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    are soem you so fair weathered? summer 2010 you said good riddance david lee because we got Renaiisance Man much much better, and now want Lee back? but picture Lin and Lee, now that would have been something nice to watch with two players understand fundamentals.

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    Originally Posted by MadJack
    If I could go back in time, I would stop D'Antoni from being hired.
    That's the real reason Lebron didn't come here, and the reason
    we are underachieving right now.


    50 years of watching Knicks Basketball....Dantoni is the worst headcoach the
    Knicks organization hired. I thought Stu Jackson was terrible but Dantoni took
    it to another terrible level.

    When we sign Stat & Felton, F/C-David Lee shouldve been resign as a Keeper
    to go alongside of SF-Wilson Chandler....I also wouldve kept crazy Nate energy
    and hard work ethic in our lockerroom.

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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    @ that video idk what he was doing there but, if your debate is over a turnover. Lin has a crap load of turn overs in only a few games, he set the record for most turnovers in the amount of games he's started. Cp3 carried the hornets basically by his self for years and gave the lakers a run for their money in the playoff's & rejuvenated the clippers he makes everyone else around him better no matter who it is...you can throw him in mvp talks. Lin is still learning the game but has potential.
    Chris Paul would have been given a max even though there's a concern with knee(s). A lot of games last season he passed up on WIDE OPEN SHOTS. He's a punk because of what he did to New Orleans. I don't care that he saved himself for the Playoffs, do you really want a guy who thinks he deserves better than he had even though he's the one taking up a lot of cap space? David West didn't pull that crap, he left because of the Hornets' uncertain direction. He also went to a young rising team, not take the easy way out to join an already contender. I don't know why anyone would want that guy. If the Clippers get knocked out of the first or second round two years in a row don't expect him to stay in LA. His drive isn't the same anymore. Steve Nash never quit on his team.

    Lin penetrates constantly and has been a top 2 PG, even best player in the league for most of this run.

    You really think Chandler would take that much less to play with us? Tyson Chandler also deserves more money. He plays hard every game.
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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Chris Paul would have been given a max even though there's a concern with knee(s). A lot of games last season he passed up on WIDE OPEN SHOTS. He's a punk to what he did to New Orleans. I don't care that he saved himself for the Playoffs, do you really want a guy who thinks he deserves better than he had even though he's the one taking up a lot of cap space? David West didn't pull that crap, he left because of the Hornets' uncertain direction. He also went to a young rising team, not take the easy way out to join an already contender. I don't know why anyone would want that guy. If the Clippers get knocked out of the first or second round two years in a row don't expect him to stay in LA. His drive isn't the same anymore. Steve Nash never quit on his team.

    Lin penetrates constantly and has been a top 2 PG, even best player in the league for most of this run.

    You really think Chandler would take that much less to play with us? Tyson Chandler also deserves more money. He plays hard every game.
    is cp3 not worth a max? his knees look just fine. If you want to talk knees and max's contracts Amare is the one who did not deserve a 100 mill contract and has bad knees. I've seen Lin pass up plenty wide open shots, whats your point? cp3 is shooting 44 % from 3 point land. 19 points almost 9 assist a game. How is he a punk to what he did to new orleans? if your a superstar in this league and your not happy with the direction your organization is moving and you feel there not doing anything to make a change, and you want to WIN, you don't sit around and be unhappy routing your career with the organization you ask for a request to be traded and continue your NBA journey. Cp3 actually went out classy there was no MELO DRAMA there was no DECISION MAKING INTERVIEW i dont see how he's a punk for that. David West left New orleans to go to a contender is he now labeled a punk to? he didn't come cheap did he? if i dont recall he was coming off a injury as well.

    Your saying David west went to a rising young team if im reading this correct right and not to a contender? The pacers before david west were already contenders

    The clippers were not contenders at all they would probably be a 10th seed in the west 9th at best. Adding cp3 is what made them contenders thats a fact.

    8,9 games as a starter and now your saying Lin is better than Cp3, Derrick Rose, Deron williams? It's mind-boggling how people can compare Lin's 8 games as a starter to other Elite Pg's who've been playing allstar levels there whole career not you personally just in general. You cant compare someones 8 games as a starter to derrick rose, or Cp3's career. The only thing you can compare are both players 1st games as starters to be fair.

    you said Lin is the best player in the league? why? how? he makes some layups for the most of his run? 8 games and he's now temporarily the best player in the league? he has nice numbers but best player in the league.... Not by a long shot my friend.

    you see with Lin defenses were not aware of what to expect from Lin, they did not know what he can do until about his 4th or 5th game. Now teams are starting to realize. He has no cross over moves, He cant go left, trap him and he loses his dribble, he's not secure with handling the ball put more pressure on him all these little things teams are noticing and will be making defensive changes to guard him. Its up to him to work on his game and improve, i love Lin just as much as any knick fan, but like i said before the kid is basically a rookie and still learning the game.

