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    Dantoni is a fool because he dont see how well Toney Douglas combo-talent would work well with Baron Davis style of play as a tandem in the backcourt with Shump help as G/F.

    Dantoni has not worked on Davis & Smith as a veteran backcourt to challenge the Lin & Fields backcourt....to see the affects both backcourts have with Melo, Stat, Tyson....we already know at the return of Jefferies what lineup Jefferies should be in Tyson, Novak, Shump or Fields, and Lin.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    That's called spacing the court, which is a staple of MDA's offense. Gallo didn't move all that much either. He would routinely stand in the corner, so that way the floor would be spaced for the spread PnR.

    MDA's system is spread the floor (which means back away from the paint, keep your man drawn away from the middle), run the high PnR, PG make a play.

    Melo is breaking the offense when he posts up, and there's no movement off of his posts..because it's not the offense.

    If a play or two were called for Melo to post up, that would be a different story.

    This is MDA's system. Landry's cuts aren't even scripted, there's no down screens, back screens, or double screens. It's just a heady player making moves. You can't expect everyone to operate like that naturally.

    Ray Allen, KD, and Kevin Martin get a variety of screens, rescreens, and baseline curls. KD and Kevin Martin were tops in the league in free throw attempts last year. Kevin Martin almost led the league in 3s made and free throws made.

    That's utilizing the talents of a player.

    The funny thing about all of the Melo hate is that it's coming off of him trying to do what the coach wants. To begin the season he was running point forward, and doing a terrible job at it. We get Lin -- now he's running the spread out, PnR oriented attack...failing cause it does NOTHING to incorporate his skill set.

    He and Amar'e finally ran some 2-man game last night and it worked the few times they tried. Then the team went back to "everyone spread it out, and watch, and wait."

    George Karl's coaching philosophy is based on leading the league in points in the paint, and free throws attempted. Melo thrived on the offensive end in that system.

    Why is he standing on the perimeter for us, like Gallo did?

    His nickname was "beast on the block" for a reason. Can we utilize his talents....please? He's not a jump shooter, he's a rhythm shooter. Perimeter play is not his forte.

    Once again....why is he constantly out there? It's the supplemental part of his game, not the primary aspect of it.

    Last time....why is he out there?!?!?
    Bravo!!

    Finally, a voice of reason... devoid of emotional reaction.

    You'd think that posters/fans would notice a career 24pt 45% player, that "HAS ALL OF A SUDDEN" produced his lowest numbers of his career would indicate that it's the coach and his system but they'd rather point to Jeremy Lin as some sort of anectdotal response.

    Jeremy Lin. The same player who this Coach didn't even know he had until he was FORCED to play him ala Mozgov and a slew of others.

    You'd think that this coach, who swears he NEEDS a PG, would have declined his offer without an assurance of having a top-rate PG... makes you think MDA didn't even realize he needed a PG himself doesn't it?

    So although every Knick team under MDA placed in the bottom echelon of Defense & Rebounding, it must be Carmelo. SMH

    Although MDA has finished sub.500 with every Knick team he's coached, it must be Carmelo.

    Although every Knick team presents a lay_up line on defense, it must be due to Carmelo.

    Although we have upgraded every single position on our team over time yet we still produce similar results, it must be Carmelo.

    And of course, althoguh Many Other Players current and jettisoned have either their worst statistical year or way better off this team, it must be Carmelo.

    SMH.

    Be a man. Admit you were wrong about Mike. Admit he cannot make anyone better purposefully.

    Admit that leadership takes accountability. Admit YOU HAVE ALMOST NEVER HEARD MIKE SAY IT WAS ME AND MY STAFF'S FAULT.

    Accountability. Show me where the leader the coach paid 6mil is accountable! Please.
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    You'd think, when a player needs the ball on the block yet there is no such play in the game-plan from this "offensive genius" there is a glaring weakness and difficiency...

    Denial ain't just a river in Africa....

    Ya dig?

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    Why does the system have to adjust to Melo? If Melo was that good he would be able to adjust and compliment the system, he wanted to come to NY; isn't it on him for not trying to work with what the system gives him?

