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    Originally Posted by Peter
    Watch previous video, how did melo do on defense side compared to now? During linsanity period, everybody played hard on defense side, that is why they won. Since woodson took over, knicks become so much better on defense side, is it purely because of him or certain player? I have doubt.
    PERFECT.....let him stay as the defensive coach.

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    If Phil wants the job I think he gets it at this point. Not because Woodson has been terrible, but because you know Phil can coach a team better than anyone else.

    That being said I do not want that greaseball John Calipari anywhere near this team. Furthermore I think he'd be a terrible NBA coach.

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    With all the good he's done lately, you actually think Carmelo Anthony is a fraud ??!

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    Originally Posted by Newbie
    With all the good he's done lately, you actually think Carmelo Anthony is a fraud ??!
    He is a good iso-minded player. He could be a great player, I wonder why he has not figured it out so many years.

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Seems to me he picks and chooses who he holds accountable....
    JR Smith can shoot a million times, Hold the ball with fancy dribbling, make senseless fouls and yet his minutes never go down.....doing a double pump dunk when your down by 10 and 2 games to zero is stupidity....

    Stat was put right back into the starting line-up regardless that the team was playing well......Accountable would have been Stat off the bench.

    Josh had a great 5 minutes in the first half....3 rebounds and 2 points......Yet he did not play after the first half....

    He had no interest in using Walker and thats why they released him for a bigman despite the fact that we had Josh and Jordan on the bench...dont know about but I would have loved to have walker ( due to needing a scorer)

    I like Woodson and what he has done but he has had good teams and fails every year in the playoffs......he looks a blind eye and crosses his fingers that his stars will pull them on top.....thats not Championship coaching...

    PHIL JACKSON or Van Gundy ( NOT STAN )
    I saw Melo and Chandler playing their asses off. The rest of the the team was defering. Fields disappointed me this year, I saw him out there trying but his shot was crappy....like the rest of the team (including Melo). I saw a bunch of missed shots and extra unnecessary passes....like the time Jorts gave up an easy lay up by dribbling it back out side, he got an earful from the coach on that play and if he had super hearing he would have heard me screaming at him too.

    There was no one else stepping up. We were just out gunned and out played offensively. The defense was decent but I knew all of our injuries would be our downfall. Have we been healthy the Heat would have a hugh problem on their hands.

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    YES.

    We must find a way to DUMP STOUDRETIRE.
    KEEP Woody.
    Make resigning Novak and JR (Lin, Fields) a PRIORITY.

    With remaining cap space when STAT gets dumped and players resigned, bring in a good PF. ($20+ MIL is enough for this)

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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    I saw Melo and Chandler playing their asses off. The rest of the the team was defering. Fields disappointed me this year, I saw him out there trying but his shot was crappy....like the rest of the team (including Melo). I saw a bunch of missed shots and extra unnecessary passes....like the time Jorts gave up an easy lay up by dribbling it back out side, he got an earful from the coach on that play and if he had super hearing he would have heard me screaming at him too.

    There was no one else stepping up. We were just out gunned and out played offensively. The defense was decent but I knew all of our injuries would be our downfall. Have we been healthy the Heat would have a hugh problem on their hands.
    Jorts got crucified and sent to the bench.....Not a smart move by Woodson....2 quick offensive rebounds.....

    The demise of last night was Woodsons use of Novak.......Novak took 1 Three pointer in the 1st quarter...and a running jump shot in the 3rd.....
    WHY OH WHY was he even on the court if we could not set him for shots...Love Novak but the more I think about Woodsons idea the more blown away I am ,

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Jorts got crucified and sent to the bench.....Not a smart move by Woodson....2 quick offensive rebounds.....

    The demise of last night was Woodsons use of Novak.......Novak took 1 Three pointer in the 1st quarter...and a running jump shot in the 3rd.....
    WHY OH WHY was he even on the court if we could not set him for shots...Love Novak but the more I think about Woodsons idea the more blown away I am ,

    who else was he going to start in that position? I think he gave Novak a shot but all he can do is hit the open 3...and when that is not falling...he's worthless. The fact of the matter is we were playing with a bunch of key guys out. There is no real blame to throw around. We are hurting as far as depth goes. People are just pissed for losing to the Heat. So am I, but I'm not going to make insane excuses.

