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    Question Mark Now that Woody is the coach...


    I know Mike... I saw it for years, yet I am not bald (on my head )

    ...we must reevaluate our talent.

    First off there's this:


    Speedball officially died in Westchester on Thursday.

    Interim Knicks coach Mike Woodson staged his first practice Thursday and reporters got to see implementation of a host of structured, deliberate set plays that was absent in the read-and-ract Mike D’Antoni speedball offense. D’Antoni resigned Wednesday, feeling he didn’t have enough guys buying into the share-the-ball system, specifically Carmelo Anthony.

    Amar'e Stoudemire admitted the offensive system is changing dramatically under Woodson in blending more toward the superstars, less toward Linsanity. Woodson admitted afterward point guard Jeremy Lin still is in a “learning stage.’’

    "He's going to utilize his leading scorers, myself and Carmelo (Anthony), make sure he takes advantage of every opportunity on the court,'' Stoudemire said after practice. "We've been profound scorers all our careers. He wants to make sure we take advantage of that."
    “It’s going to be different for us,’’ Stoudemire added. “Coach Woodson has his offense and offensive schemes. We have to readjust to that. We are all receiving it well. We’re excited about it. We can’t wait to play in the new offense.‘’
    We know the offense will be more traditional- ran through Stat & Melo in the post, and on the wing.

    Similar to George Carl's (and many others) fundamental approach of producing high percentage shots at volume, we can expect a few anomalies to become present:

    1. We will draw fouls at an enormous pace
    2. We will play at a slower pace than years past
    3. We will play more half-court ball that is heavily relied upon in the playoffs
    4. We are in YET ANOTHER readjustment/acclimation stage

    Then there's the question of Point Guard; that being: WHICH PG FITS OUR SYSTEM BEST?

    This is an all important question, debated for years under our previous coach, using his system as a reference point.

    Any combination of Lin, BD, JR, Bambi Fields, and Shump can be implored and our new philosophy should dictate this primarily.

    Lets admit the truth; Lin is "still learning" and CANNOT be relied upon in the playoffs at this point. This DOES NOT mean he can't or won't flourish, as his clutchness has been on display for the world to see. That type of intangible is invaluable. Conversely, Bambi Fields has the reputation in his young career as being passive and weak when the bright lights are on. I see this as a sign.

    To be fair, JR as well as Fields have just as much an opportunity to shine within this new system as anyone. With STAT & Melo being Batman & Robin I believe...

    BD should start at PG. I've seen his athletic ability semi-return, his shot improve, and his reacclimation process go smoothly. Unfortunately that was in a different system.

    BD however CAN be relied upon come playoff time. He has the resume, the veteran respect, the decision making ablilty, and the passing skills to compliment STAT & Melo. He also has a fair shot at the PG spot sans the Linsanity hype. F*ck pleasing the Asian fan... no offense. W's mean more.

    My main concern is can BD knock down the kick-out with consistency? I have no doubt he will do as a PG should; know when to drive, know how to get hot players the ball, know how to control the tempo.

    My secondary concern is can BD stop the penetration? I have confiednce he can. His footwork looks good.

    That leaves us with the two.

    Offense, although sporadic comes with both JR and Shump; JR being the most likely to succeed offensively. Shump remaining a question mark for the bright lights.

    The nod goes to Shump in my opinion for a few reasons. He's our best perimeter defender. Although the leadership has changed, the fact that we need to surround STAT & Melo with quality defenders remains. It makes sense to balance the starting unit with defense and versatility. Shump has the job of deprogramming his shoot first mentality to becoming more of facilitator and hustle guy. I'm ordering Bambi Fields to relinquish his notes immediately!

    JR provides a better scoring option to compliment the 2nd unit and give Lin and Novak a potent trio (who can't play defense as well, but hey who cares, we need scoring off-the-bench. We don't plan on having to fight back so often ). Jorts can help with that too, although he too needs to be reprogrammed at the finer (expected) arts of a big man.

    Starters: BD, SHUMP, MELO, STAT, TC (gives us veteran savvy, needed in the playoffs- if we make it . While reducing the likelihood of errors by Lin and Fields, who are young and need better defense to take the pressure of our bigs)

    Bench: LIN, JR, FIELDS, JJ, Jorts (gives us a 2nd unit with scoring, speed, defensive versatility, and a bunch of dudes with something to prove in various capacities.

