins it all, I'll eat crow, the margin of error in winning a ring comes down to which team had the better coaching and game plan sometimes so if the Knicks take it all, I'll take my hat off to D'Antoni.
    It comes down to who wants to WIN...who wants to Box out and play DEFENSE...any team that has these players and is truly motivated can win. D'Antoni sucks...the bench is playing its heart out for the chance to play....
    1. WE HAD NO POINT GUARD...until Lin.....
    2. Lets see Lin vs. KOBE vs. Nash vs. Rondo vs...Durant vs the BULLS MVP....
    3. I think he can make Amare as he has made Chandler a superstar...
    4. Is there enough time to make the playoffs with Amare and Melo out?
    5 . I watched Boston vs the Lakers....the Knicks can play well against either at full strength with Lin and a healthy Davis back....

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Damn.....it's real bad when u can not convince a few Dantoni-fans that
    u FIRE a clueless-headcoach with so many coaching tools missing ASAP.

    Phoenix FIRED Dantoni....why? he made the postseason 4 out of 5 seasons?

    how many headcoaches in the NBA has been labled as an offensive-headcoach?
    I see Phoenix have been doing really well in his absence. Also I doubt Stoudamire would have been in New York had they not hired D'Antoni as a coach.

    I'm still undecided on this one. The defence is markedly better this year, while the offence is on the up now that a play maker exists. All this with - yet again- a brand new team.

    Unless something goes incredibly wrong, my verdict remains undecided until the end of the season.

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    No, but I would fire a lot of posters on this board.

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    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    You're making this too complicated, Red. I was just speaking to a very simple, but important truth:

    our record last year (**and playoff performance) exceeded the expectations of the vast majority of professional basketball analysts, and KO members -- particularly, those KO members who feel D'antoni is a poor coach.

    That isn't my perception; it is reality.

    However you choose to interpret that reality, after the fact, and play that into a current critique of MDA is your call.

    But facts are facts. I don't think you want to accept that; if you legit don't believe it, then I'll be more than happy to dig up what people said in the official season prediction/analysis threads on here, and scour for some of many pro analyst opinions.

    **I know you'll bring up "SWEEP SWEEP SWEEP", but I'm not afraid to mention the playoffs, too, though I could have just discussed the reg season. The sweep is besides the point, insofar as we were never expected to, nor in a position based off of talent, to beat BOS. What is important and telling is that we competed as viciously with BOS for the first two games as we did, and they had to rely upon such small margins of good fortune and good ref calls, which speaks to the preparedness and edge we cultivated during the regular season to play better as a whole than the sum of our parts would indicate.
    I'm sure you could pull a lot of people saying one thing but it turned out to be another- we could all do that in every sport.

    The real issue I'm speaking of is toward those who paint this rosey picture of "pre-melo".

    The "facts" pre-melo are:

    Terrible on defense
    Terrible on the boards
    Injuries mounting
    Wasting players on the bench
    A .500 team

    And if we look just at the playoffs there were terrible coaching decisions made sans injuries. Those are the details.

    So yeah we might have overachieved in regards to some expectations, but that in no way should take priority over the many little things that weren't great at all.

    If I said I can give you a playoff team without gaurantee they will win anything, yet almost last in defense, would you take that? Knowing being almost last in defense means you mind as well not made the playoffs.

    And I'm not saying fire Mike, just let's not forget. Let's put tings into perspective.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    I'm sure you could pull a lot of people saying one thing but it turned out to be another- we could all do that in every sport.

    The real issue I'm speaking of is toward those who paint this rosey picture of "pre-melo".

    The "facts" pre-melo are:

    Terrible on defense
    Terrible on the boards
    Injuries mounting
    Wasting players on the bench
    A .500 team

    And if we look just at the playoffs there were terrible coaching decisions made sans injuries. Those are the details.

    So yeah we might have overachieved in regards to some expectations, but that in no way should take priority over the many little things that weren't great at all.

    If I said I can give you a playoff team without gaurantee they will win anything, yet almost last in defense, would you take that? Knowing being almost last in defense means you mind as well not made the playoffs.

    And I'm not saying fire Mike, just let's not forget. Let's put tings into perspective.
    Interesting gif you've got going there. I notice it names Paul Pierce 'player of the Wee' on the bottom. Just got that little bit better.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    I'm sure you could pull a lot of people saying one thing but it turned out to be another- we could all do that in every sport.

    The real issue I'm speaking of is toward those who paint this rosey picture of "pre-melo".

    The "facts" pre-melo are:

    Terrible on defense
    Terrible on the boards
    Injuries mounting
    Wasting players on the bench
    A .500 team

    And I'm not saying fire Mike, just let's not forget. Let's put tings into perspective.
    Well, I'm all on board with that.

    *defense

    *rebounding

    *potentially useful players getting chances

    Those are metrics I've held since last year, to judge the success of this year -- and MDA's coaching -- to.

