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    Originally Posted by theknicks3
    What a wank fest the last few pages have been. There's a reason why so few peple sty posting on this forum for extended periods of time.

    Purely offensively, Melo is a top 5 player. Other than Kobe, maybe Wade you want the ball in his hands.

    Watch Melo lead this team into the seventh seed.


    someone should tell Woodson that....I think he gets confused between Melo and JR

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    Originally Posted by lilman_bklyn
    I envision you stroking Melo's Dick within 3 years


    In 3 years, Melo will be washed up, gained 10-15 pounds and be the Eddy Curry of SF's.

    Quote that.



    Originally Posted by New New York
    This is like comparing Brandon Jennings to Rondo

    Or Jamal Crawford to Sprewell

    Or Curry to Shaq

    Sure they play the same postion and statisitically they are similar (Melo's career numbers are better though) and athletically they are similar (although Melo is more athletic)

    Melo is more vesitile in being able to play both SF and PF, Glen Robinson would go no where near the block, he and Vin Baker made up the softest frontcourt in league history (Chris Weber actually said as much!!!).

    Glen Robinson was a secondary player like Jamison, John Salmons or Rip Hamilton....Melo is a bonafied game changer

    Glen Robinson got asked not to go to the Olympics after being selected when we coasted to gold medals with every group we through out there, Melo was one of the most valuable players on the 2008 team

    The most accurate comparison to Melo is Bernard King!

    Al Harrington is a player who you could compare Glen Robinson to!!!
    Carmelo wouldn't make the olympic team in Glen Robinson's era.

    A prime Grant Hill, A prime Sprewell, prime Pippen, prime Vince Carter, even later on when T'Mac blew up and Kobe entered the league, all the elite PF's in the 90's...(Melo plays PF in the Olympics).

    Thats a good point you made, Melo does average 3 more FT attempts than Glen Robinson, but Glen still got to the FT line 4-5 times a game, and Melo's defense always been very pillow soft, so to toss the soft label to Robinson is a very fitting comparison for Melo. They're both soft defense SF/PF hybrids who shoot a similar percentage only difference is that Melo gets more FT attempts.

    King isn't a terrible comparison either, if you don't overrate King. King in his era wasn't the best SF because Larry Bird, Dominique Wilkins, and Alex English existed. King has his weaknesses on defense and wasn't the best athlete like Melo. King did have superior shot selection over Melo and shot over 50%...the 41% shooting Carmelo obviously can't compare to that.

    But King may be too high of a comparison because pretty much King dragged the Knicks into the playoffs despite having little talent around him. He finished 2nd in the voting for NBA MVP in 84' when he averaged 26 ppg. Melo has never done that and isn't the best player on this roster currently. If you gave Benard King a guy like Tyson Chandler, Knicks would of won a championship before Ewing arrived...especially in the ERA where the defense was god awful.

    But interesting topic none the less, NNY.

    Originally Posted by NYCLakerfan
    Don't argue with Metro he's a Melo hater he won't even accept that Kobe, Bruce Browen, Lebron, and a few other ppl say Melo's the hardest or one of the hardest players to guard in the league.
    I'll accept it, but see this what separates children from adults. When you learn how to think for yourself and form your own opinion without others thinking for you, then you can be welcomed to adulthood. Till then you may very well be as naive as those people who spam the Kony 2012 video. Very mindless. You got a brain, use it.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard


    In 3 years, Melo will be washed up, gained 10-15 pounds and be the Eddy Curry of SF's.

    Quote that.





    Carmelo wouldn't make the olympic team in Glen Robinson's era.

    A prime Grant Hill, A prime Sprewell, prime Pippen, prime Vince Carter, even later on when T'Mac blew up and Kobe entered the league, all the elite PF's in the 90's...(Melo plays PF in the Olympics).

    Thats a good point you made, Melo does average 3 more FT attempts than Glen Robinson, but Glen still got to the FT line 4-5 times a game, and Melo's defense always been very pillow soft, so to toss the soft label to Robinson is a very fitting comparison for Melo. They're both soft defense SF/PF hybrids who shoot a similar percentage only difference is that Melo gets more FT attempts.

