View Poll Results: What do the Knicks have to do to start winning again?

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  • Losing streaks happen to all teams. The Knicks will be fine.

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  • Get rid of Antoni. Keep everyone else.

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  • Dump JELLO and Antoni. Keep everyone else.

    4 12.90%
  • Dump SHAT and Antoni. Keep everyone else.

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  • Dump SHAT, JELLO, and Antoni.

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  • There's no hope.

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Thread: What the Knicks Should do to Improve

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    Before the start of the season, this is what I expected:
    Carmelo Anthony would average 25 points on 45% shooting and 35% shooting from 3, to go along with 6 rebounds and 5 assists.
    Amar'e Stoudemire would be averaging 22 points on 55% shoting and 8 rebounds.
    Tyson Chandler would be averaging 10 points, 10 rebounds, and 1.5 blocks on 50% shooting.
    Jeremy Lin who?

    What actually happened:
    Jeremy Lin dropped 38 points on Kobe and led the team to a 7 game winning streak. He's averaging 15 points and 6 assists.
    Tyson Chandler is averaging 11.4 points, 10 rebounds, 1.5 blocks on 69% shooting.
    Amar'e Stoudemire is overweight, lost 80% of his lift on his legs, and is averaging 17 points, 8 rebounds, on 45% shooting. At one point in his mediocore season, he shot 41%.
    Carmelo Anthony is overweight, seldom posts up, and chucks jump shots all day. He averages his lowest point per game total since his sophomore year and is shooting a career-low 40%. He's making 20 million dollars and is supposed to be in his prime, yet he looks like he's on his way to retirement.

    I understand people want to be patient with Anthony, but we are 65% into the season. Even in last year's playoffs, he shot under 38% from the field. This is not a mini-slump. This is JELLO. Slumps don't last an entire season, folks.

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    1. Knicks are a train wreck.
    2. Other teams know it and will not take Stat or Melo unless we give them away.
    3. Even if not D'antoni's fault, he has lost this team, no one will listen to him anymore. Although, what other coach with this talent would have a losing record?
    4. Lin is really a rookie and based on that and the teams mess he is a young PG with decent potential.
    5. Chandler deserves better.

    So, fire D'antoni, let Wodson take over, and if Stat & Melo continue to fail then work on getting some value for them in a trade.

    Work on next year in getting JVG back if we can.

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    Originally Posted by CLYDE
    1. Knicks are a train wreck.
    2. Other teams know it and will not take Stat or Melo unless we give them away.
    3. Even if not D'antoni's fault, he has lost this team, no one will listen to him anymore. Although, what other coach with this talent would have a losing record?
    4. Lin is really a rookie and based on that and the teams mess he is a young PG with decent potential.
    5. Chandler deserves better.

    So, fire D'antoni, let Wodson take over, and if Stat & Melo continue to fail then work on getting some value for them in a trade.

    Work on next year in getting JVG back if we can.
    I'm at the point where I'd give Stat away. At least we can go into games with a chance to defend and a chance to win.

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    FIRE DANTONI AND PUT US OUT OUR MISERY

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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    FIRE DANTONI AND PUT US OUT OUR MISERY
    That flick is classic.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    Carmelo Anthony is overweight, seldom posts up, and chucks jump shots all day. He averages his lowest point per game total since his sophomore year and is shooting a career-low 40%. He's making 20 million dollars and is supposed to be in his prime, yet he looks like he's on his way to retirement.
    Carmelo was in the low to mid 30's prior to the last few games.

    See 8-15 record and the torrential flood of losses since his return. We've spent more than half a season watching games lost as he gets his shot back.

    You would think that a "superstar" would have at least been practicing in the off-season and working out.

    I understand that once a guy gets married and has kids - half of them stop being as professional - and start eating crap and train less. But then again Carmelo has never made that college - to pro - transition and taking his athleticism to the next level. He is physically worse off then he was coming out of Syracuse.

    Its another reason why he takes so many breaks on defense, and why he gives up intermittently in-game. Walking, or just pretending to Defense. Or having to foul - because its all a chain of events - starting with his physical condition.

    Its also that poor physical condition that led to injuries. Being in good shape - hitting the gym, eating right - all prevent injuries and we are seeing the 3rd or 4th set of repercussions now that he has recovered.

    He may need the entire regular season to get into competitive form and be able to defend as well as ISO and burn the clock and hopefully hit 1 shot for every 2-3 shots the other team hits in the same amount of time.

    * I still am rooting that he will pick up the slack and start defending from the moment he steps onto the court til he gets off it - and not the lackadasical defense and poor attempts that lead to fouls. He needs to glue or strap himself onto his man.





    The different is he hasn't gained weight that does anything. Fat doesn't make him spin faster, or help him balance more in the air, or jump higher.