    Regarding tyson chandler, i dont think he's worth all the money we gave him he plays hard no doubt every night but the man is about to be 30 soon, he's injury prone, he's foul prone. 58 mill for 4 years? he's worth 35-40 mill nothing more Deandre Jordan is worth what were giving tyson chandler

    i do respect his leadership on the court and his defensive presence he's helped us big this year and has been the most consistent knick.

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    I would have never gave him all that loot,nfw. This was clearly a panic move by the brass. Fans were gathering their torches and pitch forks once they learned Lebron left the cash on the table. The brass had to get a big man that can score...plus Stat was familar with D'ants system. The desparation shows when they gave a uninsured contract to an ailing player...playing within an wear and tear system. There is no going back, unfortunately. The future really isn't all that bleak. A small change in coaching can easily remedy the headaches we face today.

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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    is cp3 not worth a max? his knees look just fine. If you want to talk knees and max's contracts Amare is the one who did not deserve a 100 mill contract and has bad knees. I've seen Lin pass up plenty wide open shots, whats your point? cp3 is shooting 44 % from 3 point land. 19 points almost 9 assist a game. How is he a punk to what he did to new orleans? if your a superstar in this league and your not happy with the direction your organization is moving and you feel there not doing anything to make a change, and you want to WIN, you don't sit around and be unhappy routing your career with the organization you ask for a request to be traded and continue your NBA journey. Cp3 actually went out classy there was no MELO DRAMA there was no DECISION MAKING INTERVIEW i dont see how he's a punk for that. David West left New orleans to go to a contender is he now labeled a punk to? he didn't come cheap did he? if i dont recall he was coming off a injury as well.

    Your saying David west went to a rising young team if im reading this correct right and not to a contender? The pacers before david west were already contenders

    The clippers were not contenders at all they would probably be a 10th seed in the west 9th at best. Adding cp3 is what made them contenders thats a fact.

    8,9 games as a starter and now your saying Lin is better than Cp3, Derrick Rose, Deron williams? It's mind-boggling how people can compare Lin's 8 games as a starter to other Elite Pg's who've been playing allstar levels there whole career not you personally just in general. You cant compare someones 8 games as a starter to derrick rose, or Cp3's career. The only thing you can compare are both players 1st games as starters to be fair.

    you said Lin is the best player in the league? why? how? he makes some layups for the most of his run? 8 games and he's now temporarily the best player in the league? he has nice numbers but best player in the league.... Not by a long shot my friend.

    you see with Lin defenses were not aware of what to expect from Lin, they did not know what he can do until about his 4th or 5th game. Now teams are starting to realize. He has no cross over moves, He cant go left, trap him and he loses his dribble, he's not secure with handling the ball put more pressure on him all these little things teams are noticing and will be making defensive changes to guard him. Its up to him to work on his game and improve, i love Lin just as much as any knick fan, but like i said before the kid is basically a rookie and still learning the game.

    Regarding tyson chandler, i dont think he's worth all the money we gave him he plays hard no doubt every night but the man is about to be 30 soon, he's injury prone, he's foul prone. 58 mill for 4 years? he's worth 35-40 mill nothing more Deandre Jordan is worth what were giving tyson chandler

    i do respect his leadership on the court and his defensive presence he's helped us big this year and has been the most consistent knick.
    I'm at school waiting to be picked up so I'll try to respond to most of this.

    Is Chris Paul worth the max? Sure, but with that contract you can't expect to have a greatly deep team. He wasn't putting all the effort in on the Hornets. Lin passing up on open shots was different than Paul last season. Lin passes up open shots to attack the basket. Paul a lot of times would pass up an open shot and just pass the ball to a teammate (not for an assist).

    Chris Paul didn't have drama? Every month there was a new story of him being unhappy there. I'm not saying he didn't have a right to be unhappy with some of the things going on in the organization, but he should of outright said he wanted to be traded. At least with Melo he was still playing very good. Paul was playing lazy until the Playoffs.

    Yes, Lin is being focused on by more teams now, does that mean he wasn't playing the best? I mean he was still defended well in a lot of those tough games. If he was defended like Rondo then you'd be right.

    Anyhoo, gotta go. I'll respond to the rest later.

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    Back.

    The Pacers were not contenders last season. Were they good enough to potentially upset the Bulls? Yes. They were not going to beat the Mavs. Maybe West did go for some money, but even in New Orleans he wasn't getting that much, so he wasn't just after money. He's paid about right. David West DID come out about the Hornets' uncertain future a few days ago and has before that. He wants to win, but I feel he wants to win where he can show that he's a big part. Obviously Chris Paul does too, but he comes off as "here, you do this, Blake, I'm too good to be needing to do everything". Every superstar needs help, it shouldn't be in a way you take plays off because you're worried about your body or whatever. Look at what Nash and Iverson has done throughout their careers, you can't tell me Chris Paul has the same effort and loyalty these guys had.