    King isn't a terrible comparison either, if you don't overrate King. King in his era wasn't the best SF because Larry Bird, Dominique Wilkins, and Alex English existed. King has his weaknesses on defense and wasn't the best athlete like Melo. King did have superior shot selection over Melo and shot over 50%...the 41% shooting Carmelo obviously can't compare to that.

    But King may be too high of a comparison because pretty much King dragged the Knicks into the playoffs despite having little talent around him. He finished 2nd in the voting for NBA MVP in 84' when he averaged 26 ppg. Melo has never done that and isn't the best player on this roster currently. If you gave Benard King a guy like Tyson Chandler, Knicks would of won a championship before Ewing arrived...especially in the ERA where the defense was god awful.

    But interesting topic none the less, NNY.



    I'll accept it, but see this what separates children from adults. When you learn how to think for yourself and form your own opinion without others thinking for you, then you can be welcomed to adulthood. Till then you may very well be as naive as those people who spam the Kony 2012 video. Very mindless. You got a brain, use it.
    Metro, even you, have to admit...he's killing cats, these days.

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    MELO 2012 > KONY 2012

    Melo will be a beast from here on out. Metro is sticking to his guns but will be happy to eat crow when Melo beasts for us in the playoffs. Melo is more like James Worthy (post moves, big game player) then Glen Robinson and I think we are witnessing the breakout year Melo has been capable of all along.

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    By the way, I am not at all arguing over Melo's ability to score the ball. Thats given.

    The problem that holds him back is his overall game.

    Scoring - A
    Rebounding - B
    Passing - C
    Shooting - B-
    Shot selection - D
    Post Offense - A
    Athleticism - C+
    Man to Man Defense - D
    Help Defense - D
    Post Defense - D
    Making teammates better - F



    “Carmelo Anthony is a one-dimensional player,” says Charles Barkley on TNT.

    Melo's 6'8” and gets blocked more than any other player in the NBA.

    So lets examine this folks.

    Melo does have alot of offensive moves, as much as Kobe and Durant. That is true. I'm sure we all can accept that, especially the Melosexuals.

    Now lets considered how much Melo gets blocked. Isn't the whole point of scoring is to make the shot, and not miss? Just like in boxing its to hit and not get hit. Melo getting blocked all the time would be similar to Antonio Margarito getting punched in the face all the time because he doesn't know how to evade punches. Do people call Antonio Margarito a good boxer? Not at all, despite his arsenal of punches. Boxing fans are a little more wiser than basketball fans, but Melo getting blocked as often he does it comes to a reality that his offense is overrated.

    Melo is a good scorer for himself, but not for his team. A player who gets blocked alot and isn't a good 3pt shooter shouldn't be taking shots that hurt his team.

    Does that make sense now?

    Melo should work on take better shots and avoiding low percentage shots or shots that are easy to block...like a boxer should avoid taking power shots to the head and body. Its common sports knowledge.

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    Kobe only has a get blocked % of 4.3 where as Melo is close to 9.
    Kevin Durant's is 2.7

    This is why you can't compare Melo with Durant, Kobe, LeBron or even Wade.

    Those guards are much HARDER to guard.

    If Melo was a hard cover, he wouldn't get so blocked easily. Check the performance and statistics.

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    I'm a very complex sports fan, if you want to discuss a topic with me, I will go ass deep in the topic til' infinity.

    Lets party it up in this thread...if you're a Melosexual...please provide some cool research because thats all this thread should be...interesting reads and research.

    If you're going to post some nonsense garbage about how I'm a hater or Melo is amazing, then just go away. People like that never add to the forum and are too emotional. I've seen these types since the Howard Eisley days on this forum. Lets be beyond that, I'm sure we're all old enough to do that, can we please?

    Thanks.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    By the way, I am not at all arguing over Melo's ability to score the ball. Thats given.

    The problem that holds him back is his overall game.

