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    Thumbs down Do the Knicks Practice?

    How did we lose at home (MSG) to a team that was playing on
    their last legs in their 3rd game in 3 nights?

    Do we practice?
    Seriously, what guard was practicing with Davis & Melo while injured?
    Why wasnt Davis, JR, and Melo put in a trio-lineup to work at tightening the
    scews/bolts in their game? They played like shiiit together.

    We had a Starters/Finishers lineup in Tyson/Jeff/Fields/Shump/and Lin-Sanity....
    Hell no! I dont believe Shump was injured....
    Dantoni have the chance to make this Knicks team into a 2-unit team....
    offense & defense
    Davis/JR/Melo/Novak/Stat -vs- Lin/Shump/Fields/Jeff/Tyson are red-hot
    Melo & Stat receiving 35+ minutes resulted in a Knicks loss at home....
    The two super-stars are high-scorers, they're not complimentary-team-players

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    Originally Posted by NYCLakerfan
    This game was good because even though they played horrible they never gave up or had bad body language it's just a tough situation integrating all these players at the same time and have D Will go off like that plus terrible officiating.
    +1 for the intruder that always gives an unbiased and on target assessment of what is happening... good to have you on board and may God help your Lakers start their vacations early this spring

    If you see an egg hatching and help out the chick instead of letting it hatch on its own, it will grow weak and die in no time. Defeats like this one will make us much stronger. Obvious lessons from last night were: never underestimate any opponent, defend the 3point line and make the ****ing free throws. Also, it was a good reminder of the value Shumpert brings to the team now that he may lose minutes with JR and Baron in the mix.

    If you look at history anywhere, the greatest victories were a result of overcoming great challenges. Giants winning the Super Bowl this year is just the most recent example. And I firmly believe we will look back at games like the Hornets and Nets and see that they were part of the puzzle that led us to ultimate victory.

    Some quotes for us to keep our faith after suffering for decades!!!:


    Success is sweet: the sweeter if long delayed and attained through manifold struggles and defeats (A. Branson Alcott)

    To climb steep hills requires a slow pace at first (William Shakespeare)

    Good timber does not grow with ease. The stronger the wind the stronger the trees (J. Willard Marriott)

    If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant; if we did not sometimes taste of adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome (Anne Bradstreet)

    Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, ambition inspired, and success achieved (Helen Keller)

    Go without a coat when it's cold; find out what cold is. Go hungry; keep your existence lean. Wear away the fat, get down to the lean tissue and see what it's all about. The only time you define your character is when you go without. In times of hardship, you find out what you're made of and what you're capable of. If you're never tested, you'll never define your character (Henry Rollins)

    It's a good thing to have all the props pulled out from under us occasionally. It gives us some sense of what is rock under our feet, and what is sand (Madeleine L'Engle)

    If you go in search of honey, you must expect to encounter bees (Thomas Szasz)

    Always remember that striving and struggle precede success, even in the dictionary (Sarah Ban Breathnach)

    Education comes from within; you get it by struggle and effort and thought (Napoleon Hill)

    Where there is no struggle, there is no strength (Oprah Winfrey)

    If there is no struggle, there is no progress. (Frederick Douglass)

    The battle of life is, in most cases, fought uphill; and to win it without a struggle were perhaps to win it without honor. If there were no difficulties there would be no success; if there were nothing to struggle for, there would be nothing to be achieved. (Samuel Smiles)
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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    DWill wanted this game more, he even marked the game on the calender because he didn't see how people thought he was destroyed by Lin. This was a statement game. b4 the game, Mello said he saw that look in DWill's eyes and knew it was going to be a game.

    Anyway, Melo, B.Davis, Smith...and Stat just recently started playing..... together.....without much practice. Give them some time...chemistry dosen't come over night.
    I believe a guy named Jeremy Lin pretty much disproves chemistry doesn't happen overnight.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    How did we lose at home (MSG) to a team that was playing on
    their last legs in their 3rd game in 3 nights?
    Allowing a team of scrubs to beat you at home was never acceptable for a team who aspires to win championship. I don't see any silverlings from last night's disaster.

    Melo and his hubris will continue to be the biggest hurdle for MDA to overcome. STAT's clumsiness to rotate on defense and inability to protect the rim render him a real liability everytime the other team has the ball.

    In fact, both losses during this Linsanity era were the result of poor perimeter defense. DWill's hot shooting last night was emblematic of Lin's poor court awareness on defense. Lin's 4 steals do not offset all the open looks DWill got because he could not get around the screen.

    The soiree is officially over. Time to do some serious work.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    I believe a guy named Jeremy Lin pretty much disproves chemistry doesn't happen overnight.
    The Lin hype is blinding. Don’t let that streak fool you. It’s tough playing against a team without an identity. No one knew what to expect from Lin or the team. Fortunately, it worked out for us because everyone (other than Stat and Melo) wanted to prove their worth. Now with our Stars back in the rotation…Stars who have been the “go to guys” most of their careers are trying to adjust to what’s happening now. It will take time.

    edit: Oh...just to add..

    There’s no way we continue to win without them…even their experience and support from the bench was very helpful in getting us those wins. None of us can really judge this team just yet. JLin is playing so hard I feel he will collapse on the floor. He’s panting more and showing clear signs of fatigue. If you are sleeping on a couch one day and suddenly get a chance to start on a struggling team the next day....you’ll play extra hard and more focus too. Let’s wait a bit longer b4 either of us make more assumptions.

    What’s happening right now is special and out of the ordinary…they will either figure out how to co-exist…or changes will be made…nothing new.