    Your thoughts?


    *Jerome Jordan is the honorable mention after Jorts. Novak is a lock as our 2nd unit scorer. White Men Can Jump-shoot.

    **Bibby can get the garbage minutes after we're up 20.
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    Pretty much spot on although honestly I don't care who starts at PG. Whoever plays better should start and we'll see how that goes

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    Pretty much spot on although honestly I don't care who starts at PG. Whoever plays better should start and we'll see how that goes
    No concerns for how Lin looked against the HEAT? Compared with what we've seen so far athletically from BD?

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    Originally Posted by Red
    No concerns for how Lin looked against the HEAT? Compared with what we've seen so far athletically from BD?
    Yeah but it was one game.

    Lin played awesome against the Lakers/Mavs...

    Sucked against the Heat...

    Just haven't seen enough of either of them yet. Sure you can probably rely on Baron being more confident and poised come playoff time, yet does he still have the same potential as Lin to explode for 30 pts if our other stars are off?

    That remains to be seen.

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    I agree with literally everything you said especially starting BD over Lin. Lin has better chemistry with the second unit as evidenced by the 7 game win streak.

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    We'll still get swept in the first round by either Miami or Chicago. This is more than the coach.

    I hope Melo gets traded before the deadline, you let one head roll - others have to follow.

    D'Antoni, Melo, Amar'e are all 3 responsible for our horrendous record since the Melo trade. All 3 should atone for it, not just coach.

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    Originally Posted by Red

    I know Mike... I saw it for years, yet I am not bald (on my head )

    ...we must reevaluate our talent.

    First off there's this:




    We know the offense will be more traditional- ran through Stat & Melo in the post, and on the wing.

    Similar to George Carl's (and many others) fundamental approach of producing high percentage shots at volume, we can expect a few anomalies to become present:

    1. We will draw fouls at an enormous pace
    2. We will play at a slower pace than years past
    3. We will play more half-court ball that is heavily relied upon in the playoffs
    4. We are in YET ANOTHER readjustment/acclimation stage

    Then there's the question of Point Guard; that being: WHICH PG FITS OUR SYSTEM BEST?

    This is an all important question, debated for years under our previous coach, using his system as a reference point.

    Any combination of Lin, BD, JR, Bambi Fields, and Shump can be implored and our new philosophy should dictate this primarily.

    Lets admit the truth; Lin is "still learning" and CANNOT be relied upon in the playoffs at this point. This DOES NOT mean he can't or won't flourish, as his clutchness has been on display for the world to see. That type of intangible is invaluable. Conversely, Bambi Fields has the reputation in his young career as being passive and weak when the bright lights are on. I see this as a sign.

    To be fair, JR as well as Fields have just as much an opportunity to shine within this new system as anyone. With STAT & Melo being Batman & Robin I believe...

    BD should start at PG. I've seen his athletic ability semi-return, his shot improve, and his reacclimation process go smoothly. Unfortunately that was in a different system.

    BD however CAN be relied upon come playoff time. He has the resume, the veteran respect, the decision making ablilty, and the passing skills to compliment STAT & Melo. He also has a fair shot at the PG spot sans the Linsanity hype. F*ck pleasing the Asian fan... no offense. W's mean more.

    My main concern is can BD knock down the kick-out with consistency? I have no doubt he will do as a PG should; know when to drive, know how to get hot players the ball, know how to control the tempo.

    My secondary concern is can BD stop the penetration? I have confiednce he can. His footwork looks good.

    That leaves us with the two.

    Offense, although sporadic comes with both JR and Shump; JR being the most likely to succeed offensively. Shump remaining a question mark for the bright lights.

    The nod goes to Shump in my opinion for a few reasons. He's our best perimeter defender. Although the leadership has changed, the fact that we need to surround STAT & Melo with quality defenders remains. It makes sense to balance the starting unit with defense and versatility. Shump has the job of deprogramming his shoot first mentality to becoming more of facilitator and hustle guy. I'm ordering Bambi Fields to relinquish his notes immediately!