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    Seems like d'antoni is getting all the credit for linsanity, but we should probably remember that it was actually melo who told the coach to play lin.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Why does the system have to adjust to Melo? If Melo was that good he would be able to adjust and compliment the system, he wanted to come to NY; isn't it on him for not trying to work with what the system gives him?
    I dont get it there is nothing to adjust to. The only difference between how Melo is playing now and how he played at Denver is

    1) His shots aren't falling. He always did those Iso plays where he would spin around and take unbalanced shots.. But now they just aren't going in as much

    2) He isn't DRIVING. Melo used to drive to the basket and attack, and dunk on people all the time. He doesn't do that anymore. Like at all. He plays like he is afraid to get hurt or something. Hes got NO legs right now.. Go back to every time he has at least tried to attack the basket, watch what happened. He gets rejected, HARD, every single time. THat is something D'Antoni has nothing to do with.

    And you are right, he doesn't move without the ball. He just stands on the side and sticks his hand in the air telling Lin to pass it to him. This isn't the same as spacing the floor as what is common in the MDA system. Yeah he has players stand on the corners.. But generally those guys are very good 3 point shooters, which Carmelo is not.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Why does the system have to adjust to Melo? If Melo was that good he would be able to adjust and compliment the system, he wanted to come to NY; isn't it on him for not trying to work with what the system gives him?
    Good coaches adjust to their players.

    Carmelo is currently adjusting to the system, the results are the poor performances that so many want to trade him for.

    You can't take a 27 year old man, who's made his name being a bully on the low block, getting and-1s, averaging 8+ free throws a game -- take that same guy, and ask him to be a jump shooter on the perimeter, then cry bloody mary when it doesn't work.

    What adjustments does Carmelo need to make for the system? He's already surrendered his post game, as to not bring extra bodies in the way of where the end result of the PnR would take place. He's taking the shots he's given in the system, he's just not a catch and shoot player, so he catches, holds, observes, then takes a bad shot or passes it.

    But....if he's not a catch and shoot player....why pray-tell is he being asked to catch and shoot? Is it really as simple as "just please make your shots?" Can't you say that to anyone then? "Dwight, take these 3s and just make 'em dude."

    These are not shots he's accustomed to taking. He needs to be featured, which means the actions, and results of the plays should be designed to put him in his most comfortable spot on the floor, and take the shots that has the highest likelihood's to yield higher field goal percentages.

    It's seriously, that simple.

    Yes we traded for him. yes he's making a lot of money, shouldn't those be the exact reasons why your coach doesn't assign him with the task of "spacing the court" for the sake of the offense?

    In Denver the court was spaced for him. He's not even spacing the court here for any one particular player, it's for the sake of a philosophy.

    I think the Knicks are the only team, paying two individuals 32 million dollars this season, and doesn't feature either one in their offense.

    That's not Carmelo's fault, or Stoudemire's fault. That's a coaching flaw.

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    Originally Posted by Forrest17
    I dont get it there is nothing to adjust to. The only difference between how Melo is playing now and how he played at Denver is

    1) His shots aren't falling. He always did those Iso plays where he would spin around and take unbalanced shots.. But now they just aren't going in as much

    2) He isn't DRIVING. Melo used to drive to the basket and attack, and dunk on people all the time. He doesn't do that anymore. Like at all. He plays like he is afraid to get hurt or something. Hes got NO legs right now.. Go back to every time he has at least tried to attack the basket, watch what happened. He gets rejected, HARD, every single time. THat is something D'Antoni has nothing to do with.

    And you are right, he doesn't move without the ball. He just stands on the side and sticks his hand in the air telling Lin to pass it to him. This isn't the same as spacing the floor as what is common in the MDA system. Yeah he has players stand on the corners.. But generally those guys are very good 3 point shooters, which Carmelo is not.
    Dude, the spread PnR means whoever is not involved with the PnR are spacing the court. We primarily run a 1-5 High PnR, which means our 2, 3, and 4 are getting the **** out the way and watching, ready to catch and shoot should their man collapse and help off of them.

    Melo's assignment now is space, and be ready. He can't operate on the post because that bring an extra defender too close to the end goal of the PnR play. But as you stated, he's not a good 3-point shooter....so why is his assignment in this offense to space the court? He's not a spot up shooter like Joe Johnson, or Jared Dudley...so why is he out there? Clearly he doesn't fit in this system....but we run it anyway? Ok.

    Melo has great foot work in the post, are you kidding? He kills people with those up and unders, draws contact, and gets to the line. When he gets those and-1's it's even better.

    When he got into the post in Denver and went to work, there was movement off the ball. He could either take his man one on one before the double got there, or he could move the ball to a cutting teammate coming off a screen or something.

    The Knicks just stand and watch.

