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    Originally Posted by kinein

    Lin having a scary presence on the court only makes it easier for the rest of his team to score - that is what I'm getting at.
    I am all for a Lintimidator.

    You and I just disagree on how that gets done. I think a Steve Nash would be far more scary than a scorer. You want Lin to be a scorer first and distributor when he can. Sure it would be nice if Lin can play like Rose but he isn't.

    From what we've seen so far, Lin can prolong his career if he can refine his passing skills and limit his TOs. He has high bball IQ to grow into one of the elite PG in this league. I don't really see any upside for Lin to focus on his scoring. Just my

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    Originally Posted by VeryGundy
    I am all for a Lintimidator.

    You and I just disagree on how that gets done. I think a Steve Nash would be far more scary than a scorer. You want Lin to be a scorer first and distributor when he can. Sure it would be nice if Lin can play like Rose but he isn't.

    From what we've seen so far, Lin can prolong his career if he can refine his passing skills and limit his TOs. He has high bball IQ to grow into one of the elite PG in this league. I don't really see any upside for Lin to focus on his scoring. Just my
    I think he should do both He's asian and went to Harvard. Can do mentality Basketball IQ + Work Ethic + Heart + Known Killer Instinct + Aggression.

    I'll translate it like this, if he can block Derrick Rose against the board and tie Chandler in BLOCKS - and steal the ball from Rose (MID-SPIN) - if you remember the speed article Rose is the FASTEST guy in the spin.

    He can score. ^_^ He also has the fastest release-time on the team when it comes to shooting.

    But I totally don't want to diminish the Nash aspect - but he is not going to be Nash he will resemble Nash in certain parts of his game but not entirely.

    Do I think he can be ROSE? I'm not sure - I think a lot of it has to do with how he progresses with his weight-training, plyo, functional training, etc. He only began serious weight-training during the lock-out. He could only squat 100lbs prior to that. I can take any guy and have them squat 200lbs in 3 months, just like I can take any guy and have them rep 225lbs in 3 months. I expect Jeremy Lin to surpass his newbie gains from this last -lockout period- over the course of this season and next season and beyond. It usually takes 2-3+ years to really start to see the results of a dedicated training program for fitness. But he can make dramatic leaps and bounds there.

    On the other hand the other stuff- some of it is innate, can't teach him court-vision or feel for when to steal etc - Jeffries Shumpert and it seems Amare just know when to do that stuff ~ his shot can be coached and worked on, passing choices he will learn in-game and video review ~ and it seems like there are several factors that all will work to make him an even better factor.

    Although a part of me would love to see him play with Kobe - I think there is a 1000% chance that MSG will refuse to let him go. They have access to all of Asia. From what I understand people in Europe, Australia, and South America are also watching the Knicks because of Lin so- I think Lin is here to stay. The guys too valuable - the Return on Investment is off the charts and access to China where 200 million people watched Yao Ming play 1 nba game - as a businessman - the money tree must be closely guarded.

    Derrick Rose as 306 games under his belt, Lin has ehhh 20-25? I'm too lazy to check. So far so good and I'm very optimistic - really feels like the Knicks are over a hump in terms of chemistry and effort ~ now its time to fine tune and really work on the remaining factors.
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    Lin is a good player. He's not as quick or strong as most other guards on defense but he makes up for it with his hustle and his IQ.

    I think that he can be like a taller version of Jameer Nelson.

