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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    I thought Woody wouldve iron out a lot of the Knicks issues within his first 3 to 7 games as headcoach, his hiring in August was for the position he have now. WTF have Woody been doing since December?
    Woody coaching talent is not skilled enough to add another player to the roster.

    For Woody not to do overtime at working on a backup for Tyson Chandler (7.0 Jordan), a backup for Stat (6.10 Jorts), a backup for Melo (6.10 Novak), with Jefferies as the backups training-master on and off the court, starting the same day Dantoni was FIRED or resigned make me question Mike Woodson ability to make it to the Eastern Conference Finals....this season or next season
    Who was available that first week? Dude was just trying to get the team to win some games to start with. The same guys that are available today are the same ones that were available two weeks ago when he took over. We have NO trade assets to get the kind of guys he wants as backups and the trade deadline was pretty much over when he took over.

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    Originally Posted by finestrg
    What the hell are we supposed to do man? Proceed the rest of the way with ZERO interior scoring every game, thinking that Jorts and Jerome Jordan can somehow replace Amar'e Stoudemire?!?!? Or better yet, move Melo, who's been playing poorly most of the season for a variety of reasons, out of his natural SF position and into STAT's PF spot and expect him to suddenly regain top form or close to it? Nah...Not what I'd do... Easy call for me: they need to make better use of Billy Walker's wasted roster spot and bring in another big, preferably one who can score it a little bit, to help the cause...If I'm Woody I want that option.. In fact, I'd be reaching out to mgmt at this point telling them that I NEED that option.

    As far as coming up with lists of DL players/Euros/relative unknowns etc. goes, it's because I KNOW we can add them with little or no problem. I never talk pie-in-the-sky with anything around here. I always trying to remain grounded and realistic...Face facts -- we're over the cap at this point and are severely limited on what we can do to improve the team. We ain't gonna find no Karl Malone in his prime out there to replace Amar'e. Those guys aren't available and even if they were, the trade deadline has come and gone...Our only hope is to target the best bargin-bin big man, hope he accepts a league minimum salary for the rest of the way, bring him in for the rest of the season and hope for the best...If you see a better way of improving the team at this juncture, tell me what it is.
    Good post dude but I'd still rather cut Bibby than Walker. Bibby is totally useless other than as a cheerleader.

    Between Lin, Baron, Shump and JR we can manage ball-handling duties even if Baron or Lin are out for a game or two.

    I think honestly if Melo's injury is not bad he will step up. He's going to get so many more touches. His shot was starting to fall yesterday. He's gonna take a ton of confidence into his next game.

    Marcus Cousin is definitely an intriguing prospect I'd agree the best thing about him is he does force spacing from the defense which works GREAT for the 1/5 pnr. Jorts could possibly do this too, if he could find the kind of form he had on his jumpshot in December.

    Other than him I don't see much promise but there's no reason a decent FA might pop up...

    Kiya does have a point, it's not like there's been no useful FA's popping up since Woody took over. Diaw, Turiaf and JJ Hickson immediately come to mind. I loved JJ Hickson's hustly energy and defense as a Cavalier. It's not just Woodson though, our entire front office should have been making moves for these guys. We undoubtedly have dead weight on our roster which could have been trimmed.

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    Good post dude but I'd still rather cut Bibby than Walker. Bibby is totally useless other than as a cheerleader.

    Between Lin, Baron, Shump and JR we can manage ball-handling duties even if Baron or Lin are out for a game or two.

    I think honestly if Melo's injury is not bad he will step up. He's going to get so many more touches. His shot was starting to fall yesterday. He's gonna take a ton of confidence into his next game.

    Marcus Cousin is definitely an intriguing prospect I'd agree the best thing about him is he does force spacing from the defense which works GREAT for the 1/5 pnr. Jorts could possibly do this too, if he could find the kind of form he had on his jumpshot in December.

    Other than him I don't see much promise but there's no reason a decent FA might pop up...