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    There is no reason why we can't post-up w/Melo, especially when he's got a mis-matched! We can run p-n-r and set plays - this gives different looks for opponent to defense. Running p-n-r all the time is too predictable.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Why does the system have to adjust to Melo? If Melo was that good he would be able to adjust and compliment the system, he wanted to come to NY; isn't it on him for not trying to work with what the system gives him?
    No. Because as we've seen, as Melo tries to "fit into this system" he simultaneously renders his skill-set useless.

    Mattr of fact we've seen many player's games and their subsequent impact be reduced in favor of this approach; both player and team as a whole.

    Data shows this system sabbotages defense including rebounding and has an adverse effect on fundamentals such as passing and boxing-out.

    Finally the proof is in the pudding. D'Antoni doesn't have the clout to force players to adjust to his system, especially from a defensive stand point. Melo has thirved in other systems.

    Ultimately this (Melo & MDA) is a bad match for both. But supply & demand dictates that we can find a better fitting system easier and quicker rather than finding a better SF (or any other player) to fit this unproven mess.

    Sorry. The stats show it's NOT Melo, it's the many deficiencies of this coach and his approach.

    An overhaul of the complete roster, has made any player excuses null and void. Same **** different toilet.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Good coaches adjust to their players.

    Carmelo is currently adjusting to the system, the results are the poor performances that so many want to trade him for.

    You can't take a 27 year old man, who's made his name being a bully on the low block, getting and-1s, averaging 8+ free throws a game -- take that same guy, and ask him to be a jump shooter on the perimeter, then cry bloody mary when it doesn't work.

    What adjustments does Carmelo need to make for the system? He's already surrendered his post game, as to not bring extra bodies in the way of where the end result of the PnR would take place. He's taking the shots he's given in the system, he's just not a catch and shoot player, so he catches, holds, observes, then takes a bad shot or passes it.

    But....if he's not a catch and shoot player....why pray-tell is he being asked to catch and shoot? Is it really as simple as "just please make your shots?" Can't you say that to anyone then? "Dwight, take these 3s and just make 'em dude."

    These are not shots he's accustomed to taking. He needs to be featured, which means the actions, and results of the plays should be designed to put him in his most comfortable spot on the floor, and take the shots that has the highest likelihood's to yield higher field goal percentages.

    It's seriously, that simple.

    Yes we traded for him. yes he's making a lot of money, shouldn't those be the exact reasons why your coach doesn't assign him with the task of "spacing the court" for the sake of the offense?

    In Denver the court was spaced for him. He's not even spacing the court here for any one particular player, it's for the sake of a philosophy.

    I think the Knicks are the only team, paying two individuals 32 million dollars this season, and doesn't feature either one in their offense.

    That's not Carmelo's fault, or Stoudemire's fault. That's a coaching flaw.
    Dude? You came back to the light. The good side. I always enjoy reading your stuff, but you had me confused with the trade STAT phase you were going through.

    This post is spot on. I've felt the same way, but I dont always articulate my message as well as you do.

    Keep it up...

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    You really have to be the type of person to believe in the Kony, Osama, Saddam, 9/11, WW1, WW2 hype if you think D'Antoni is just the problem at this point and I don't even like D'Antoni as the Knicks coach.

    Melo has been HORRIBLE all season.
    Exactly. At first, I thought it was Antoni, but how many times does Carmelo Anthony have to go 8-21 from the field before people realize that Melo=Jello?

    If Anthony was in Puerto Rico, they'd be calling him a Tembleque.

    Antoni has to go, but so does JELLO.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    Exactly. At first, I thought it was Antoni, but how many times does Carmelo Anthony have to go 8-21 from the field before people realize that Melo=Jello?

    If Anthony was in Puerto Rico, they'd be calling him a Tembleque.

    Antoni has to go, but so does JELLO.
    You think if MDA played to Melo's strengths he'd go 8-21 from the field?

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    Melo is garbage this year. You can just let him shoot the ball by himself around the court and he would still shot 40%. Let not waste our time talking about this useless junk. Trade or just give him away already.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Why does the system have to adjust to Melo? If Melo was that good he would be able to adjust and compliment the system, he wanted to come to NY; isn't it on him for not trying to work with what the system gives him?

    yes..

    Melo is a bitch. Plain and simple.

    He's a whiny bitch.


    He could play in this system. He could do it..

    But he just doesn't want to.

    He's not a good team guy. He's always pouting, looking frustrated.


    I'm sick of it. He IS Melo Yellow. He is a problem.

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