    Scoring - A
    Rebounding - B
    Passing - C
    Shooting - B-
    Shot selection - D
    Post Offense - A
    Athleticism - C+
    Man to Man Defense - D
    Help Defense - D
    Post Defense - D
    Making teammates better - F



    “Carmelo Anthony is a one-dimensional player,” says Charles Barkley on TNT.

    Melo's 6'8” and gets blocked more than any other player in the NBA.

    So lets examine this folks.

    Melo does have alot of offensive moves, as much as Kobe and Durant. That is true. I'm sure we all can accept that, especially the Melosexuals.

    Now lets considered how much Melo gets blocked. Isn't the whole point of scoring is to make the shot, and not miss? Just like in boxing its to hit and not get hit. Melo getting blocked all the time would be similar to Antonio Margarito getting punched in the face all the time because he doesn't know how to evade punches. Do people call Antonio Margarito a good boxer? Not at all, despite his arsenal of punches. Boxing fans are a little more wiser than basketball fans, but Melo getting blocked as often he does it comes to a reality that his offense is overrated.

    Melo is a good scorer for himself, but not for his team. A player who gets blocked alot and isn't a good 3pt shooter shouldn't be taking shots that hurt his team.

    Does that make sense now?

    Melo should work on take better shots and avoiding low percentage shots or shots that are easy to block...like a boxer should avoid taking power shots to the head and body. Its common sports knowledge.

    Here are my resources

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    Kobe only has a get blocked % of 4.3 where as Melo is close to 9.
    Kevin Durant's is 2.7

    This is why you can't compare Melo with Durant, Kobe, LeBron or even Wade.

    Those guards are much HARDER to guard.

    If Melo was a hard cover, he wouldn't get so blocked easily. Check the performance and statistics.
    I can't agree with this. You've given a 45% career FG shooter and possibly the most clutch player in the NBA a D in shot selection? I don't think you're giving him enough credit. Even during his shooting slump he was trying to, and succesfully improved other aspects of his game such as defence, and including others. He was happy to take fewer shots and involved players such as Stoudamire and Chandler more, often handing them over an easy basket. Is he top five? I think it's borderline. Even if he's not, he's definitely near enough. He's carried this team in Lin and Stoudamire's absence, and is stepping up just in time for the final playoff push. I think you're being harsh on him. I dislike hype more than most but I don't think there's one team in the NBA that would not have him on their roster.

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    Originally Posted by TakMan
    I can't agree with this. You've given a 45% career FG shooter and possibly the most clutch player in the NBA a D in shot selection? I don't think you're giving him enough credit. Even during his shooting slump he was trying to, and succesfully improved other aspects of his game such as defence, and including others. He was happy to take fewer shots and involved players such as Stoudamire and Chandler more, often handing them over an easy basket. Is he top five? I think it's borderline. Even if he's not, he's definitely near enough. He's carried this team in Lin and Stoudamire's absence, and is stepping up just in time for the final playoff push. I think you're being harsh on him. I dislike hype more than most but I don't think there's one team in the NBA that would not have him on their roster.
    Yeah, he's reaching now, to even go look for these stupid stats, to try to sh*t on MELO, is starting to look like he's upset that MELO is proving him wrong.

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    Well Tak, this season Carmelo has an Efficiency FG % of 44.7.

    Let me break it down for you

    16-23 Feet Melo is shooting 33% 1.8 M / 5.3 A
    10-15 Feet Melo is shooting 40% 0.9 M / 2.2 A
    3-9 Feet Melo is shooting 26% 0.3 M / 1.3 A

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    Add that to the fact Melo gets blocked very easily...you have to ask, why would a player take so many attempts from a low percentage area?

    Melo isn't a 5"9 PG either. He's 6"8 and 230 lbs, he's a big SF.

    Melo always has had horrible shot selection just mainly based on his isolation style he forces himself to take tough shots HE DOESNT NEED TO.

    As a fan, thats frustrating. Carmelo brings difficulty to game. Its entertaining 30-39% of the time when its successful. But 61-70% of makes you cringe when you watch Melo in action.

