View Poll Results: What do the Knicks have to do to start winning again?

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  • Losing streaks happen to all teams. The Knicks will be fine.

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  • Get rid of Antoni. Keep everyone else.

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  • Dump JELLO and Antoni. Keep everyone else.

    4 12.90%
  • Dump SHAT and Antoni. Keep everyone else.

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  • Dump SHAT, JELLO, and Antoni.

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Thread: What the Knicks Should do to Improve

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Fix **** like this:



    How about we don't pay people $18M to score 9 points, grab 5 boards, and have no ****ing idea of what you're doing.
    STAT has the defensive awareness of a 7 year old in a youth league...

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    Originally Posted by lookgrabpull
    I'd trade Amare for anything that might resemble a PF.
    I would even do it for Bargnani (good outside scoring, decent 1on1 defense, will know his place next to Carmelo). TOR will grab that in a heartbeat.

    But even straight up without Stat:
    I'd start Carmelo at the 4. Start Lin, Shump, Fields and Chandler.
    Good defense, good speed, good hustle, melo can shoot. PnR Lin and Chandler.

    This group was on the floor for about 2 mins last game and it did great.

    And get a new coach while we're at it. Cuz this guy is catatonic.

    Peace.
    The problem with that is that SHAT has 80 million dollars left in his contract. His contract is Rashard Lewis and Gilbert Arenas scary. In this economy, most teams won't want to pay a guy 80 million, unless he's Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, or Kevin Durant.

    The only team I could see signing SHAT is maybe the Lakers, since they're desperate.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Fix **** like this:



    How about we don't pay people $18M to score 9 points, grab 5 boards, and have no ****ing idea of what you're doing.
    Good lord. That is horrific.

    The other gif going around showing Amarie *literally* showing the form of a seasoned matador is equally as stunning.

    This guy just kills me. Even before we signed him, I couldn't handle this fools' fatal flaws.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    The problem with that is that SHAT has 80 million dollars left in his contract. His contract is Rashard Lewis and Gilbert Arenas scary. In this economy, most teams won't want to pay a guy 80 million, unless he's Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, or Kevin Durant.
    True.

    But I still do think we could delude some teams into taking him on. Even just getting rid of his salary, and getting a 1st and/or a quality complimentary bench player.

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    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    Good lord. That is horrific.

    The other gif going around showing Amarie *literally* showing the form of a seasoned matador is equally as stunning.

    This guy just kills me. Even before we signed him, I couldn't handle this fools' fatal flaws.

    I saw the play. To be fair STAT was trailing Brand (who's behind Chandler in this pic) and was overly concerned with him. His problem started when he didnt keep an eye on the man and the ball...

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    The problem with that is that SHAT has 80 million dollars left in his contract. His contract is Rashard Lewis and Gilbert Arenas scary. In this economy, most teams won't want to pay a guy 80 million, unless he's Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, or Kevin Durant.

    The only team I could see signing SHAT is maybe the Lakers, since they're desperate.
    Dude. TOR is desperate and they've got enough cap space to sign anyone. Besides, Colangelo loves Stat from Phoenix days. Dunno. Might work.

    Also knuckles is right, we might not get anything decent out of it but who cares. Right now he's a liability.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Because #1) he's in a terrible system. And #2) Amar'e can not play in a system where he's NOT the primary PnR man. There's a reason why he goes for big point totals like 27 against the Bucks when Tyson doesn't play. There's a reason why he's been primarily a jump shooter, and takes those awkward drives to the rim that doesn't work BECAUSE TYSON IS BEING USED AS THE PRIMARY P&R MAN, IT'S WHAT HE DOES AS A CENTER ON THE OFFENSIVE END (SEE THE TYSON & CP3 DUO BACK IN THE DAY
    Anthony is in a terrible system. So is Lin and Chandler, and they're playing excellent basketball.

    The system is no excuse for why he's sluggish and can't shoot the ball in the ocean.
    Al Harrington and David Lee survived Antoni's crappy system, so there's no reason why JELLO shouldn't be able to break 45% from the field.

    Stoudemire still looked like he lost a step, even when Chandler was injured.
    I didn't see him with the same explosiveness or automatic jump shot he had last season.

    Anthony is not the answer to the Knicks' problems. He needs to go, while his stock is still high.
    The Anthony and A.I. duo failed in Denver, and the Anthony and SHAT duo has failed in New York.

    Did we really expect JELLO and SHAT to be averaging a combined 38 points on a combined 42% shooting for 42 million dollars a year? Better yet, did we expect the Knicks to be 2 games away from the falling to 10th place, more than two-thirds into the season?

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Fix **** like this:



    How about we don't pay people $18M to score 9 points, grab 5 boards, and have no ****ing idea of what you're doing.
    Classic Stat on D. This is from the Bucks game and right after this Lin started yelling at him for NOT EVER PLAYING D.

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    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    Classic Stat on D. This is from the Bucks game and right after this Lin started yelling at him for NOT EVER PLAYING D.
    Nah. This pic is from todays game against Philly...

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    The Knicks have 2 All Stars(Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire) and 2 potential All Stars(Jeremy Lin and Tyson Chandler).

    However, SHAT decided to go into the season 20 lbs overweight, and JELLO decided to try out for the 3 point contest instead of playing team basketball.

