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    Originally Posted by blahwoop
    I have 3 things I'd like to point out about last night's game.

    Woodson vs. D'antoni - Where was the perimeter defense (yea shump is gone) that was supposed to be instilled by Woodson as the new coach? They played the same way they used to play when D'antoni was coach. It makes me question if D'antoni was the problem or not.
    The perimeter defense was good when Lin was on the floor as well..... Had both been healthy, during the 48 minutes, I think at least one of the players should have been on the floor.

    Amare - I thought it was ridiculous that they did not try to go to Amare more offensively. Clearly the ISO the Knicks were playing wasn't working at all.
    The Heat defend it too well, and Melo is too much of a one-trick pony in that regard. If the opposing "D" isn't so great, he's fine. But the Heat, he must move away from the ball.

    Amare looked like his back problems came back....... The only time Amare looked like Amare of old was the first game back from the bulging disc injury.

    The problem with the two on the floor together is they're both fours........ (Two fours on the floor only work if they're both good rebounders.) Melo doesn't dish off enough to be a three (he passes well, but he doesn't pass often enough). Amare has his zone for the 12 foot jumper...... And good at finishing the pick-and-roll....... Amare's problem is he needs a good PG to be effective. That only happened when Lin was out there. Unlike Melo, Amare is more of a finisher than a playmaker, but nobody on the Knicks (aside from Lin) can set the table for him.

    The Heat didn't even need to double team. They dared Carmelo to shoot and he did it well but Melo himself can't win the game.
    The other four players on the floor were spectators. In Melo's defense, the other players were HORRIBLE moving away from the ball. That takes the option away in passing from the post. No back screens, no screens for Melo, no players cutting to the rim. In the NBA, it's a recipe for stagnation.

    The Heat, on the other side, the players away from the ball move very well, and off of back screens. This is how players get open looks and open lanes.

    They should've changed the game plan up. We all know that the Heat's weakness is their 4-5 position. Why didn't they dump the ball into amare, let him work there.
    Due to Amare's lack of quickness (because he's not 100 percent), LeBron would freelance and swat everything Amare would try. LeBron may be the best "off-the-ball" defender in the game right now.

    once he get's going and dominate the inside. they will have to start double teaming him, which will open things up for the rest of his teammates including Melo. Amare's defense stats was never there so that's a given but he's offensive skills is there and they need to take advantage of that.
    Amare is too passive away from the ball...... He's not really a post-up player. He needs to receive the ball in space, but his lack of movement away from the ball stifles this option.

    Why must Melo be the focal point? Why not switch things up like Miami did? Lebron did his thing in Game 1 and in Game 2 you could tell he was deferring to his teammates more a.k.a Wade. That helped keep them unpredictable.
    JR Smith had his share of shots...... But not reliable enough.........

    With the injuries, Melo has seemingly become the only option.........

    Is Melo built for the playoffs? It looks like he needs to dominate the ball to get going. It's probably ok for the regular season but I don't think it works in the playoffs.
    You are correct that the variety of play would make Melo's ISO more effective....... The role players need to move better away from the ball, and set more screens for them to get open...... Melo is capable of passing to the open man, if they were to get open.

    He's a great scorer and finisher but in the playoffs you have to play the same team multiple times and teams can shut him down. Great one on one player but his team game is suspect.
    Mainly because the other players don't move away from the ball........ As if they *expect* Melo to be the individual star.

    Let's be honest here. Game two was a terrible game too. No penetration.
    Jeremy Lin........ Nobody else on the Knicks is capable................

    Just hold the ball until the shot clock is about to expire either find carmelo or shoot it yourself.
    That's what happens when players don't move away from the ball, no screens are set, and everybody seems to be well-covered by a defender.

    I don't think the Heat are playing that great, I think that the Knicks are just playing bad basketball.
    The Knicks played bad basketball in Cleveland....... And now they're paying for it. Had they played good basketball in Cleveland, their first round opponent would have been Indy instead of Miami.

    After the season's over, what did the Knicks in was not the Heat, but sleepwalking in Cleveland which resulted in them playing the Heat.

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    Originally Posted by blahwoop
    I have 3 things I'd like to point out about last night's game.

    Woodson vs. D'antoni - Where was the perimeter defense (yea shump is gone) that was supposed to be instilled by Woodson as the new coach? They played the same way they used to play when D'antoni was coach. It makes me question if D'antoni was the problem or not.