    Kiya does have a point, it's not like there's been no useful FA's popping up since Woody took over. Diaw, Turiaf and JJ Hickson immediately come to mind. I loved JJ Hickson's hustly energy and defense as a Cavalier. It's not just Woodson though, our entire front office should have been making moves for these guys. We undoubtedly have dead weight on our roster which could have been trimmed.
    I agree that we should cut Bibby, he's been worthless out there. How is he even seeing the court? The dude stands around on both sides of the court and when he does try to play D, he falls over and then can't get back up. I swear I could go to my local basketball court and close my eyes and point at a random player on the court and he'd be better than Bibby. Dude is horrid. I agree we need some interior offense/defense or else Chandler will be hurt next from being the only guy down low playing D.

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    we need chandler to shoot the ball and jerome jordan some minutes to develop

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    Originally Posted by Number3
    we need chandler to shoot the ball and jerome jordan some minutes to develop
    Well Chandler does not have a jumpshot.

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    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    I agree that we should cut Bibby, he's been worthless out there. How is he even seeing the court? The dude stands around on both sides of the court and when he does try to play D, he falls over and then can't get back up. I swear I could go to my local basketball court and close my eyes and point at a random player on the court and he'd be better than Bibby. Dude is horrid. I agree we need some interior offense/defense or else Chandler will be hurt next from being the only guy down low playing D.
    I don't see cutting Bibby over Walker fellas. How do you figure that? Lin's out right now with a bum knee; Davis just came back not too long ago from a bad back and looks to be a shell of what he used to be and Iman's a rookie and not a true PG. We need Bibby for insurance. Bibby's actually gotten some meaningful minutes lately under Woodson (last night in fact against the Bucks)...Let's not forget Bibby played for Woody before in ATL on a 50+ win playoff team not too long ago, so you know he likes and respects him -- there's gotta be a bond there between the two, certainly a greater bond than the one Bibby had with D'Antoni. I highly doubt Bibby's going anywhere.

    Walker, meanwhile, hasn't played in like forever and when he did play, he wasn't great at all. All things being equal, normally I'd say keep Walker because he's quite a few years younger than Bibby but things aren't equal. Bibby, to me, is the much more important reserve to keep in terms of insurance...

    Is Walker even slated to return soon? I haven't heard anything about him in the longest...I forget he was even on the roster there for a sec..Plus, unlike Bibby, Walker's a holdover D'Antoni player that has no ties to coach Woodson.. Personally, unless I hear something different soon, I'm gonna assume Walker's done for the year (even if he did make it back, where does he get his mins? Whose mins is he cutting into -- not Melo's.. Landry's? Iman's? JR Smith's? Novak's? Come on, of course not) and most likely won't be asked back for next yr. Bibby won't either but as of right now, Bibby's the better piece to keep in terms of insurance at a much more important & fragile position. You can even make a strong case that if it came down to it, I'd rather go with Toney Douglas over Walker in a pinch. At least Toney can handle the ball a little bit and play some defense. Walker's a complete waste on this roster right now. I'd give anything for the Knicks to cut him and take a chance on a big with some offensive potential such as Darnell Lazare for example. That makes so much more sense to me than keeping Walker around.

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    @finestrg: with all due respect, personally I have much more faith in Toney than in Bibby's corpse. I realize it's too early to say if TD's game improved, but in 4 minutes of garbage time against Detroit he looked okay playing some great defense and not forcing anything. I think Woody should give Douglas a shot to see if he can help us at this point.

    Walker's currently listed as day-to-day, he had some great games earlier this season (Billy was the main reason we hanged on in Miami first time we played them), but before deciding whether he should be waived or rather stay I'd like to see him playing.

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    @finestrg: with all due respect, personally I have much more faith in Toney than in Bibby's corpse. I realize it's too early to say if TD's game improved, but in 4 minutes of garbage time against Detroit he looked okay playing some great defense and not forcing anything. I think Woody should give Douglas a shot to see if he can help us at this point.