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    Lets see how Denver is doing without Melo

    Pre-Melo trade (57 games):
    47% FG, 39% 3p, 78% FT, 40.9 reb, 21.2 ast, 6.9 stl, 4.0 blk, 13.8 to, 107.6 ppg

    Post-Melo trade
    (after 11 games):
    49% FG, 40% 3p, 72% FT, 45.8 reb, 25.8 ast, 8.7 stl, 4.8 blk, 14.0 to, 108.6 ppg
    (after 14 games):
    48% FG, 38% 3p, 74% FT, 45.3 reb, 24.9 ast, 8.7 stl, 4.9 blk, 13.9 to, 107.0 ppg
    (after 19 games):
    48% FG, 39% 3p, 72% FT, 44.9 reb, 24.6 ast, 9.1 stl, 5.2 blk, 13.9 to, 106.6 ppg


    Comments:
    + All defensive stats are better... great increase in rebounds, steals and blocks
    + Increase the field goal efficiency and assist (better flow of the ball in offense)
    - Decrease free throw percentage

    Opponents Pre-Melo trade (57 games):
    46% FG, 35% 3p, 75% FT, 41.9 reb, 22.9 ast, 7.1 stl, 6.0 blk, 12.6 to, 105.2 ppg

    Opponents Post-Melo trade
    (after 11 games):
    45% FG, 31% 3p, 77% FT, 37.0 reb, 21.9 ast, 8.4 stl, 5.5 blk, 13.9 to, 95.3 ppg
    (after 14 games):
    44% FG, 32% 3p, 76% FT, 38.4 reb, 20.9 ast, 8.3 stl, 6.2 blk, 14.6 to, 94.7 ppg
    (after 19 games):
    44% FG, 31% 3p, 76% FT, 39.4 reb, 20.5 ast, 8.2 stl, 5.9 blk, 14.7 to, 94.8 ppg


    Comments:
    + Great defense
    + Point allowed has been reduced by 10 ppg
    + Opponents turnover increased
    - Opponent steals increased (probably by increased pace because the Denver turnover is increased only from 13.8 to 13.9)

    RECORD 15-4 (9 Home (9-0) - 10 Road (6-4))

    The SOS (Average winning percentage of opponents played) in the last 19 games is of 0.509

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    Melo isn't a winner. He is probably the Michael Jordan of overrated players. Which means that he is the greatest at being overrated. I tried to defend him in the past but it is impossible to continue defending a player that has such a losing mentality and is everything that a great player is not. At this point in his career Anthony would probably be a bench player or a third scoring option on a playoff team like the Thunder. He is just as lazy and effortless as Jerome James on the defensive end, he makes all the players around him worst, when he isn't scoring he is as useless as Amar'e Stoudemire and he is robbing the Knicks with his ridiculous contract. The only thing good that Carmelo did in his career was score a lot of points and sell a lot of jerseys.
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    Let me ask you:

    How does Melo make the Knicks better? as a team.

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    He doesn't:

    Since Anthony returned on Feb. 20, the Knicks are averaging 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Anthony off the floor and just 97.6 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor.

    Even worse, they are allowing 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor and just 95.1 points per 100 with him off the floor.

    They're also shooting 5.6 percent better with Anthony off the floor. With Anthony on the floor, opponents are shooting 4.5 percent higher. Yikes.


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    ^ Which is why you don't knee jerk and change D'antoni.

    Either Melo plays like a professional and adapts, or you ditch his ass. Just like what happened with Sloan and Deron.

    edit -- and Deron was still performing elite

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    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    ^ Which is why you don't knee jerk and change D'antoni.

    Either Melo plays like a professional and adapts, or you ditch his ass. Just like what happened with Sloan and Deron.

    edit -- and Deron was still performing elite
    Agree, these guys screaming to change D'antoni refuse to acknowledge the deficiencies in Amare and Carmelo.

    They also refuse to acknowledge that other teams do play defense and rebound.

    The Bulls are a phenomenal rebounding team. It appears the Bucks also can send just one guy and he will outrebound our team.

    It pisses me off how much Carmelo and Amare are paid and how they perform vs players making drastically less.
    * not 1 D'antoni hater or blind melo/amare supporter wants to tackle that head on. They refuse to even address the lack of hustle. They don't even want to describe what 38$ million dollars is supposed to be valued on the court. a quarter of a million dollars per 48 minutes. What does it look like? is it just some shots? because I can pay steve novak 10million and get more- if we are just talking offense.