    Amare - I thought it was ridiculous that they did not try to go to Amare more offensively. Clearly the ISO the Knicks were playing wasn't working at all. The Heat didn't even need to double team. They dared Carmelo to shoot and he did it well but Melo himself can't win the game. They should've changed the game plan up. We all know that the Heat's weakness is their 4-5 position. Why didn't they dump the ball into amare, let him work there. once he get's going and dominate the inside. they will have to start double teaming him, which will open things up for the rest of his teammates including Melo. Amare's defense stats was never there so that's a given but he's offensive skills is there and they need to take advantage of that. Why must Melo be the focal point? Why not switch things up like Miami did? Lebron did his thing in Game 1 and in Game 2 you could tell he was deferring to his teammates more a.k.a Wade. That helped keep them unpredictable.

    Is Melo built for the playoffs? It looks like he needs to dominate the ball to get going. It's probably ok for the regular season but I don't think it works in the playoffs. He's a great scorer and finisher but in the playoffs you have to play the same team multiple times and teams can shut him down. Great one on one player but his team game is suspect.

    Let's be honest here. Game two was a terrible game too. No penetration. Just hold the ball until the shot clock is about to expire either find carmelo or shoot it yourself.

    I don't think the Heat are playing that great, I think that the Knicks are just playing bad basketball.
    Last nite game reminded me of Melo's career playoff game as a Denver Nuggets
    being in lineups with....Camby, Nene, and Miller, then Camby, K.Mart, JR, and AI....
    players Camby, K-Mart, and AI been to the FINALS before playing with Melo.

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    Part of the problem is that Woodson has not had the chance to come up with any type of competent two-man play between STAT & Melo. STAT & Lin got injured when Woodson took over.

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    Originally Posted by MeloforMayor
    Part of the problem is that Woodson has not had the chance to come up with any type of competent two-man play between STAT & Melo. STAT & Lin got injured when Woodson took over.
    I think any two-man play between Melo and Amar'e is impossible because Melo just isn't a team guy.

    Melo wants his and that's all that matters. If team wins and he gets his, cool; if team loses and he gets his, that's cool too.

    Melo isn't about sacrificing himself for the good of the team. That's the problem.

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    The Heat are a great team period but we allow them to be even better

    2 things we're missing

    Off the ball movement- Landry Fields is the only who moves without the ball, Melo doesn't unless there's a lane, Novak doesn't, STAT doesn't, Chandler doesn't, JR doesn't. We allow to play that great help D when we stand and watch, if you notice the Heat you see they spread out and move around opening up lanes everything we do is close and tight so there's no room for guys to operate

    Help Defense- We dont play any help D except Chandler, we defend our man half ass only, then we help late which helps them get open shots, we never see the ball and our man, its on or the other, we dont keep the Heat in front of us which is why they get back door plays, we dont understand their personnel like they know ours, we defend everyone the same

    The Miami Heat are the 1st top contender for the FINALS with 3 star leadership players guiding their path.

    Headcoach Mike Woodson playoff coaching has been humiliated by the 2 games vs the Miami Heat. Woodson playoff coaching strategy stands at a "F" average....33 point loss, 10 point loss.
    All of Woodson's lineups have no scheme or set plan to out wit the Heat on offense or defense, inside or outside.
    Woodson is trying to beat the Miami Heat with 3 & 4 scorers in all his lineups and has FAILED....its time for Woodson to use 3-defensive players in all his lineups, starting with a defensive lineup of Tyson/Jefferies/Fields, using Jorts & TD as their defensive backups. We have to force Bron/Wade/Miller to do all the scoring while shutting-down all the other Heat players.

    Our peremeter-defense annnd our inside-defense stink without having any leadership.
    Our offense stinks worst than our defense, we have let the Miami Heat outscore us in all 8 quarters of the series....we lack team leadership from all our high scoring players on the offensive end of the court....there's no plan, play, or creativity on a broken play, only ISO.

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    Originally Posted by orangeblobman
    I think any two-man play between Melo and Amar'e is impossible because Melo just isn't a team guy.

    Melo wants his and that's all that matters. If team wins and he gets his, cool; if team loses and he gets his, that's cool too.

    Melo isn't about sacrificing himself for the good of the team. That's the problem.

    Im not a Melo Hater....but that is the truth about Melo.
    However, that could be changed by having two decent PG on the same-page and a strong headcoach.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    The Miami Heat are the 1st top contender for the FINALS with 3 star leadership players guiding their path.