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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    who else was he going to start in that position? I think he gave Novak a shot but all he can do is hit the open 3...and when that is not falling...he's worthless. The fact of the matter is we were playing with a bunch of key guys out. There is no real blame to throw around. We are hurting as far as depth goes. People are just pissed for losing to the Heat. So am I, but I'm not going to make insane excuses.
    Novak = Offense.
    This series Novak has not been left open to even get a shot.
    In Game 3 he was able to take 1 clean shot.
    This was as clear as day.

    So the best way to beat Miami is defense and a little luck. Maybe Jorts or Jeffires instead of Novak......

    Understand NOVAK was a 100% waste on the court.........Woodson hoped and hoped and hoped and hoped some more that there would be some kind of opening for Novak to start shooting....at what point do you surrender to the hope....

    Plus Jeffires ( know he was hurt ) and Jorts both had good minutes....

    I still dont understand cutting Walker for the bigman that does not play when we had jerome jordan ( who must be horrible in scrimmages since Dantonio and Woodson never played him ) and Jorts.


    Not saying we would have won or if it would have been different...Just dont understand Novak's 1 clean shot the entire game and that came early on

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    Woodson is as stubborn as Di'antoni. Out with the old and in with the new. Erik Spoelestra is young and smart.

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    Originally Posted by GoKnicks!
    Woodson is as stubborn as Di'antoni. Out with the old and in with the new. Erik Spoelestra is young and smart.
    He has Wade and LeBron they make any coach look good, what did he do with the Heat since he took over, ****, until LeBron came

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    Woodson: Melo has to raise his game
    May, 4, 2012
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    By Jared Zwerling | ESPNNewYork.com
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    GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- Friday afternoon's media session with Mike Woodson felt more like an exit interview than a look-ahead to Game 4.

    Reporters' questions and Woodson's answers came across like the Knicks already got swept in the first round of the playoffs for the second year in a row.

    The tipping off point was Woodson saying, "There's a lot of things that's got to be changed."

    Woodson said his ultimate goals for the Knicks, if he's back next season as head coach (without the interim tag), is for them to place in the top four spots in the Eastern Conference and win the Atlantic Division, so they can host their first-round series and move on.

    "Thatís important when you start out in a playoff series," he said. "You have to host at home."

    In order for the team to do that, Woodson said a few things need to be addressed. The first centers around star player Carmelo Anthony. Simply put, the coach said Melo has to raise his game and conditioning level in the offseason.

    "Expectations are not going to change here in New York, and they shouldn't, rightfully so," Woodson said. "[Melo's] got to do some things this summer to better his game, as well as Tyson [Chandler] and Amare [Stoudemire], and all the supporting cast that might return. If I'm the head coach, I've got to make sure that happens because that's the only way you're going to get out of the rut, in terms of being a first-round exit. [Melo's] got to change that. Us not winning a playoff game, that's got to change on my part, along with the guys that return."

    Woodson specifically said Anthony has to get in better shape. While insiders have never questioned the training approach of his sidekick, Stoudemire -- visibly he always look fit and several veteran NBA trainers agree he has one of the strongest cores -- they did, however, with Anthony, especially coming into the shortened season.

    "I think [Melo's] made major strides this year. When we started this journey, he made guys around him better and he was better for it," Woodson said. "I just think there's got to be a continuation. I've got to push him to be in better shape when you start the season. Everybody's got to be in better shape. There's got to be some changes for this team to really get to the next level."

    There were times in the middle of the season where Anthony looked tired and didn't have his legs under him, even though his right-wrist injury was another cause for his poor shooting from February to mid-March. Now in the playoffs, the Heat's MO has been to wear him down and they've done that, not allowing him to catch fire in the second half and fourth quarter -- the latter where he's known to have his performances.

    Melo's got the size to get by defenders at 6-8, 230, but sometimes he looks rugged and seems to expend too much energy driving to the basket. And as a result, he doesn't always bring it on the defensive end.

    The second major thing that Woodson mentioned is on his summer schedule is to help Anthony and Stoudemire work together better on the court. In fact, so far they're 0-7 in playoff games, from last year against the Celtics to currently against the Heat.

    "There is hope," Woodson said, referring to their playing relationship. "This summer will be very pivotal for a lot of the players that are on this team that will be coming back, in terms of a development stage. There's a lot of things that have to happen this summer. But if I am back, this summer is going to be very pivotal in terms of developing these guys."

