View Poll Results: Who's to blame for the losing

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  • Carmelo

    5 12.20%
  • Dantoni

    21 51.22%
  • Amare

    3 7.32%
  • Lin

    2 4.88%
  • Toney Douglas

    0 0%
  • Everyone gets the blame

    6 14.63%
  • sick of this team blow it up

    4 9.76%
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Thread: Who's Fault is it that the knicks are Losing

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    Default Who's Fault is it that the knicks are Losing

    Saw this poll on another site, who's fault is it?

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    Entire team, though Amare with 3 boards.. and Carmelo's hustle hurt the team a lot. Shumpert doesn't need to go ISO and kill the clock, Carmelo and Shumpert slowed down our clicking offense a few times - JR Smith had some momentum busting turnovers and missed an easy lay-up. Harrelson was zero-sum. But for the most part the team had to rebound not just Amare not just Carmelo. But you expect more from guys earning millions and millions of dollars. Max cats. Landry needs to shoot several thousands 3pters and just defer to Lin or Melo or Novak or anyone else for the 3pter. He hasn't hit a 3pt in - I've never seen him hit one.... :O

    Taj Gibson came off the bench for the Bulls and came up clutch with more then a dozen rebounds and shots to go with it.

    BUT THIS IS A TURNING POINT. Knicks are finally over the hump - of identifying what they have to work on and starting to click.

    D'antoni can't rebound for them. They have to rebound. 80+ bulls rebound to 30+ knicks in the early part of 4th quarter says it all. Anyone blaming D'antoni for this loss needs to do some soul searching.

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    its mda fault again. he didn't unleash the jordanmania

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    I'm sick of guys blaming 1 player this is a team thing from MDA to JJ

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    I'm sick of guys blaming 1 player this is a team thing from MDA to JJ
    But this "one" player is key player. Remember Linsanity? How good knicks play, how fun, now knicks play very bad. What has changed during the month? One player

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    Originally Posted by 2012
    But this "one" player is key player. Remember Linsanity? How good knicks play, how fun, now knicks play very bad. What has changed during the month? One player
    To be honest this one player you speak of has had a very successful NBA career and now all of sudden he's cancer to be honest I hope they trade him because us Knicks fans don't deserve any good players look at what we do to our players its annoying as hell to be honest

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    I'm sick of guys blaming 1 player this is a team thing from MDA to JJ
    If we're winning it's all "my boy Melo", if we're losing it's "a team thing". Who gave up in the middle of Q3 because his shots weren't falling and made us play 4 against 5? Lamelo. Who's been looking uninterested in playing lately? Lamelo. Who's been acting like a martyr? Lamelo. Who hasn't been joining huddles? Lamelo. Who's been destroying team chemistry? Lamelo.

    We were winning with MDA and without Amare and Carmelo.
    We were winning with MDA and Amare and without Carmelo.
    We are losing with MDA, Amare and Carmelo.

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    If we're winning it's all "my boy Melo", if we're losing it's "a team thing". Who gave up in the middle of Q3 because his shots weren't falling and made us play 4 against 5? Lamelo. Who's been looking uninterested in playing lately? Lamelo. Who's been acting like a martyr? Lamelo. Who hasn't been joining huddles? Lamelo. Who's been destroying team chemistry? Lamelo.

    We were winning with MDA and without Amare and Carmelo.
    We were winning with MDA and Amare and without Carmelo.
    We are losing with MDA, Amare and Carmelo.
    yup. guys have to admit they can see melo, getting whiny toward teammates on courts, creating team division - and sitting out of team huddles.

    everyone sees that - if you have ever been on a team you know what carmelo is doing - hurts the team in many ways and has a long-lasting impact.

    he talks as if he is a leader but doesnt act like one or play like one. he doesn't actively support his teammates on the court compared to say Kobe. who is constantly man-hugging, double high-fiving, ass slapping etc his teammates

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    Angry Lets get this right....

    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    If we're winning it's all "my boy Melo", if we're losing it's "a team thing". Who gave up in the middle of Q3 because his shots weren't falling and made us play 4 against 5? Lamelo. Who's been looking uninterested in playing lately? Lamelo. Who's been acting like a martyr? Lamelo. Who hasn't been joining huddles? Lamelo. Who's been destroying team chemistry? Lamelo.

    We were winning with MDA and without Amare and Carmelo.
    We were winning with MDA and Amare and without Carmelo.
    We are losing with MDA, Amare and Carmelo.

    Lets fix this.....

    We were winning when MDA put Wilson Chandler in the starting lineup.
    We were winning when MDA rotation of players were 70% ending contracts.
    We are losing with MDA poor substitution of bench players....
    after 42 games, we still dont have a tandem, or trio, or quad of bench-player
    line-up that co-exist as a unit.
    Do we have a chemistry bench-lineup we used consistently this season? NO!
    Why? MDA 8 man rotation favored 3-ball shooters off the bench keeping the
    offense stagnate with no defensive plan or defensive setup to defend the paint
    or the defensive-rebound.

