^^ Lol, that's hilarious.
Novak is way more clutch and he has more swag. His defense has improved, his all around game continues to improve. We're talking about a guy here who would start for most teams, its not like Stat is any better of a rebounder then Novak. I dont see why he cant start at PF for us
^^ Lol, that's hilarious.
I like Novak but he hasn't put in half the work Ray has. Plus they operate out of different systems. Put Ray here and put Novak in Boston then you'll have your answer. Novak still has a lot more to prove to even think about being in the same class as Ray Allen. I know some of us is loving the Knicks new look. However, at the same time that same look can be very blinding.
This thread is dumb, steve novak isnt in the same stratosphere as Ray Allen even in this stage of Rays career.Ray Allen is shooting 48.6% from deep and averaging 15 points 3 assists and 3 rebounds.Novak doesnt put those numbers up plus he can barely create for himself or handle the ball.I hate Ray Allen and even this is really stupid we are all caught up in the hype of the moment just like linsanity a week ago.
He just might be on a hot streak but the way the guy is shooting and contributing why not play the hot hand and get him 30mpg, let him play his way out of more minutes when and if he cools off.
You posted their respective scoring averages. Why would you do that? You have to look at the sample size and the other factors that impact them. Allen has played a whole season so far of 30 games and started every one. He has earned his scoring average of 14.8 over the course them against other teams starters. This factor is of great importance because Novak is asked to come in against other teams second units the majority of the time. He plays against poorer defenders on average as a result. He's also a guy teams leave open (which will start to happen less and less if he keeps making; teams will have to pick their poison) alot of times. Teams key in and try to take away from Ray Ray's impact every night.
Next, this system inflates the stats and value of guys like Novak because he can bacically sit on the perimeter and benefit from Lin's ability to get in the paint and kick the ball out to him. Novak is the perfect player to have for this reason. All he has to do is catch and shoot and right now he's making, which is good but you've gotten carried away. Allen plays in a halfcourt system that is not at all uptempo. He's also played a good part of the season without Rondo who gets him some easy looks throughout the course of games.
Allen is also asked to guard the other team's starting two (which is not easy at 36) and he's still a pretty good defender imo. Novak is not a good individual defender. He's a decent team defender who you can have on the floor if you have a guy like Chandler who can hide poor perimeter players shortcomings. He's our Steve Kerr or whatever.. our Mario Ellie.
Novak is doing what we want him to do and not much else. Allen is asked to do much more and is still getting it done in a starting role, at 33 minutes per.. at age 36.
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However with Novak's decent D and rebounding on this team I might rather have Novak. Is he better than current Ray Allen? No. Is he better for this team? Maybe. The reason I think this is because think of this way, Ray has more versatility as a shooter, is a great shooter, and gets very streaky. Novak however when he gets a shot up might be the better shooter. Of course he depends on his teammates and coach more than Ray, but, on this team, Novak is gonna get a lot of those shots if he keeps it up.
Take Derrick Rose's ball handling for example, that's not gonna go away, he might struggle in other areas such as his shooting, but it's not gonna go away, that skill. Same with Novak. Allen is a better player, but Novak's skill of shooting is ALWAYS there.
I think most would choose Allen though on the vet. min, so I'm gonna give a different example. Would you rather have Gallinari or Novak on this team? Gallinari is more versatile, but his versatility is not needed on the Knicks. Gallinari is an inconsistent shooter, which is something we don't need if we can have Novak. I know it's hard to not choose the better overall player a lot of the time, but the better player is not always better for a team.
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RunningJump might have a point, I see what hes saying. Gallinari is obviously the more versatile player, but Novak is the more consistent outside shooter which is more of a need on this team.
But my man Ron has a point too, look at Denver without Gallinari. They have been struggling big time which is proof that Gallo is approaching borderline all star status.
In the end Id rather have Gallo, he'd have to be a backup SF/PF like Novak. It'd give us a better oppertunity to rest Amare, obviously with Melo at the 3 theres not as many minutes at the back SF position. Whats Melo averaging, about 34 minutes a game im guessing? That would give him 14 minutes at SF, he could take like 20 minutes and have Stat play 28 (not that i would give him even half that many minutes, but Dantoni will). Yea, Im going with Gallo no direspect to Novak.
Novaks value cannot be overlooked on this team, hes a 3pt specialist and the more good perimeter shooters u have in Dantoni's system the better your offense will be. And it opens up the paint more, makes it easier to get to the rim or do well against a zone defense
Novak is a perfect fit for the Knicks.
With the 2 prima donnas (Melo & Stat) on this team, we need a willing elite 3 point shooter coming off the bench to play 10-15 minutes.
I'd compare Wade 2 seasons from now to the current Vince Carter, but at least Vince still gets his respect as the GOAT dunker.
Wade will be remembered as the guy that got a championship gift wrapped to him by Dallas back in 06, the guy who got injured all the time, the guy that choked in the 2011 finals, the guy that only got one ring, and the guy that became Shumperts b*tch
So no, Novak shouldn't start. He is a perfect fit for the Knicks in his current role. I just hope we can keep him next year, will anyone else overpay for him?