    Knicks can't contend with Miami and Bulls without hustle on both sides of the ball. You can't coach desire and commitment. That has to come from within and even if you pour millions on these max cats ~ it seems nothing will inspire them - they aren't hungry like its their last shot in the NBA.

    Jeremy Lin makes 6000$ a game and he hustles from the beginning to the end. He hits the ground more than any other Knick - though Chandler, Jeffries and Shumpert also hustle!!!!

    I want to see what 38 MILLION DOLLARS worth of HUSTLE looks like. Because I don't see even 1000$ of hustle from the max cats.

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    Originally Posted by knicksin60
    Melo isn't a winner. He is probably the Michael Jordan of overrated players. Which means that he is the greatest at being overrated. I tried to defend him in the past but it is impossible to continue defending a player that has such a losing mentality and is everything that a great player is not. At this point in his career Anthony would probably be a bench player or a third scoring option on a playoff team like the Thunder. He is just as lazy and effortless as Jerome James on the defensive end, he makes all the players around him worst, when he isn't scoring he is as useless as Amar'e Stoudemire and he is robbing the Knicks with his ridiculous contract. The only thing good that Carmelo did in his career was score a lot of points and sell a lot of jerseys.

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    Originally Posted by kinein
    Jeremy Lin makes 6000$ a game and he hustles from the beginning to the end. He hits the ground more than any other Knick - though Chandler, Jeffries and Shumpert also hustle!!!!

    I want to see what 38 MILLION DOLLARS worth of HUSTLE looks like. Because I don't see even 1000$ of hustle from the max cats.
    The irony is that some athletes who get their big payday are no longer hungry. They become complacent.

    Lin is still new, getting paid 4th-string PG money and, therefore, hungry like a mofo. Lin still wants to prove himself after being traded from team to team and going through life fighting adversity. The guy will throw his body at players twice as big as him for 2 points (+1) because he wants to win.

    The best athletes still play hungry after they made their payday because they have the drive to win a ring. I'm not seeing that from STAT and Melo except when they're down 20 points in the 4th quarter when it's too late.

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    Originally Posted by kinein
    The Bulls are a phenomenal rebounding team. It appears the Bucks also can send just one guy and he will outrebound our team.
    Chicago does lead the league in rebounds per game but getting killed on the board like yesterday's game was unacceptable. Our bigs are just not moving their feet to get to the loose balls.

    Bucks, OTOH, sucked at rebounding until they ran into NY Knicks.

    It's definitely not MDA's fault.

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    Originally Posted by VeryGundy
    Chicago does lead the league in rebounds per game but getting killed on the board like yesterday's game was unacceptable. Our bigs are just not moving their feet to get to the loose balls.

    Bucks, OTOH, sucked at rebounding until they ran into NY Knicks.

    It's definitely not MDA's fault.
    So true. I just see so much D'antoni hate - in various Knicks forums. Its incredible. And listening to them LIVE on the Radio. When they are screaming?!

    Haha Bucks Eliysova - guys a monster in the clutch. I was watching the Bucks beat teams quietly in the 1st-half of the season, had a question mark for em. They are a contender.

    I fully expect our team to come out with EVEN MORE HUSTLE in oh... 16-17 hours from now.

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    Originally Posted by freshfunk5
    The irony is that some athletes who get their big payday are no longer hungry. They become complacent.

    Lin is still new, getting paid 4th-string PG money and, therefore, hungry like a mofo. Lin still wants to prove himself after being traded from team to team and going through life fighting adversity. The guy will throw his body at players twice as big as him for 2 points (+1) because he wants to win.

    The best athletes still play hungry after they made their payday because they have the drive to win a ring. I'm not seeing that from STAT and Melo except when they're down 20 points in the 4th quarter when it's too late.

    Spot-on post!

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