    Walker's currently listed as day-to-day, he had some great games earlier this season (Billy was the main reason we hanged on in Miami first time we played them), but before deciding whether he should be waived or rather stay I'd like to see him playing.
    Exactly, Douglas can defend and we know he has the potential to go off for 20 points... Not so far this season but you gotta think at some point his shooting touch will return.

    If Bibby managed to put up 20 points I would seriously eat my own ****

    Between Lin/Baron/Shump/JR Smith there is plenty of ballhandling ability. Only Lin and Baron can be relied upon to distribute, but we saw during Linsanity that we had enough to beat teams with only 1 distributor on the team (Bibby barely played at all during this stretch and had virtually no impact when he did). We are also deeper now than Linsanity (no JR Smith no Baron).

    Douglas and Walker are both able to defend and shoot the 3, Bibby has almost no value now.

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    Walker is a straight up hustler... when he's hot he doesnt miss... he was insane vs miami..

    on the other hand, there's really nothing good to say about bibby.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    It's been 8 games with hardly any practice time. These things take time Kiya. Also consider that we are in the middle of a tight playoff race. There's just not enough time for all that right now. I think he's doing the best he can, considering.

    I really wish I could agree with u, but Jordan & Jorts been on the team December 9th....as an assistant defensive coach Woody shouldve been working on several different plays with rookie Jordan/Jorts to develope their bigman games from the start of the season so the two bigmen could be reliable for 12 decent minutes of playingtime during the 2nd half of the season when injuries flare up.

    The bench is the most important part of how u evaluate a headcoach....
    Headcoach Skiles bench was awful, Monta Ellis looked like he would rather go
    back to first year coach Mark Jackson.

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    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    Who was available that first week? Dude was just trying to get the team to win some games to start with. The same guys that are available today are the same ones that were available two weeks ago when he took over. We have NO trade assets to get the kind of guys he wants as backups and the trade deadline was pretty much over when he took over.

    u lost me....my post was on our assistant coaches Woody, Herb, and Atkins not preparing our young bigmen rookies Jordan & Jorts for decent playingtime in the 2nd half of the season when injuries flare up....Jordan & Jorts were in our short training camp on December 9th.

    What part of my post mention adding new players to the rostor....was it this part.....

    Woody coaching talent is not skilled enough to add another player to the roster.

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    I really wish I had the quality buds that Kiya gets

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    Originally Posted by Number3
    we need chandler to shoot the ball and jerome jordan some minutes to develop
    i dont know if im comfortable with chandler shooting jumpers right now, i rather him stick to tips and dunks and swatting the ball out for second chance points. in the off season i would love for him to develop a post game though.

    I agree Jerome needs to get more burn, i mean what is Jorts doing exactly he's soft as cheesecake going up for a layup, has no post move, foul prone and that jumper aint been the same since his injury. Jorts is a nice a nice hustler though i give him that

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    I thought Woody wouldve iron out a lot of the Knicks issues within his first 3 to 7 games as headcoach, his hiring in August was for the position he have now. WTF have Woody been doing since December?
    Woody coaching talent is not skilled enough to add another player to the roster.

    For Woody not to do overtime at working on a backup for Tyson Chandler (7.0 Jordan), a backup for Stat (6.10 Jorts), a backup for Melo (6.10 Novak), with Jefferies as the backups training-master on and off the court, starting the same day Dantoni was FIRED or resigned make me question Mike Woodson ability to make it to the Eastern Conference Finals....this season or next season
    your blaming Mike Woodson for developing a center out of thin air?

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    your blaming Mike Woodson for developing a center out of thin air?

    Hell YEAH, if thats what u want to call it. Jordan & Jorts are big-bodies in the paint....
    Im blaming a 4 months assistant coach (Woodson) for not preparing Jordan & Jorts to be a decent 12 minute backup for Tyson & Stat within a 4 months time. They are still positionally lost on court with their teammates in the 2nd half of the season.

    Everytime I see Jorts or Jordan get up off the bench to enter the game they dont look energize or happy to go out there to show their talent....they look nervous, scared, and perform like they are lost the first two minutes on the court. Look at the difference when Shump or Novak is called to go into the game...

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