We're paying him $100M, it's every fans RIGHT to expect him to ATTEMPT to play defense like he USED to do. He's really hurt us more than helped us. You stick ANY NBA starting PF in that role with Lin dishing him the ball and he'll get close to the same numbers that Stat's putting up and probably much LESS turnovers and maybe even a little D.
Dallas attacked Stat ALL GAME long tonight, scoring easy bucket after easy bucket. We take Stat out and put JJ in and what happens? Those easy buckets stop. Also, many of Lin's turnovers are at the hands of Stat... Literally. He fumbles so many easy passes and rebounds it's sickening. He barely sets the screen on pick & rolls. He hasn't been diving for lose balls and it looks like he's not even trying out there.
Bottom line is we play better without him in the lineup because our defense is better and most nights under Lin we REALLY DON'T NEED his scoring anways.
Maybe he'll improve but right now I'm pretty upset with his play or lack there of. Don't take it as I hate him, I just hate how he's playing right now. Maybe if he had to earn his playing time, he'll try to improve his game.
Last edited by KingofNy; Feb 20, 2012 at 01:08.
The problem is, some people, respected posters, post exaggerations of Amare, other people pick up and start to run with them.
I've bolded parts of your post which are obvious exaggerations.
I've seen people talking about how Amare makes 0 effort on D which is totally untrue. No he does not exert the same effort as Jared Jeffries but he does try on probably 75%+ of possessions. Is that enough? No, but to say he takes every play off is purely false.
I've also read how he cannot hit a shot, especially jumpshots. I don't know what games these people are watching. Apart from tonight Amare's jumper has been on these last few games.
While I agree STAT needs to improve, on the offensive end he can still be a top 5 PF in this league and for people to want to trade him for Kris Humphries and Anthony Morrow is mind-boggling.
Stat is supposed to be an All-Star forward and if he was playing like one the Knicks could be real contenders.
Lin = Top 5
Melo = Top 5
Tyson = Top 5
Jr Smith/Fields = Not top 5 but Very good
Stat = Should be Top 5
If Stat can get back to Top 5 and we can get the chemistry flowing we have a REAL team. A team that is so deadly you really have to seriously guard anyone that touches the ball anywhere on the court.
LOL, if 4 of our guys are TOP 5 where are LeBron, Wade, Paul, Kobe, Durant etc?
LOL i'll say it once and i'll say it again.
Barbosa (expiring) + Amir Johnson for Amare.
Toronto finally gets 2 P&R bigmen. They already have a good P&R point guard in Calderon. They will just need defensive role players to fill out their team.
We get another toughnose, defensive big man with more offensive skill than Jared Jeffries. He can work in the P&R decently. We now have cap room to resign cats next year.
Amare not playing inside the paint means he doesn't bring any value to our team...i'd rather have Novak shooting midrangers than Amare.
Novak and Amir can take Amare's time.
There's a difference between criticizing a player which some ppl are doing me included and bashing a player which is what other ppl are doing.
Amar'e did have one good play though. When Melo passed it to him and he posterized a Net (I don't remember who it was), I was like, THAT'S the Amar'e I need to see. He annihilated that guy. But without the ability to make a jump shot he's just a big man who dunks once in a while, and nothing special.
So many things went wrong with tonights game pinning it on STAT is silly but he did not play well no question.
It's all about defense when you look at what has happened these past ten games (and of course, finally having a point guard)... last night not having Shump made a big difference
But no doubt we are not seeing the same Stat from previous years. Not sure if his back has to do with it, if he's looking to stay out of foul trouble, if his knees are starting to show up, if its the extra weight... whatever it is, I'm not on board for us getting rid of him. Im rooting for him to turn it around and contribute effectively. Thats what every true Knick fan should be doing instead of crying for a trade that isnt gonna happen!!!
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i dont mind amare shooting from the elbow, he's normally a very good mid range shooter. the problem is that he isnt right now. what i do have a problem with is elbow jumpers with 15+ seconds on the clock. its a waste of his superior athleticism. under 10 seconds, we may not get a better look or we could turn it over trying to force one. it pisses me off that hes settling for the jumper without even looking at the paint. if he buys into team ball he'll take a dribble or two and dump it off once he sees the second defender coming. there has to be some middle ground between elbow jumpers and soft ass layups with 3 defenders within arms reach.
I think the answer is pretty obvious.
We need to start a movement to get STAT to wear his old goggles and lose the gazelles!!!
Last edited by unloopme; Feb 21, 2012 at 13:38.