    True, I didn't word it the best when I said Chris Paul wanted to go to a contender, they weren't until Chris Paul came. What I meant was he wanted to go to a team that had a superstar and had good depth. I honestly felt that the Hornets roster wise and future moves could have got him more help, but if he didn't feel that way and didn't like what was going on with ownership and stuff, then he should have straight up said he wanted out. He wasn't playing up to par, there was so many rumors (rumors yes, but it didn't look like a lot of it was far from the truth if a lot of it was false at all), and he kept saying he loved New Orleans, but not the Hornets. He was unhappy, if he didn't want to outright say he wanted to be traded, don't say anything at all and bust your ass for the team you're on. I watched a lot of Hornets games last season and it was quite clear he was not the same player he once was.
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    I wouldn't change anything to be honest what happened before led us to where we are today, a very strong roster, some great veterans and some great young players. It's the most exciting Knicks team in the last decade and I'm looking forward to seeing how they come together. This team can win a championship no doubt, if they are playing their best.

    No regrets

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    Originally Posted by Throwback33
    I cant believe you believe that.. i just cant..

    I would not have signed stat or traded for melo..

    CP3
    Fields/ shump
    Gallo
    insert FA or rookie or have kept Lee or Randolph
    Chandler. only signing i was really stoked about

    This honeslty would have been my ideal lineup and possibly have used peices to trade for an upgrade at SG.


    Also would never have let Ewing walk. And agree 100% with the past failed drafts like Sweetney and Hill
    CP3 and Chandler would not be coming to NY without Melo and Amare here.

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    Originally Posted by Throwback33
    I cant believe you believe that.. i just cant..

    I would not have signed stat or traded for melo..

    CP3
    Fields/ shump
    Gallo
    insert FA or rookie or have kept Lee or Randolph
    Chandler. only signing i was really stoked about

    This honeslty would have been my ideal lineup and possibly have used peices to trade for an upgrade at SG.


    Also would never have let Ewing walk. And agree 100% with the past failed drafts like Sweetney and Hill

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    I wouldn't change anything to be honest what happened before led us to where we are today, a very strong roster, some great veterans and some great young players. It's the most exciting Knicks team in the last decade and I'm looking forward to seeing how they come together. This team can win a championship no doubt, if they are playing their best.

    No regrets
    I'm with you brother.

    But if I could go back in time, I'd rethink my decision to join this forum.
    Don't get me wrong, it's cool to interact with fellow Knicks fans and all...but the NEGATIVITY in here is just too much sometimes.

    With that said, your all still my people.

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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    If i could go back in time i would of

    step 1: sign amare

    step 2: force melo to sign through free agency and make him take a paycut

    step 3: amnesty the worst contract

    Step 4: Trade Gallanari, fields, felton, mozgov to the hornets for chris paul

    step 5: sign chandler force him to take less money to play along side Amare/Melo/Cp3

    Draft Shumpert/ recieve Jorts through trade from hornets

    Cp3
    Shumpert
    Melo
    Stat
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    This is the best response in this thread, thats exactly what I'd do.

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    Everyone needs to stop with this take less money....

    The only reason Lebron, Wade and Bosh agreed is become the income tax in Florida is lower then other places so their net gain was the same as if they were in any other city.....

    Name another player who has taken less money ??????

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Everyone needs to stop with this take less money....

    The only reason Lebron, Wade and Bosh agreed is become the income tax in Florida is lower then other places so their net gain was the same as if they were in any other city.....

    Name another player who has taken less money ??????
    is this serious?

    Dwight Howard (who currently wants to traded) IS TURNING DOWN A 110 MILLION DEAL. IF keyword IF he were to hit FREE AGENCY he can sign for only 4 years and receive 80 MILLION. In other words if he were to stay with Orlando he is guranteed 30 Mill more.

    NEXT

    Chris paul... The hornets offered him a 100 Million dollar extension... Thats 100 millions dollars in case you read wrong.

    Now chris paul (if you did not know is picking up his option with the clippers)

    so now you do the math how much you think he's sacrificing to play with the clippers.... or do you think he's seeing the same $100 mill salary the hornets were going to give him?



    To say players dont take less to play somewhere else is.. illiterate, It may not be the HUGE paycut the heat did, but nevertheless their losing out on money to play where they desire.
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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    is this serious?

    Dwight Howard (who currently wants to traded) IS TURNING DOWN A 110 MILLION DEAL. IF keyword IF he were to hit FREE AGENCY he can sign for only 4 years and receive 80 MILLION. In other words if he were to stay with Orlando he is guranteed 30 Mill more.

    NEXT

    Chris paul... The hornets offered him a 100 Million dollar extension... Thats 100 millions dollars in case you read wrong.

    Now chris paul (if you did not know is picking up his option with the clippers)

    so now you do the math how much you think he's sacrificing to play with the clippers.... or do you think he's seeing the same $100 mill salary the hornets were going to give him?



    To say players dont take less to play somewhere else is.. illiterate


    Dude name a player who TOOK less money ?????
    Not who U THINK will take less money.....

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