    The ONLY way to fix this is to do the following:
    1. Fire Mike Antoni. This guy has no idea how to coach a team. He wants to force JELLO and SHAT to coexist, when it's obvious they don't and probably never will. The Melo duo experiment failed with Iverson, and it's failing with Whackmire.
    2. Trade Anthony. Right now, his stock is still high, because teams are assuming he's just in a slump and will snap out of it. Many people also think he's just playing hurt or that he just needs the right system. Now is the time to shop him around. If the Knicks wait until next year, he will be an expiring contract, and teams will only offer junk to get him.
    3. Make Jeremy Lin and Tyson Chandler the focal point of the offense. SHAT needs to squat down and watch how it's done. Then he can get his points here and there in the flow of the sewer.
    4. Start Steve Novak. The Knicks need a guy who can make the defense go out on the perimeter. That will open things up for SHAT and Chandler.
    5. Use midlevel exception to get a replacement for SHAT. This guy is going to finish washing up by 2014. The Knicks need a replacement.
    6. Continue to develop Shumpert.
    I agree ecept trading Melo

    As bad as Melo is playing, he does not have a coach telling him what to do and even Jordan needed Phil Jackson to coach him to some titles.

    We need a coach that can light a fire up the asses of these useless million dollar players.

    Amare is awful right now, his defense is a laughing stock and he needs a coach to bench him when it looks like he doesnt even want to be out there.

    I can't stand this coach anymore

    What does it take to get a coach fired?

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    get a real coach!!!! that would be a start!!

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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    Nah. This pic is from todays game against Philly...
    Oh crap your right. This same thing happens every night though. Stat doesn't think he needs to defend guards after our guards get screened. Chandler consistently yells at him for it to no avail. Damn I get frustrated even thinking about it.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    I agree ecept trading Melo

    As bad as Melo is playing, he does not have a coach telling him what to do and even Jordan needed Phil Jackson to coach him to some titles.

    We need a coach that can light a fire up the asses of these useless million dollar players.

    Amare is awful right now, his defense is a laughing stock and he needs a coach to bench him when it looks like he doesnt even want to be out there.

    I can't stand this coach anymore

    What does it take to get a coach fired?
    I agree 100%. Melo can succeed here because he CARES. Stat doesn't give a sh*t if we win or lose. He constantly smiles and jokes around after losses only to have Lin and Chandler walking around with their heads low. Half of Melo's problem's here are that the coach doesn't put him in a position to play good.

    Rewatch the game from today, there was multiple shots of Amare smiling with Melo sitting there with his head down, UPSET. Stat doesn't give a sh*t and he hasn't gave a sh*t all season. He used a ***** as$ injury as an excuse to not practice all summer and now that he can practice he doesn't try to fix any of his problems.

    All in all this falls on MDA for not coaching his stars and not coming up with a solution to help his guys succeed. There's a reason MDA's head was on the chopping block before Lin emerged, HE CAN'T COACH AND HE CAN'T handle our stars. He NEVER holds them accountable but he'll rip off the weaker players heads for small mistakes. That leads to hostility in the locker room.

    MDA NEVER has a gameplan for our team. His plan is to have our guys go out and run 3 basic plays, all of them including the pick and roll and back screen to free out the guy on the baseline for the oop.

    Once our opponents figure out those plays, our guys have no other options but ISO and WING IT which leads to turnover after turnover. Our opponents come into our game with the strategy to cover the pick and roll, attack Stat all day and when we help Stat kill us with the WIDE OPEN corner/wing 3's.

    Are the people here defending Stat serious? The dude can't defend, especially not the pick and roll. He looks like a Stat-ue out there... UGH sorry for the rant, fire this dumbass coach already and just hope whatever new coach we get can get our guys to start playing like a team again.

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    Melo's contract has 2 further years on it btw it's not expiring next year.

    We definitely need a new coach whether Antoni is good or not it's just not working. Bottom line.

    I really wish we would get a new coach NOW, see what happens between now and the season's end and re-evaluate. If we could somehow trade STAT it would be amazing I just don't think it's even in the realms of possibility. The jury is out on Melo but this year he's been shocking. He's also Eddy Curry like in his physique which is a big concern.

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    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    I agree 100%. Melo can succeed here because he CARES. Stat doesn't give a sh*t if we win or lose. He constantly smiles and jokes around after losses only to have Lin and Chandler walking around with their heads low. Half of Melo's problem's here are that the coach doesn't put him in a position to play good.

    Rewatch the game from today, there was multiple shots of Amare smiling with Melo sitting there with his head down, UPSET. Stat doesn't give a sh*t and he hasn't gave a sh*t all season. He used a ***** as$ injury as an excuse to not practice all summer and now that he can practice he doesn't try to fix any of his problems.

    All in all this falls on MDA for not coaching his stars and not coming up with a solution to help his guys succeed. There's a reason MDA's head was on the chopping block before Lin emerged, HE CAN'T COACH AND HE CAN'T handle our stars. He NEVER holds them accountable but he'll rip off the weaker players heads for small mistakes. That leads to hostility in the locker room.

    MDA NEVER has a gameplan for our team. His plan is to have our guys go out and run 3 basic plays, all of them including the pick and roll and back screen to free out the guy on the baseline for the oop.

    Once our opponents figure out those plays, our guys have no other options but ISO and WING IT which leads to turnover after turnover. Our opponents come into our game with the strategy to cover the pick and roll, attack Stat all day and when we help Stat kill us with the WIDE OPEN corner/wing 3's.

    Are the people here defending Stat serious? The dude can't defend, especially not the pick and roll. He looks like a Stat-ue out there... UGH sorry for the rant, fire this dumbass coach already and just hope whatever new coach we get can get our guys to start playing like a team again.
    nice follow up and I totally agree with your analysis of Mike no Dtoni....he never yells at Amare or Melo for mistakes that he yells at young players for. You yell at a young player when the veteran should not be making the mistake due to more experience? HE IS TOO SCARED TO HOLD HIS PLAYERS ACCOUNTABLE AND HIS PHILOSOPHY IS KILLING OUR TEAM

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