    Headcoach Mike Woodson playoff coaching has been humiliated by the 2 games vs the Miami Heat. Woodson playoff coaching strategy stands at a "F" average....33 point loss, 10 point loss.
    All of Woodson's lineups have no scheme or set plan to out wit the Heat on offense or defense, inside or outside.
    Woodson is trying to beat the Miami Heat with 3 & 4 scorers in all his lineups and has FAILED....its time for Woodson to use 3-defensive players in all his lineups, starting with a defensive lineup of Tyson/Jefferies/Fields, using Jorts & TD as their defensive backups. We have to force Bron/Wade/Miller to do all the scoring while shutting-down all the other Heat players.

    Our peremeter-defense annnd our inside-defense stink without having any leadership.
    Our offense stinks worst than our defense, we have let the Miami Heat outscore us in all 8 quarters of the series....we lack team leadership from all our high scoring players on the offensive end of the court....there's no plan, play, or creativity on a broken play, only ISO.
    It's obvious from game 1, iso doesnt work against Heat. Yet Woodson stayed with it through high and low. It really made me wonder who is really coaching the team? Woodson or Melo?

    If Woodson is really the coach, then he is riding Melo like "Secretariat." in this playoffs, and eventually will ride into the sunset and sweep himself out of NYC.

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    Originally Posted by MeloforMayor
    Part of the problem is that Woodson has not had the chance to come up with any type of competent two-man play between STAT & Melo. STAT & Lin got injured when Woodson took over.

    The trio of Stat/Melo/and Lin-Sanity were not ready to be in the same lineup when Woodson took over....Melo wanted to take charge and Lin wanted to WIN.

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    Originally Posted by Cuckoo
    It's obvious from game 1, iso doesnt work against Heat. Yet Woodson stayed with it through high and low. It really made me wonder who is really coaching the team? Woodson or Melo?

    If Woodson is really the coach, then he is riding Melo like "Secretariat." in this playoffs, and eventually will ride into the sunset and sweep himself out of NYC.
    Woodson is an interim headcoach....he's not going up against the double ego's of Melo vs Stat in the playoffs.

    Grunwald & Woodson contracts shouldve been extended at the same time.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    The trio of Stat/Melo/and Lin-Sanity were not ready to be in the same lineup when Woodson took over....Melo wanted to take charge and Lin wanted to WIN.
    The Lin thing is over blown, Melo was playing bad and guys were calling him out, he was uncomfortable the way he was playing as thats not his game

    Melo got comfortable and the team found an identity, inside-out ball playing off of Melo then STAT came back, the Cleveland game and things went down hill from there

    Melo has to limit his iso's to when either STAT or Chandler are on the bench and JR or Novak are in the game

    Melo wants to win I dont know where you dont see that, regardless thats your opinion

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    Scottie Pippen's open letter to the 2011-12 Chicago Bulls


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    The Knicks need a letter like that.

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    Originally Posted by rogeryy
    Scottie Pippen's open letter to the 2011-12 Chicago Bulls


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    The Knicks need a letter like that.
    didn't he then turnaround and said LeBron is gonna be better than Jordan when he did the same thing last year?

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    Originally Posted by KnickolasMGL
    didn't he then turnaround and said LeBron is gonna be better than Jordan when he did the same thing last year?

    Well, apart from that.....

    Complimenting the Flop Master is so disgusting!!!

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    The Lin thing is over blown, Melo was playing bad and guys were calling him out, he was uncomfortable the way he was playing as thats not his game

    Melo got comfortable and the team found an identity, inside-out ball playing off of Melo then STAT came back, the Cleveland game and things went down hill from there

    Melo has to limit his iso's to when either STAT or Chandler are on the bench and JR or Novak are in the game

    Melo wants to win I dont know where you dont see that, regardless thats your opinion

    When Melo was sitting-out with a groin injury....Lin-Sanity save the Knicks by giving us a low post scoring game with Tyson, Jefferies, and the return of Stat, plus Lin gave us inside scoring from Shump, Fields, and even Walker....our 30 3-ball attempts per game decrease to how many 3-balls Novak could shoot in a game.


    This is why u guys were callin for Lin's head when Melo return, Lin limited Melo's fga under double-digets. Lin was more confident in passing the ball to Tyson, Stat, Novak, Jefferies, Shump, and Fields, than he was at passin the ball to Melo & JR who always wanted to dribble the ball before they shoot.
    Fans started questioning Melo co-existence with the team....Stat & Lin had to get injured so Melo could save-face by being the top scorer.

    Recall, when Stat came back (from family situation) Lin would never pass the ball to Stat on the peremeter, Lin would only pass to a slashing Stat or when Stat were 10 ft from the basket.

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    Originally Posted by quiggle
    Woodson really needs to lose some weight.


    This my man was absolutely brilliant.

    Cmpletely off-topic and senseless, but it made me laugh like ****

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