    Who should be our 6th, 7th, and 8th man off the bench each game to end the
    first quarter and 3rd quarter?
    Who should be our starters of the 2nd and 4th quarter?

    Our Bench players need familuarity with their teammate bench players
    by getting playingtime together

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    different coach with a real set of balls and someone who holds the players accountable will change this team.

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    Answer: REBOUNDING.

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    Originally Posted by czoneny
    Answer: REBOUNDING.
    It's Melo. Record with him and without him said it all.

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    “We’re in a dogfight,” [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] said. “Should we worry about it? No, you shouldn't. I think everybody understands the stakes.”

    "They have to know that it's disappointing to lose one like this, but they have to know we played better, they have to know that Wednesday we start to try to keep eighth place or better. After an hour you shake it off, shake it off and get one on Wednesday.”
    So why did [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] call the Knicks’ 104-99 defeat at the hands of the Chicago Bulls “encouraging?” Because they had quit, at times, on themselves and their embattled coach during this losing streak, which stands now at six games. Here, at least, they didn’t throw in the towel at the first sign of trouble against the top team in the East and the league’s reigning MVP.

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    Is it the system or the philosophy, the style or the attitude? Whatever it is, this coach is not working with this team & ultimately it's the HC's responsibility to make it work & he's utterly failed in that regard, almost from the get-go since he's arrived in NYC.

    I realize the Knicks aren't as bad as they've looked during this 1-8 stretch, nor were they as good as they appeared when they rolled off a 9-1 stretch. Highs & Lows bros.

    I realize Amare has disappointed this season. Is this b/c of the lockout & the fact he had the back issue, & he "rested" for months, or is this b/c he's on the decline. We wont know this until next season. But STAT is part of the problem.

    I realize Carmelo plays like a chicken w/out a head at times on the court, that his body language is more spoiled brat than championship-caliber leader, & he plays defense like a Spanish matador for 3 quarters.

    I do put the bulk of the blame on the feet of our two 100 mil$ players.

    But, let's get honest & be real here. When we courted Amar'e, D'antoni wasn't thrilled about it. When we dealt for Carmelo, D'antoi wasn't thrilled about it. The forever-be-optimist facade is BS, & I think the players see that.

    NYK is losing games b/c of mental toughness. They are afraid to fail (gutless). They cannot seem to mesh, hustle, care, try hard, be focused, close out games. THIS IS WHAT THE COACH IS SUPPOSED TO SOLVE!

    (This is whey CHI & LAK brought it the Zen master himself).

    Mainly, this group of Knicks refuse to GET ANGRY, get mean & nasty... be aggressive. This is a reflection on D'anotni.

    DAL struggled in the middle of last season. Their coach preached defense & toughness, and eventually the team got their act together. This team is a mirror of that squad, but the missing ingredient is the message, style, philosophy of the coach.

    On top of that, D'antoni's substitiution patterns, and late game managing is atrocious, and partle responsible for about 7 of our 24 losses This season.

    I am sure of 2 things though:

    1) This team will make the playoffs, be the 8th seed, and they will battle hard against MIA. If... and this a major if... I-F, they somehow manage to win that Game 1, they will gain confidence & mojo. Game 1 (or 2) will be close, & it will boil down to execution... If this team gains confidence in themselves and buy into winning, & believe they have the power to make that happen, then they will come home to MSG for Game 3, and have a chance to get series to a game 5 tied 2-2. Anything is possible. I doubt it, but MIA is shaky in the mental dep't as well, and if we shake their confidince & prevent the Heat from playing out in front (when they thrive on the bully-role), we could shock the world.

    2) NO matter what happens, Phil jax will be coaching this team next year, and we all will witness what a diference a HC can make.

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    Lightbulb Coach Adelman vs Dantoni

    Have u notice after 42 Knicks games our big-3 frontcourt have NO-chemistry....
    in the last 6 losses 65% of those losses came from giving up to many offensive-rebounds
    in the second-half of the game....we gave Knicks oponents 2nd & 3rd shot attempts
    to win the game.

    How long does it take to teach three-frontcourt players their number-one job is
    to protect the paint by grabbing every defensive-rebound....a defensive-rebound
    is also considered a "stop"....the Knicks 18-24 record is from no-stops in the 2nd half of
    the game.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman

    How long does it take to teach three-frontcourt players their number-one job is
    to protect the paint by grabbing every defensive-rebound....a defensive-rebound
    is also considered a "stop"....the Knicks 18-24 record is from no-stops in the 2nd half of the game.
    Do you think Adelman will dump the Wolves in order to coach the Knicks?

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