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    Well, if both your forwards earning $40M/year combined grab equal amount boards your $700K point guard does then you know there was nothing positive about that game. When your superstars score less points than your backcourt sophomores you know that game was as bad as can be. When your best finisher causes almost twice more turnovers than your two ballhandlers combined you know someone has to work on himself. If your offensive beasts with huge contracts shoot under 40% against a bunch of defensive noobs you know someone's overpaid. If your team at its full steam loses to a .294 scrubs you know that game cannot be a positive.
    Yeah, fired your super stars and give their salary to the charity. I'll keep my mouth shut.

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    Dantoni is a BUM!

    Deron had about 20 points before halftime....Toney Douglas have to be
    showcase to raise his trade value, perfect time to use Toney Douglas.
    We had Davis, Lin, JR, and Fields in the first half that couldnt do nothing with
    Deron....pressure shouldve been put on Deron Williams in the 2nd half to throw
    him off.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Dantoni is a BUM!

    Deron had about 20 points before halftime....Toney Douglas have to be
    showcase to raise his trade value, perfect time to use Toney Douglas.
    We had Davis, Lin, JR, and Fields in the first half that couldnt do nothing with
    Deron....pressure shouldve been put on Deron Williams in the 2nd half to throw
    him off.
    seriously how could dantoni let shump's knee swell up when he uses him to stop other elite guards? did no one tell him this game is more important than the last month or two since he came back from that knee injury?

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Toney Douglas have to be showcase to raise his trade value, perfect time to use Toney Douglas.
    Toney Douglas should be nailed to the bench.. playing him could diminish whatever trade value he has left.

    Not sure whats wrong with him (maybe his shoulder is still bad), but he just is not playing good at all. Look at him when he guarded Rondo at the beginning of the season, and any of the games he played before getting his well deserved timeout. He got beat by the opposing PGs off the dribble every time.

    Nets wont be able to repeat that **** from last night when Shump is back in there. DWill beat us off the ball, going around screens and our guys always went under. Shump does a great job of guarding the off-da-ball guards.

    Stop hitting the panic button Kiya... you look like chicken little.


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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    The Lin hype is blinding. Don’t let that streak fool you. It’s tough playing against a team without an identity. No one knew what to expect from Lin or the team. Fortunately, it worked out for us because everyone (other than Stat and Melo) wanted to prove their worth. Now with our Stars back in the rotation…Stars who have been the “go to guys” most of their careers are trying to adjust to what’s happening now. It will take time.

    edit: Oh...just to add..

    There’s no way we continue to win without them…even their experience and support from the bench was very helpful in getting us those wins. None of us can really judge this team just yet. JLin is playing so hard I feel he will collapse on the floor. He’s panting more and showing clear signs of fatigue. If you are sleeping on a couch one day and suddenly get a chance to start on a struggling team the next day....you’ll play extra hard and more focus too. Let’s wait a bit longer b4 either of us make more assumptions.

    What’s happening right now is special and out of the ordinary…they will either figure out how to co-exist…or changes will be made…nothing new.
    Having a clueless headcoach with no incentive of a strategy or scouting report is
    why the Knicks loss at home (MSG) to a tired 3-day 3-game Nets team.

    How about win with our two-super-stars in a 10+ man rotation with a run-run
    transission plan when our oponents just played the past two nights....
    Why do u play a halfcourt offensive game? with no design-plays? no picks or
    screens for JR or Melo to score? no boxout for Tyson Chandler to rebound?
    Last I recall....
    Melo & Stat had a 1-9 record receiving 35+ minutes per game together, before
    the addition of Jeremy Lin in the starting lineup.
    What teammates do Melo & Stat co-exist with on this Knicks team to receive
    35+ minutes coming back from a 6 or 7 game lay off???
    We lost to the 6-23 Hornets with Stat

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    Im not sure if this loss was a positive but im 100% sure that Shumperts defense against other elite guards cannot be overlooked. Its a mother****in damn shame he aint in that rookie sophmore game

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    Originally Posted by amazinz5
    seriously how could dantoni let shump's knee swell up when he uses him to stop other elite guards? did no one tell him this game is more important than the last month or two since he came back from that knee injury?

    cut it out....Dantoni cant coach more than 7 guys in his rotation....Shump is out
    b/c Davis is in. Walker is out b/c JR is in. Somehow when Jorts hurt his wrist
    Jefferies was put in the rotation....WAKE-UP!
    Dantoni been doing this in Phoenix & New York
    Phoenix got tired of trading the first round picks just to trade one of Dantoni's DNP players...

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    cut it out....Dantoni cant coach more than 7 guys in his rotation....Shump is out
    b/c Davis is in. Walker is out b/c JR is in. Somehow when Jorts hurt his wrist
    Jefferies was put in the rotation....WAKE-UP!
    Dantoni been doing this in Phoenix & New York
    Phoenix got tired of trading the first round picks just to trade one of Dantoni's DNP players...
    omfg you mean injuries force him to use someone different? i'll call nydn, you call the post, we must get to the bottom of this.

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    Originally Posted by KingStarbury3
    Im not sure if this loss was a positive but im 100% sure that Shumperts defense against other elite guards cannot be overlooked. Its a mother****in damn shame he aint in that rookie sophmore game

    Some idiot played Shump as a PG....that's why he's not in the rookie/sophmore game.

    We used a three-guard offense to stretch the lead on the Mavs in the 2nd half....
    and we couldve used a 3-guard offense in the 2nd half to beat the Nets....

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    Originally Posted by amazinz5
    omfg you mean injuries force him to use someone different? i'll call nydn, you call the post, we must get to the bottom of this.
    is it a injury???????
    or did Dantoni want to put Jefferies in the lineup b/c we had NO DEFENSE

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