    Especially, defense.

    Yo, I don't bitch that Melo-Amare *can't* co-exist. I was one of the first to articulate why I think they could be lethal together.

    I don't mention pre-Melo like it was some fantasy, and the good ol' days.

    We're a better team now, and it that past shouldn't be glorified -- whether that opens up convenient excuses for D'antoni as coach, or a player.

    But you have find it odd that some people who evaluated D'antoni last year, and the entire team, in definitive terms and language said: we would have X, Y, Z as a result -- directly because of D'antoni, and their evaluation of D'antoni's capabilities.

    And then X, Y, Z didn't happen.

    The same people are acting like that simply never happened? People say lots, like you said, but certain major things have to be held into account when it's still relevant -- if even its, "hey, you were surprised once, maybe you'll be surprised again".

    It'd be like MDA and the team tanking the rest of the way, even with Lin playing still reasonably well, but the team never getting its **** together, or scraping into the playoffs only to get embarrassed.

    Me? I'd take a big step back on that one, and re-evaluate just how trustworthy my views of MDA had been. Because my assessment of his skills as a coach, compared to the metrics/reality tied to it, ended up whack.

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    I'd fire him at end of season, Only because I don't believe in firing a coach halfway through a season and replacing him with an interum coach who is also a lame duck. D'Antoni's not a good coach, his system may be exciting and I think could work if he also coached his young players. I think D'Antoni should be the NFL equivalent of an offensive co-ordinator.
    I think J-lin. is the sole reason for the turn around.
    D'Antoni doesn't teach his young guards like shumpert and Douglas to be PG's. He lets the guys figure out what they should be doing themselves.
    It was never more aparent in that one game shumpert was 1-9...while amare and melo had 1 or 2 shots each and he left him out on the floor in the first quarter while the memphis went up by double digits. He should hae benched him and explained, get those guys going, esp if your shots not falling. Distribute, share the ball. Let everyone know, if they get it and give it back, they probably will get it again. Drive...drive drive. Just because a guy stays a couple steps back, doesn't mean that it's always the best play to take that open jumper. Sometimes it is, but not when your 1-9 ended 3-15 in first half and 5-20 at end. should have had the chance to take 15 shots in first half. which was more then amare and melo had at the end .amare 7 shots in game, melo 11 shots in entire game, 18 between them, ...shumpert's 20 out shot both of the studs combined and didn't get benched! he didn't even try! no penetration, no distribution, no sharing, just lazy shots and he wasn't benched...what kind of message is that to a rookie? Lack of direction starts with the head coach. Can be covered up if you have a Floor general, play making PG in this system, Like Nash used to be and like Lin has been so far, hope he continues.
    it's as if, D'Antoni, doesn't know what type of guard play to encourage to make his system work, that he doesn't know how to get that sort of play from his players. He just lets TD and Shumpert play, how they always have as shooting guards...while a good coach, would have emphisized sharing, distributing, pick and roll and penetration which are the keys to this offense. TD and Shumpert are no better at those then they were in college, before Mike D coached them.
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    Originally Posted by jzero29
    I think J-lin. is the sole reason for the turn around.
    BINGO!

    But *all* that kept getting repeated *before* Lin got here was a million variations on:

    "a PG isn't there real problem"

    "a PG won't just turn us around"

    etc etc etc etc,

    Re: all the discussions on a healthy Baron Davis coming, and why we were struggling so much.

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    I don't advocate Mike's coaching M.O. Not at all.

    It's unnecessary to reiterate my qualms with Mike, as a lot of others on KO.com repeat those shortcomings like some sort of mantra, in depth or no.

    All considered, he's certainly done enough and/or not enough to warrant the boot.

    We've all seen the F ups with both the pre Melo and post Melo teams, and Mike has a tendency (or is it a preference) to remain set in adamant about his winning/losing ways. Either way, he's become predictable and limited.

    As for the remainder of the season, no, I don't think Mike should get the ass.

    Whatever rapport, respect, or niche he's found over the first 26 games will have to be the wave we ride in to the post-season (yes, we will get there) plainly because we can not afford to start again from scratch in this shortened season, with limited practices.. Whatever the circumstance, firing Mike now would be inane.

    Let him have his lame-duck year, put him under the scrutiny and pressure of NY's fans and media, and he'll then have played his tune to the last note and be judged. I'm sure STAT and Carmelo would appreciate being afforded the same treatment, overpaid or no.

    Will Mike get an encore once that final note's sounded? I doubt that very much. Would I miss his ways and wants? Christ no!

    But, as I say, to burn Mike now would set up another transitional period that this team simply can't afford to endure considering its record.

    Mike is also not entirely to blame for the debacles this team has meandered through on the court, but has definitely been the whipping boy.

    All taken in to account, yes, D'Antoni is/can be a tool, but to evict him now may well conjure up a worse scenario with an interim ring in, as adjustments and growing pains unfold for better or, much more likely, worse.

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