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    Default Carmelo Anthony, the new Glenn Robinson.

    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Carmelo is Glen Robinson in a high paced offense.
    I was calling it in 2010...2 years ago.

    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Paul, Durant, Gasol, Nash, Williams, Dirk are all better than Carmelo. Carmelo is Glenn Robinson in a high paced offense, I'm telling you guys.
    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Carmelo is nothing like Kobe. More like Glen Big Dawg Robinson on steroids. He's so hyped by you guys its not even funny. He's great at scoring, average at everything else. I rather just enjoy the well balanced roster we have right now that are all good offensively and can put stops on the defense. I wouldn't take Melo's defense over Felton, Fields, Gallo, Chandler and Amare. The need for him is really illogical and Fields doesn't need to be an all star for us to win. Carmelo doesn't promise us a championship.
    I was even calling it in 2008... 4 years ago.
    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Carmelo is just another Glen Robinson. Trading for him would just make us WORSE...could you imagine Crawford/Richardson/Carmelo/Randolph/Curry. No ball movement, turnovers, slow ass fat team...chuckers...no defense at all.I'm ashamed Carmelo is half Rican.
    From this moment on forward, Carmelo is the Big Dog reincarnated.

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    oh lawd NO lmao

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    I'm pretty certain he will prove you wrong eventually. At the moment he's beyond dreadfull though.

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    Knicks fans really are the most fickle fans in professional sports. I hope you're not over the age of 13 bro.

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    I hope Melo proves me DEAD wrong, I really do.

    I support Melo, thats my dirty secret.

    Its just hard because I really want him to co-exist with Amare and it seems hopeless.

    Do we keep Amare and Melo together?

    Trade for Steve Nash?

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    I hope Melo proves me DEAD wrong, I really do.

    I support Melo, thats my dirty secret.

    Its just hard because I really want him to co-exist with Amare and it seems hopeless.

    Do we keep Amare and Melo together?

    Trade for Steve Nash?
    I always wanted to see Nash in a Knicks jersey. I'm hoping he'll eventually coach as he's one of the smartest players I've seen. But with Lin and Davis (who will improve the more minutes he plays) I don't see a point in getting Nash. Anthony needs to stop sulking about his new role and just accept it. Even if it means getting 20 ppg. He's surrounded by talent at the moment and needs to adjust to that. If he's smart, he will and the Knicks will click. If not, then he will continue to contribute to the demise of our offensive game.

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    Melo was **** today vs the mavs, even though im a big fan of his im not going to stick up for it and make an excuse for him, Melo just does not look like he's having fun out there, i think he is somewhat butt hurt he's not the "big thing in the big apple anymore" i dont know if anyone noticed but Melo has the same FG% as Bill walker lol.

    Melo needs to

    1- start playing more consistent

    2- Not worry about passing every single play, your the star on this team dont think you have to Pass every time. when you have the mismatch, you take advantage. Melo thrives off iso, ok continue to do it dont change your game to the point where you feel uncomfortable, just dont iso EVERY time you get the ball let the game come to you.

    We need to utilize Melo, the same way the Celtics Utilize Pierce IMO
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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    Melo was **** today vs the mavs, even though im a big fan of his im not going to stick up for it and make an excuse for him, Melo just does not look like he's having fun out there, i think he is somewhat butt hurt he's not the "big thing in the big apple anymore" i dont know if anyone noticed but Melo has the same FG% as Bill walker lol.

    Melo needs to

    1- start playing more consistent

    2- Not worry about passing every single play, your the star on this team dont think you have to Pass every time. when you have the mismatch, you take advantage. Melo thrives off iso, ok continue to do it dont change your game to the point where you feel uncomfortable, just dont iso EVERY time you get the ball let the game come to you.
    You know I have noticed the same thing about melo and even thought the same thing that he is mad cause he isn't the big dog anymore.He needs to be smart and realise he can still be the big dog on this team if you play team ball.I noticed him alot out there on the floor making faces and the way he acts when he passes the ball away when before he did'nt have too.If he is going to wine and moan like a baby and not give it 110% effort everynight then he needs traded now.Don't get me wrong I really like melo on this team but he is making it so much harder on himself WHEN he can easily turn his act around and play team ball while playing his butt off. I don't see that from melo right now and frankly im starting to wonder if we will ever see it again.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    I was calling it in 2010...2 years ago.