    This is weight that has no function other then - to keep him warm. Another reason why he is having trouble dunking and isn't as explosive now. He's in mediocre shape for an NBA athlete. Another problem that it takes years of physical training for the body to mature when it comes to muscle maturity. The best he can do is lean out and lose the flab.

    Don't believe me look at MJ as he entered the NBA and MJ in his final seasons with the Bulls. Lebron early on til now. Kobe early on til now. etc etc.

    Guys a professional athlete being paid millions. Needs to take his work-ethic to the next level now or never. He isn't "super-star level" super-stars work harder then the pros.
    Last edited by kinein; Mar 11, 2012 at 22:46.

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    Heads must roll to send a message.

    Getting rid of either Stat or Melo in the middle of a shortened season is not the way to go. We are probably not going to get much in return.

    Let MDA go. One less head to chop during the off-season.

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    Well above the Head Coach and the personnel, we need a new owner. We need someone that will do what ever it takes to win and not for cash. We need a Mark Cuban or Jerry Bust, an owner that will sign who ever or fire who ever in order to get the hardware.

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    Fat is actually lighter than muscle.

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    Originally Posted by BIG APPLE SPORTS
    Well above the Head Coach and the personnel, we need a new owner. We need someone that will do what ever it takes to win and not for cash. We need a Mark Cuban or Jerry Bust, an owner that will sign who ever or fire who ever in order to get the hardware.
    How about Mark Zuckerberg? He is smart enough to invent something out of nothing. Maybe he will be smart enough to whip our boys into shape. If not, he will have enough money to buy out Miami heat and move their big three over to MSG.

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    A coach shouldn't have to yell - last I checked Carmelo is a father and so is Amare.

    But then again ~ I wouldn't mind if he yelled. But I don't think him yelling will change anything - those guys have to change themselves.

    Just want to time-travel to the next game. I'm done with today's loss. Already watched the Cavs and Bucks climb 1 game closer today -_-
    Last edited by kinein; Mar 12, 2012 at 00:02.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Because #1) he's in a terrible system. And #2) Amar'e can not play in a system where he's NOT the primary PnR man. There's a reason why he goes for big point totals like 27 against the Bucks when Tyson doesn't play. There's a reason why he's been primarily a jump shooter, and takes those awkward drives to the rim that doesn't work BECAUSE TYSON IS BEING USED AS THE PRIMARY P&R MAN, IT'S WHAT HE DOES AS A CENTER ON THE OFFENSIVE END (SEE THE TYSON & CP3 DUO BACK IN THE DAY

    So even if you get another coach, and that coach has Tyson operating the P&R, you have a problem....what's STAT doing? He's not a jump shooter (check his percentages this year), he has no post game, he doesn't get offensive boards, what does he do!?!??!??!??!?!?!??!?!??!??!??!?!??!?

    So when you trade Melo, get another coach, and STAT is still getting 15-17 ppg because Tyson is still running the P&R, what are you doing then?



    Good point ppl need to realize it is mostly the coach you don't just throw away all this talent without giving it a run with a GOOD coach that implements a system that can help this team.


    Like Nuckles said STAT's main problem he's the secondary P&R man, Melo's is first he had the ball way too much trying to be a point forward which he'll never be to now he doesn't get the ball enough and when he does he's never in rhythm. Mike D'Antoni is putting too much trust and pressure in Lin this guy always has a hard on for PG's and he wants Lin to develop faster than he is developing so he can ride Lin like he did with Nash.

    1st. New coach
    2nd. Melo needs to be more involved run similar plays and sets for like Karl did in Denver, get him in the post a lot more.
    3rd. Amare needs to be the primary pick and roll man when he's on the floor
    4th. Either bench Lin or stop overly relying on him because when he does mess up the entire flow of the offense is gone to ****.

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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl

    No disrespect to Lin, but he's not that good to be taking the last shot with the game on the line day in day out. He plays scared a lot when the pressure is on.

    Your going to have to give me an example of the last time in crunch-time when Lin needed to make a shot he didn't deliver to tie or win the game.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    JELLO shoots 40% and makes 20 million a year. How does it not make sense to dump him?
    Jello was shooting mid 30% for more than half the season - he only recently got into 40%. Big difference. Its also why we he has a really bad win to loss record when he has played for the team this season. Just adding to your reply

    And I'm quoting Melo supporters : "He is SO CLUTCH, He is a VOLUME shooter, he has to get enough touches!"


    Course at the same time: I'm watching all the top teams and their players shooting at a minimum of 45% thats MINIMUM. A lot of these teams are averaging 48-51%

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    Originally Posted by BananaSauce
    Fat is actually lighter than muscle.
    Profound...

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