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    I have 3 things I'd like to point out about last night's game.

    Woodson vs. D'antoni - Where was the perimeter defense (yea shump is gone) that was supposed to be instilled by Woodson as the new coach? They played the same way they used to play when D'antoni was coach. It makes me question if D'antoni was the problem or not.

    Amare - I thought it was ridiculous that they did not try to go to Amare more offensively. Clearly the ISO the Knicks were playing wasn't working at all. The Heat didn't even need to double team. They dared Carmelo to shoot and he did it well but Melo himself can't win the game. They should've changed the game plan up. We all know that the Heat's weakness is their 4-5 position. Why didn't they dump the ball into amare, let him work there. once he get's going and dominate the inside. they will have to start double teaming him, which will open things up for the rest of his teammates including Melo. Amare's defense stats was never there so that's a given but he's offensive skills is there and they need to take advantage of that. Why must Melo be the focal point? Why not switch things up like Miami did? Lebron did his thing in Game 1 and in Game 2 you could tell he was deferring to his teammates more a.k.a Wade. That helped keep them unpredictable.

    Is Melo built for the playoffs? It looks like he needs to dominate the ball to get going. It's probably ok for the regular season but I don't think it works in the playoffs. He's a great scorer and finisher but in the playoffs you have to play the same team multiple times and teams can shut him down. Great one on one player but his team game is suspect.

    Let's be honest here. Game two was a terrible game too. No penetration. Just hold the ball until the shot clock is about to expire either find carmelo or shoot it yourself.

    I don't think the Heat are playing that great, I think that the Knicks are just playing bad basketball.

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    The Heat are a great team period but we allow them to be even better

    2 things we're missing

    Off the ball movement- Landry Fields is the only who moves without the ball, Melo doesn't unless there's a lane, Novak doesn't, STAT doesn't, Chandler doesn't, JR doesn't. We allow to play that great help D when we stand and watch, if you notice the Heat you see they spread out and move around opening up lanes everything we do is close and tight so there's no room for guys to operate

    Help Defense- We dont play any help D except Chandler, we defend our man half ass only, then we help late which helps them get open shots, we never see the ball and our man, its on or the other, we dont keep the Heat in front of us which is why they get back door plays, we dont understand their personnel like they know ours, we defend everyone the same

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    The Heat are a great team period but we allow them to be even better

    2 things we're missing

    Off the ball movement- Landry Fields is the only who moves without the ball, Melo doesn't unless there's a lane, Novak doesn't, STAT doesn't, Chandler doesn't, JR doesn't. We allow to play that great help D when we stand and watch, if you notice the Heat you see they spread out and move around opening up lanes everything we do is close and tight so there's no room for guys to operate

    Help Defense- We dont play any help D except Chandler, we defend our man half ass only, then we help late which helps them get open shots, we never see the ball and our man, its on or the other, we dont keep the Heat in front of us which is why they get back door plays, we dont understand their personnel like they know ours, we defend everyone the same
    there is more thing that we HAVE to do. HARD FOULS. I HATE THESE HALF ASS FOULS THE KNICKS GIVE AND LET THESE FOOLS GET A **** LOAD OF AND 1's. IF YOU FOUL ****ING FOUL HIM HARD. IF YOU ARE LETTING THEM HIT AND 1's YOU ARE NOT FOULING HARD ENOUGH.

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    Originally Posted by blahwoop
    there is more thing that we HAVE to do. HARD FOULS. I HATE THESE HALF ASS FOULS THE KNICKS GIVE AND LET THESE FOOLS GET A **** LOAD OF AND 1's. IF YOU FOUL ****ING FOUL HIM HARD. IF YOU ARE LETTING THEM HIT AND 1's YOU ARE NOT FOULING HARD ENOUGH.
    I'm talking about basketball type adjustments as far as hard fouls we cant really just do that, we dont have the depth to just foul them when they go up, everyone will be in foul trouble

    If we play better D, they wont get easy lay ups, if we get better shots on offense they wont get fast breaks to get easy buckets

    its simple

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    The Heat are a great team period but we allow them to be even better