    I was even calling it in 2008... 4 years ago.


    From this moment on forward, Carmelo is the Big Dog reincarnated.
    Metro man, you know I agreed with you and we argued with what seemed like everyone on this forum that Melo and STAT would not be a great combo.... TRADE MELO for Howard!!!!
    The Knicks must and I mean MUST make this trade if there is any validity to the rumor. MELO and Chandler for Howard and Hedo Turkoglu! I'm not happy with Hedo's contract but he is fundamentally sound and can be a GREAT 6th man type player. Howard and STAT at the 5/4 would give the Knicks an NBA elite front court!
    I know this next scenario will be an unpopular one but I would trade Lin while his value is high, I would contact Portland and see if we can get Felton back on this team. Lin is a turnover machine and while there is a chance he could refine his game, it's still the great unknown and Felton proved that when he QB'd this team, he was rock solid! I know the numbers need to be worked out but I would explore it. Even if that trade is never explored, you would still have this:
    Howard
    STAT
    Fields (Yes move Fields to the 3) You will see his game elevate with a move to the 3 spot
    Shumpert
    Lin (hopefully cutting down turnovers)
    Now that is a starting 5 that can ball with the best of them! JR Smith, Davis, Turkoglu, Harrellson, Jeffries and Novack off the bench.... Still a nice bench

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    ^ Yes.

    Hedo isn't just fundamentally sound.....he would be our starting SF, I hope. And with his versatility (and lack of ego) our rotation would grow even stronger with Fields getting quality minutes backing up the 3, and JR too.

    Lin-Baron
    JR-Shumpert-Fields
    Hedo-Fields-JR
    Amare-Novak-Jeffries-Harrelson
    Howard-Harrelson-Novak

    That **** is boss. The range and passing of Hedo alone would be worth its weight in gold on that team..

    Next step: trading Amare for Gallinari and Mozgov,

    I don't see us trading for Howard, though; since he doesn't seem keen on playing here and signing. It would be a risk akin to the Deron situation in NJ -- but exponentially more deadly.

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    @iSaYughh and @hometheaterguy

    So neither one of you is interested in seeing what this team could look like with a different coach? You think all because Antoni can't get it right, nobody can?

    Glad you guys aren't working for the Knicks.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    @iSaYughh and @hometheaterguy

    So neither one of you is interested in seeing what this team could look like with a different coach? You think all because Antoni can't get it right, nobody can?

    Glad you guys aren't working for the Knicks.
    Look, George Karl probably got the most out of Anthony than anyone could have expected and that was a constant struggle because Anthony doesn't want to play that type of game, that's why he wanted out of Denver; it's almost unnatural for him. Mike D's system is what Melo wants but... it perpetuate the bad side of his game and sacrifices the team. Everyone knocks Mike D but ask Raymond Felton about Mike D... Look what Mike D did for his game and where he is at now. If you have any of the games from last season, prior to the trade... Like the Bulls game and that Heat game when the Knicks were wining... You will see Mike D's influence on this team and how fluid a team can be under his system. PG's flourish under his system (true PGs not combo guards). I re-watched those bulls, heat games last season prior to Mello and man what a difference!!! Even the ones we lost the Knicks looked better than we have looked since the Melo trade.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Nice Post. I don't know if he's still playing through injuries but he's definitely uncomfortable out there.

    I will keep saying this: Why trade anyone right now without giving another coach a shot at managing this team??? We have too much talent to just give up all because Antoni can't figure it out. He's not a coaching GOD. Perhaps someone else with a different philosophy can get better results here.