    JR provides a better scoring option to compliment the 2nd unit and give Lin and Novak a potent trio (who can't play defense as well, but hey who cares, we need scoring off-the-bench. We don't plan on having to fight back so often ). Jorts can help with that too, although he too needs to be reprogrammed at the finer (expected) arts of a big man.

    Starters: BD, SHUMP, MELO, STAT, TC (gives us veteran savvy, needed in the playoffs- if we make it . While reducing the likelihood of errors by Lin and Fields, who are young and need better defense to take the pressure of our bigs)

    Bench: LIN, JR, FIELDS, JJ, Jorts (gives us a 2nd unit with scoring, speed, defensive versatility, and a bunch of dudes with something to prove in various capacities.

    Your thoughts?


    *Jerome Jordan is the honorable mention after Jorts. Novak is a lock as our 2nd unit scorer. White Men Can Jump-shoot.

    **Bibby can get the garbage minutes after we're up 20.
    good points you have there.

    We have half court players that can run fast break so its not like we are the Boston Celtics or the Miami Heat. Melo thrives more in the half court sets and down low in the post and Amare is beast when he doesn't have the ball so far away from the hoop.

    I too belive Davis might eventually start over Lin if Lin keeps doing the stupid turnovers like falling down after driving to the hoop which he does every single game. Lin has to keep his dribble and not stop his dribble and he has to not pass it off so quickly. It is like since the MIami game he is afraid to ball handle too much.

    The fast paced offense was a pipe dream and I am glad it is gone, it is not realistic unless u have a dynamic PG that is your leader leading it (steve nash) and that didnt even win a championship

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    I love the way people are predicting the doom of the Knicks all because of Woodson being an ISO coach.

    Relax, breathe, wait for it and then comment. There's no need to get ahead of yourselves. Woodson stated several times in his interviews since taking over that he has a great respect and is thankful to MDA. Perhaps he will utilize some things that worked from MDA's offense into his own gameplan.

    God you'd think these were forums for the apocalypse not a basketball team

    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Mike Woodson First!

    Baron Davis still have the same flaws he had as a young star on the Hornets....
    his passes to bigmen are to damn low, plus he has always been a halfcourt
    offensive PG with fair defense.
    Can we use Baron Davis PG talents? Hell yeah! we need at least 20 minutes per game
    from Davis veteran experience to backup PG-Lin, especially Davis is great in three guard-offense
    with a defensive-Shump or a defensive-TD in the lineup.
    Should Baron Davis start? No! should Baron Davis start in the 3rd quarter to start the 2nd half?
    Hell yeah! on alot of our oponents with strong defensive pressure-system.

    Jeremy Lin is an energy-creative PG with great IQ who is learning the ropes of NBA B.Ball
    in this regular season playingtime....Lin is the Knicks starter & finisher this regular season....
    Lin is not supose to be receiving 35 to 40 minutes of playintime per game within 10 different
    lineups when he is learning the ropes of NBA B.ball....
    If Lin is a prospect of learning, shouldnt 80% of his playingtime be in a lineup to GELL
    with the most minute players on the team?

    Tyson Chandler has been a great defensive PF & C in his career in the NBA averaging
    28 minutes of playingtime throughout his career....always having a full 10 minutes of
    great energy in the 4th quarter.

    The superstar tandem of Fowards Stat & Melo are not getting any younger,
    plus having both on a team with a 7.0 Tyson Chandler, shouldnt their career minutes
    of playingtime be reduce to 30 minutes of playingtime? especially when u have decent
    backups to use for 18 minutes of their playintime in Jefferies, Novak, Jorts, and Jordan?
    plus we have enough decent guards to run a 3-guard offense transition for 6 to 8 minutes
    per game?

    If our bench-players cant hold down the game for 18 to 20 minutes per game for
    our STARTERS -vs- half the teams in the league....then maybe we need new bench-players....
    but that was not the Knicks problem in a back to back to back 66 game season,
    the 8-man rotation of the same players were.
    Your Thoughts???
    Great post, our bench is awesome so I have no worries about them being able to keep us in games or even extend leads. Baron Shump Fields JR Jeffries Jorts all have good energy/hustle/defensive ability that is what you need from your bench.

    I would still like to see Shumpert moved to the starting lineup. In a 7 game series we are going to need him for 30+ mpg guarding Rose/Wade/Rondo etc.

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