    "They've got to be better, and Melo has got to be better. I know a couple of those guys might have a shot at playing on the Olympic team. As an organization, it's my job or it will be my job, and the staff, to better this team and develop the players to the point where this won't happen next season."

    While Woodson didn't address all of the questions surrounding the Knicks' future -- there was still Game 4 to talk about -- he discussed some of the ways how the meat of the team (Anthony, Stoudemire and Chandler) can step it up in Season 2. Woodson's straight-to-the-point messages was just another example of how he demands accountability. Will Anthony, Stoudemire and Chandler continue to buy in? Their support will bring Woodson back.

    Beyond those "big pieces of the puzzle," which Woodson always says referring to the Knicks' Big Three, in order for the team to fill out their roster heading into training camp, they'll need a starting point guard (likely Jeremy Lin), an initial replacement for Iman Shumpert (free agency), a sixth-man scorer (would J.R. Smith sign for less?), a stretch four off the bench (would Steve Novak follow suit?) and a younger and more athletic version of Jared Jeffries (Shumpert once referred to Jeremy Evans as the prototype for that backup big man position).

    The Knicks have been renting well, but the question is: Do they have enough money to own?
    Woodson has a vision and he turned this season around, I say keep him and let him continue his vision

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    He has Wade and LeBron they make any coach look good, what did he do with the Heat since he took over, ****, until LeBron came
    Of course. People need to not nuthug these coaches so much.

    Coaches aren't geniuses, really. And this is a game played and won by players, not coaches.

    You need the talent, and you need the right type of talent. It's that simple. The final piece is a coach who happens to be non-retarded and who's style/system syncs up well with that talent.

    To Spo's credit, he has found a way to give MIA a pretty nice offensive system this year. But it's not rocket science. He isn't reinventing the wheel, or trail blazing some brilliant basketball way of winning.

    I don't consider Doc Rivers a great coach, either.

    I don't believe in great coaches, period. There are good coaches and morons. And neither is immune to looking like a moron if they don't have the right roster.

    edit -- maybe you could say Jackson and Pop are great coaches, primarily by the sheer longetivity and consistency of their success....despite both of them always having talent.

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    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    Of course. People need to not nuthug these coaches so much.

    Coaches aren't geniuses, really. And this is a game played and won by players, not coaches.

    You need the talent, and you need the right type of talent. It's that simple. The final piece is a coach who happens to be non-retarded and who's style/system syncs up well with that talent.

    To Spo's credit, he has found a way to give MIA a pretty nice offensive system this year. But it's not rocket science. He isn't reinventing the wheel, or trail blazing some brilliant basketball way of winning.

    I don't consider Doc Rivers a great coach, either.

    I don't believe in great coaches, period. There are good coaches and morons. And neither is immune to looking like a moron if they don't have the right roster.

    edit -- maybe you could say Jackson and Pop are great coaches, primarily by the sheer longetivity and consistency of their success....despite both of them always having talent.
    agreed, we're fine with Woodson and I know what a lot of our problems are, the 1st is consistency not only on the court but personnel, if we keep switching players and coaches we'll never reach our potential, the Heat added 2 role players, the Knicks added, 10 new guys if my count is right(Anthony, Stoudemire, Fields and Jeffries were the only rotation guys who played last year), Toney doesn't play and we added Lin, Smith, Shumpert, Novak, Harrellson, Jordan, Chandler, Davis, Bibby and Gadzuric

    we have a core now lets establish our identity and get the ball rollin

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    agreed, we're fine with Woodson and I know what a lot of our problems are, the 1st is consistency not only on the court but personnel, if we keep switching players and coaches we'll never reach our potential, the Heat added 2 role players, the Knicks added, 10 new guys if my count is right(Anthony, Stoudemire, Fields and Jeffries were the only rotation guys who played last year), Toney doesn't play and we added Lin, Smith, Shumpert, Novak, Harrellson, Jordan, Chandler, Davis, Bibby and Gadzuric

    we have a core now lets establish our identity and get the ball rollin
    True. There's a lot to be said for consistency too. I need to lay off Woodson some myself and not refer my angers with elements of this franchise onto him.

    I guess if Jackson will come he comes. But outside of that, I'd have to agree n say absolutely no to anyone else; and give Woodson a legit chance, let him stay, and let's see what he can do with a full off season of finally a legit roster that stays together.

    If by all-star break things look super whack, maybe we have to find a new coach. But honestly, at that pt, we will know our problems are much deeper than the coach.

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