    I just don't understand why people want to break up a talented roster before at least exploring other coaching options first. Melo and Amare have always played as the #1 options. In Amare's case he was the primary recipient to Nash's passes in PHX. Now they are just glorified role players and the just can't adapt to that. It has to be difficult for them not knowing when their next shot will come and when it finally does their always expected to be great and in rhythym.
    That's why you get rid of Pringles ASAP and look into coaches like Jerry Sloan, see if Phil Jackson is still interested, see if SVG is interested even though it's highly unlikely he ever works under James Dolan. We have such a talented team but our coach is just squandering a beautiful opportunity that we may not have for a long time.


    Originally Posted by fender0577
    Calm down people, once C'ANToni is gone, we'll get a decent coach in here, who actually uses his superstars accordingly.Stop it people, please.
    Exactly!!

    Pringles is the major source of our problems

    Originally Posted by VeryGundy
    Am I reading this right? Melo is pouting because he doesn't have the ball as much as he did before. So how much longer do we have to wait before the 20-million dollar man decides to show up for a big game?

    Melo played like a scrub last night. There is no sugarcoating around his dismal performance. He needs to wake the f*ck up and start producing.
    Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
    Look, George Karl probably got the most out of Anthony than anyone could have expected and that was a constant struggle because Anthony doesn't want to play that type of game, that's why he wanted out of Denver; it's almost unnatural for him. Mike D's system is what Melo wants but... it perpetuate the bad side of his game and sacrifices the team. Everyone knocks Mike D but ask Raymond Felton about Mike D... Look what Mike D did for his game and where he is at now. If you have any of the games from last season, prior to the trade... Like the Bulls game and that Heat game when the Knicks were wining... You will see Mike D's influence on this team and how fluid a team can be under his system. PG's flourish under his system (true PGs not combo guards). I re-watched those bulls, heat games last season prior to Mello and man what a difference!!! Even the ones we lost the Knicks looked better than we have looked since the Melo trade.
    Holy christ are you two serious? *sigh*

    This is why I say trade Melo. Making things up, spouting nonsense, not looking at things logically....smh. It's a tragedy NY fans treat players such a way. Just trade him so he doesn't have to put up with this & we can hope & pray Lin and the rag-tag bunch of misfits with up & down Amar'e can get us further than the first round.

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    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    ^ Yes.

    Hedo isn't just fundamentally sound.....he would be our starting SF, I hope. And with his versatility (and lack of ego) our rotation would grow even stronger with Fields getting quality minutes backing up the 3, and JR too.

    Lin-Baron
    JR-Shumpert-Fields
    Hedo-Fields-JR
    Amare-Novak-Jeffries-Harrelson
    Howard-Harrelson-Novak

    That **** is boss. The range and passing of Hedo alone would be worth its weight in gold on that team..

    Next step: trading Amare for Gallinari and Mozgov,

    I don't see us trading for Howard, though; since he doesn't seem keen on playing here and signing. It would be a risk akin to the Deron situation in NJ -- but exponentially more deadly.
    From what I have read, Howard would sign with NY... I don't think he wants to be here if Melo is here but I think he is all for teaming up with STAT. Also, a Howard, Stat 5/4 is an extremely athletic front court as well. I think you would see Stat's game take off under this scenario. Stat has dropped some considerable weight and you saw that last night with Dirk.... His side to side movement was fluid and he gained a few inches back on his elevation...
    The only other scenario I would entertain is Melo to Atlanta for Josh Smith and Williams or just Smith and 2 #1 draft picks... I would Start STAT at the 5 and Smith at the 4... Again, very athletic front court, 5/4 that can score and you would have a nice 3 man rotation with Chandler that would allow all 3 guys to play fewer minutes, thus letting their bodies heal and rest up for the post season.
    The Howard scenario is the best one but the Josh Smith scenario is an excellent second option (if Atlanta is game).

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