    Do you understand better now?

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    Originally Posted by fender0577
    Yeah, he's reaching now, to even go look for these stupid stats, to try to sh*t on MELO, is starting to look like he's upset that MELO is proving him wrong.
    stupid stats...you sound really mature there, won't you give more insightful feedback on how you feel about statistics without looking upset or limited in knowledge?

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    Originally Posted by fender0577
    Yeah, he's reaching now, to even go look for these stupid stats, to try to sh*t on MELO, is starting to look like he's upset that MELO is proving him wrong.

    I don't mind differences in opinions. Metrocard (I haven't been here long enough to know what he's about) seems to like shaking things up a bit which is fine with me as it makes people think more about views that they took as given truths in the past. That's a good thing. I just think that to conduct a rational debate, some balance needs to be achieved. In this instance, Metrocard has made a bit of an extreme case, and is not (openly) accepting arguments from a different perspective.

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    Metrocard, it is clear to me and everybody else on this forum who is not a Melo hater, that you are a Melo hater. Thats why your opinion about him is not objective.
    Let me ask you a question. When the game is on the line, who do you want to take the shot? Koby(not in his prime), Wade, Durant or Melo?

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    stupid stats...you sound really mature there, won't you give more insightful feedback on how you feel about statistics without looking upset or limited in knowledge?
    Dude, i look upset?Did you really just post, who gets blocked the most, to try to sh*t on a player from your own team?Yeah...i'm the upset one.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Well Tak, this season Carmelo has an Efficiency FG % of 44.7.

    Let me break it down for you

    16-23 Feet Melo is shooting 33% 1.8 M / 5.3 A
    10-15 Feet Melo is shooting 40% 0.9 M / 2.2 A
    3-9 Feet Melo is shooting 26% 0.3 M / 1.3 A

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    Add that to the fact Melo gets blocked very easily...you have to ask, why would a player take so many attempts from a low percentage area?

    Melo isn't a 5"9 PG either. He's 6"8 and 230 lbs, he's a big SF.

    Melo always has had horrible shot selection just mainly based on his isolation style he forces himself to take tough shots HE DOESNT NEED TO.

    As a fan, thats frustrating. Carmelo brings difficulty to game. Its entertaining 30-39% of the time when its successful. But 61-70% of makes you cringe when you watch Melo in action.

    Do you understand better now?
    I've got to go for the simpler interpretation. 45.6% of Anthony's attempts throughout his career end up in the basket. That's near enough one in every two. He's a weapon that, if used correctly, will inflict serious damage on any opposition. Going as far as the conferecne finals - particularly in the Western conference- is no easy task. This man has the potential to carry a team to glory, and to destroy that same team's offensive flow when he's not performing (we've seen too much of that this season). I have recently been disgusted at the ISO orientated offence that has been implemented over the past 5 or so games. It's not pretty particularly when one considers the depth this team has. Since Lin and Stoudamire's injuries, Woodson has made Anthony the centrepoint of our offence by a mile. It's not pretty, but Anthony has thrived under it. We've played and beat some pretty impressive teams. A returning Lin and Stoudamire can only make this team more dangerous (though I insist that it will take time to find the right formula and develop chemistry).

    As for the amount of blocks Anthony concedes; Compared to Durant and Bryant, he drives on defenders far more. Consider Durant and (nowadays) Kobe's shot selection. It's predominantly mid-range and further. That's not going to get you blocked as much as driving to the basket will. Furthermore, Anthony's defence has (in my opinion) been superior to Bryant and Durant's, which basically means he will be more fatigued when attacking the basket. He's got those lapses, but overall I've been incredibly happy with his recent overall performances.

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    Originally Posted by fender0577
    Dude, i look upset?Did you really just post, who gets blocked the most, to try to sh*t on a player from your own team?Yeah...i'm the upset one.

    To be fair it does make a case for bad shot selections and over-indulging on offence. Though in Anthony's case, I believe there are far more stats in his favour.

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