    2 things we're missing

    Off the ball movement- Landry Fields is the only who moves without the ball, Melo doesn't unless there's a lane, Novak doesn't, STAT doesn't, Chandler doesn't, JR doesn't. We allow to play that great help D when we stand and watch, if you notice the Heat you see they spread out and move around opening up lanes everything we do is close and tight so there's no room for guys to operate

    Help Defense- We dont play any help D except Chandler, we defend our man half ass only, then we help late which helps them get open shots, we never see the ball and our man, its on or the other, we dont keep the Heat in front of us which is why they get back door plays, we dont understand their personnel like they know ours, we defend everyone the same

    That is exactly why I think Melo's game has a part in this. Off ball movement. Do the other players expect to get the ball if they run around? or are all the plays designed to get Melo the ball and let him do his magic? Not saying if there is a right or wrong here.

    I play a little bit of ball sometimes. Always in the beginning of the game I will run around to try to get open. one of two things happen, either my teammates pass me the ball when I try to get open and I'll keep on running or when a ball hogger don't pass me the ball when I'm running around. I stop. I'll stand around and just watch them do their thing, get rebounds, if i get lucky the guy is forced to pass the ball and i'm the closest guy they can pass the ball to then I get the ball.

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    Originally Posted by blahwoop
    That is exactly why I think Melo's game has a part in this. Off ball movement. Do the other players expect to get the ball if they run around? or are all the plays designed to get Melo the ball and let him do his magic? Not saying if there is a right or wrong here.

    I play a little bit of ball sometimes. Always in the beginning of the game I will run around to try to get open. one of two things happen, either my teammates pass me the ball when I try to get open and I'll keep on running or when a ball hogger don't pass me the ball when I'm running around. I stop. I'll stand around and just watch them do their thing, get rebounds, if i get lucky the guy is forced to pass the ball and i'm the closest guy they can pass the ball to then I get the ball.
    yes they do, when Melo faces up if you cut, flash or fade he'll pass it, thats why he waits, he examines the floor but every stands still so he goes usually into 4 people because they know their man is watching

    Fields does it all the time, he'll cut behind the D and get a dunk, if STAT ever flashed to the high post he'd get the ball and be able to attack and off balance D, if JR or Novak faded behind their man Melo would hit them for a 3 pointer but we dont operate like that

    Its not Melo's fault, its Woodson not noticing where things are going wrong and making the proper adjustments

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    Woodson really needs to lose some weight.

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    Originally Posted by quiggle
    Woodson really needs to lose some weight.


    This my man was absolutely brilliant.

    Cmpletely off-topic and senseless, but it made me laugh like ****

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    yes they do, when Melo faces up if you cut, flash or fade he'll pass it, thats why he waits, he examines the floor but every stands still so he goes usually into 4 people because they know their man is watching

    Fields does it all the time, he'll cut behind the D and get a dunk, if STAT ever flashed to the high post he'd get the ball and be able to attack and off balance D, if JR or Novak faded behind their man Melo would hit them for a 3 pointer but we dont operate like that

    Its not Melo's fault, its Woodson not noticing where things are going wrong and making the proper adjustments
    You are absolutely right, but aside from off ball movement we have poor spacing. When your point guard is running the show you are obviously able to spread the floor on offense a lot better. For the Knicks, Melo runs most of the show from a mid post or face up position within the heart of the defense. It's much harder to get open shots without any off ball screens and off ball movement and penetration which forces melo to go up against 3 defenders. you really cant point fingers at Melo. We need an orchestrator to help Melo spread the floor. Woodson cant really run Melo out on the perimeter because that's not Melo's Game, and Baron Davis was never a Pass first point guard, but more of a scorer.

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    Originally Posted by zshopa
    You are absolutely right, but aside from off ball movement we have poor spacing. When your point guard is running the show you are obviously able to spread the floor on offense a lot better. For the Knicks, Melo runs most of the show from a mid post or face up position within the heart of the defense. It's much harder to get open shots without any off ball screens and off ball movement and penetration which forces melo to go up against 3 defenders. you really cant point fingers at Melo. We need an orchestrator to help Melo spread the floor. Woodson cant really run Melo out on the perimeter because that's not Melo's Game, and Baron Davis was never a Pass first point guard, but more of a scorer.
    we need a Chauncey Billups type, one who can set up the O but operate off of Melo effectively

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    The Heat are a great team period but we allow them to be even better

    2 things we're missing

    Off the ball movement- Landry Fields is the only who moves without the ball, Melo doesn't unless there's a lane, Novak doesn't, STAT doesn't, Chandler doesn't, JR doesn't. We allow to play that great help D when we stand and watch, if you notice the Heat you see they spread out and move around opening up lanes everything we do is close and tight so there's no room for guys to operate

    Help Defense- We dont play any help D except Chandler, we defend our man half ass only, then we help late which helps them get open shots, we never see the ball and our man, its on or the other, we dont keep the Heat in front of us which is why they get back door plays, we dont understand their personnel like they know ours, we defend everyone the same

    The Miami Heat are the 1st top contender for the FINALS with 3 star leadership players guiding their path.

    Headcoach Mike Woodson playoff coaching has been humiliated by the 2 games vs the Miami Heat. Woodson playoff coaching strategy stands at a "F" average....33 point loss, 10 point loss.
    All of Woodson's lineups have no scheme or set plan to out wit the Heat on offense or defense, inside or outside.
    Woodson is trying to beat the Miami Heat with 3 & 4 scorers in all his lineups and has FAILED....its time for Woodson to use 3-defensive players in all his lineups, starting with a defensive lineup of Tyson/Jefferies/Fields, using Jorts & TD as their defensive backups. We have to force Bron/Wade/Miller to do all the scoring while shutting-down all the other Heat players.

    Our peremeter-defense annnd our inside-defense stink without having any leadership.
    Our offense stinks worst than our defense, we have let the Miami Heat outscore us in all 8 quarters of the series....we lack team leadership from all our high scoring players on the offensive end of the court....there's no plan, play, or creativity on a broken play, only ISO.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    The Miami Heat are the 1st top contender for the FINALS with 3 star leadership players guiding their path.

    Headcoach Mike Woodson playoff coaching has been humiliated by the 2 games vs the Miami Heat. Woodson playoff coaching strategy stands at a "F" average....33 point loss, 10 point loss.
    All of Woodson's lineups have no scheme or set plan to out wit the Heat on offense or defense, inside or outside.
    Woodson is trying to beat the Miami Heat with 3 & 4 scorers in all his lineups and has FAILED....its time for Woodson to use 3-defensive players in all his lineups, starting with a defensive lineup of Tyson/Jefferies/Fields, using Jorts & TD as their defensive backups. We have to force Bron/Wade/Miller to do all the scoring while shutting-down all the other Heat players.

    Our peremeter-defense annnd our inside-defense stink without having any leadership.
    Our offense stinks worst than our defense, we have let the Miami Heat outscore us in all 8 quarters of the series....we lack team leadership from all our high scoring players on the offensive end of the court....there's no plan, play, or creativity on a broken play, only ISO.
    It's obvious from game 1, iso doesnt work against Heat. Yet Woodson stayed with it through high and low. It really made me wonder who is really coaching the team? Woodson or Melo?

    If Woodson is really the coach, then he is riding Melo like "Secretariat." in this playoffs, and eventually will ride into the sunset and sweep himself out of NYC.

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    Originally Posted by Cuckoo
    It's obvious from game 1, iso doesnt work against Heat. Yet Woodson stayed with it through high and low. It really made me wonder who is really coaching the team? Woodson or Melo?

    If Woodson is really the coach, then he is riding Melo like "Secretariat." in this playoffs, and eventually will ride into the sunset and sweep himself out of NYC.
    Woodson is an interim headcoach....he's not going up against the double ego's of Melo vs Stat in the playoffs.

    Grunwald & Woodson contracts shouldve been extended at the same time.

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    Melo needs to operate more like a point forward when Amar'e is in the game,
    otherwise you can't challenge the Heat's perimeter defense

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    Originally Posted by KnickolasMGL
    Melo needs to operate more like a point forward when Amar'e is in the game,
    otherwise you can't challenge the Heat's perimeter defense

    woodson should've utilized amare better, offensively, in game 2. that's probably why he was raging after the game. i agree with him. Heat are "weak" in the inside. should've fed him the ball and see if he can dominate. probably would've opened up things for melo and others. we have no penetrating guards either except for that 1 or 2 times that baron went in and scored. he should've kept at it. i blame woodson for this ****.

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