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    Originally Posted by 21 Shump Street
    I see your point, but Fields plays great in Mob Deep with Lin especially, but is great with Novak and Jeffries. Basically what im saying is why let him go when he will prove to be a cheap but solid role player, when we are going to replace him with an old vet who we may get use out of for a year or two max.

    We need to stop with the quick fixes as a franchise, plus in the post Big 3 era, a core of Lin, Fields, Shump, Melo, is solid and perhaps Jerome Jordan and Jorts may turn out to be solid as well.
    Fair enough. A role as the backup to Melo is reasonable.

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    Originally Posted by MeloforMayor
    Fields is a good player... but I just don't see him fitting in with our core if he doesn't improve that jumpshot (which is ugly).
    he better be working with Allan Houston.....I mean Fields brings everything to his game.....If he cannot find his shot that there is no way he should start,

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    This decision would be HUGE for NYK. Obviously. This would mean we can let Fields go, while keeping LIN, NOVAK & SMITH.

    We would still have our MLE (Nash), or Bi-annual, while handing out a few vet min.

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    he better be working with Allan Houston.....I mean Fields brings everything to his game.....If he cannot find his shot that there is no way he should start,
    If NYK is banking on Fields as anything more than the 9th player in the roation then we failed this Summer.

    He'll never be a shooter... He's a tweener. Not big enough to eb a true NBA SF, not enough offense to be a SG. There's a reason he slipped to the mid 2nd round. He has not outside game, and the Knicks need that from their SG.

    He plays decent enough defense, can slash and rebound, and is good on the run...

    If we're confident Shumpert will return around DEC/JAN, and if JR Smith opts-in, Knicks can get away with another year of Fields, or bringing in a vet to handle the load until the Shump-Smith combo lock down the SG spot.

    But the Knicks have to address the SF position. We need a true SF to spell Carmelo. We should draft one in the 2nd round. It'll be full of SG/SF bodies. We should use use the vet min to bring in a low risj/high reward option.

    As for SG... Man, this is tough. I would prefer we allocate our slim resources to shore up the PG position. Dream scenario is we end up being able to bird rights LIN, and give full MLE to Nash. This means we have to bring back Fields.

    HOWEVER, if we fail to get Nash, then we should look to split the MLE between LIN & a SG (Jamaal Crawford). OR, give LIN half the MLE, and trade for a salary-dump SG (Ben Gordon).

    Ben Gordon would be great playing in MSG. He can shoot.

    Shumpert, Smith & Gordon would give us our starting SG, our 6th man off the bench along with our backup SG.

    This would also mean that Fields's role would simply be defense, rebound, and back up Carmelo. Less the better.

    No even sure if BG is possible though. He makes about 12 mil this year & next. It would take sign-&-trade w/ Fields (5 mil), TD-Balkman-Jordan (4.5 mil).

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    The Raptors, Mavericks, Trail Blazers, Warriors and Nets are interested in signing Jeremy Lin, sources tell Hoopsworld's Alex Kennedy.


    Because Lin is a restricted free agent and his salary is controlled under the "Arenas Provision" in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, it's going to be very difficult to pry Lin out of New York. Regardless, expect several teams to "express interest" in Lin as free agency gets closer.

    (Rotoworld..com)

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    Originally Posted by mafra
    The Raptors, Mavericks, Trail Blazers, Warriors and Nets are interested in signing Jeremy Lin, sources tell Hoopsworld's Alex Kennedy.


    Because Lin is a restricted free agent and his salary is controlled under the "Arenas Provision" in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, it's going to be very difficult to pry Lin out of New York. Regardless, expect several teams to "express interest" in Lin as free agency gets closer.

    (Rotoworld..com)
    I heard the Sac Kings are also interested. You can expect the Nets to definitely make an offer whether they lose DW or not, EC teams are going to want to put the "hard cap" squeeze on us and force the Knicks to match a 5M plus offer for Lin just to take away our player options.

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    Dream Scenario

    Lin to Kings for Tyreke Evans

    Reke and H20 workout all summer on his jumper and he gets back to 20-5-5 ROY Tyreke Evans while STAT and Melo learn how to play together when then sign and trade JR Smith to the Celtics for Avery Bradley

    G- Bradley
    G- Evans
    C- Chandler
    F- Stoudemire
    F- Anthony

    What a dream scenario

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    Originally Posted by mafra
    If NYK is banking on Fields as anything more than the 9th player in the roation then we failed this Summer.

    He'll never be a shooter... He's a tweener. Not big enough to eb a true NBA SF, not enough offense to be a SG. There's a reason he slipped to the mid 2nd round. He has not outside game, and the Knicks need that from their SG.

    He plays decent enough defense, can slash and rebound, and is good on the run...

    If we're confident Shumpert will return around DEC/JAN, and if JR Smith opts-in, Knicks can get away with another year of Fields, or bringing in a vet to handle the load until the Shump-Smith combo lock down the SG spot.

    But the Knicks have to address the SF position. We need a true SF to spell Carmelo. We should draft one in the 2nd round. It'll be full of SG/SF bodies. We should use use the vet min to bring in a low risj/high reward option.

    As for SG... Man, this is tough. I would prefer we allocate our slim resources to shore up the PG position. Dream scenario is we end up being able to bird rights LIN, and give full MLE to Nash. This means we have to bring back Fields.

    HOWEVER, if we fail to get Nash, then we should look to split the MLE between LIN & a SG (Jamaal Crawford). OR, give LIN half the MLE, and trade for a salary-dump SG (Ben Gordon).

    Ben Gordon would be great playing in MSG. He can shoot.

    Shumpert, Smith & Gordon would give us our starting SG, our 6th man off the bench along with our backup SG.

    This would also mean that Fields's role would simply be defense, rebound, and back up Carmelo. Less the better.

    No even sure if BG is possible though. He makes about 12 mil this year & next. It would take sign-&-trade w/ Fields (5 mil), TD-Balkman-Jordan (4.5 mil).

    We need winners...please no Jamal Crawford. Again lobe the guy but we are building an NBA cHAMPIONSHIP TEAM AND HE IS NOT A WINNER

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    ^ Tyreke and Melo would fit together like Melo and Amare. But worse, imo.

    A legit, all-star'ish PG is what we need, and ideally one with qualities high on IQ and/or pure PG skills.

    Shumpert, JR.....we have SGs with real starting ability, and finding a SG to fit a team like ours will never be that tough (or important) of a task, compared to PG.

    If we get another SG, I'd just want it to be a sniper, Kyle Korver-type. We gotta see how Shump recover, of course, and what happens with JR (even if he signs with us, we need to him to mature his game a bit).

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    Dream Scenario

    Lin to Kings for Tyreke Evans

    Reke and H20 workout all summer on his jumper and he gets back to 20-5-5 ROY Tyreke Evans while STAT and Melo learn how to play together when then sign and trade JR Smith to the Celtics for Avery Bradley

    G- Bradley
    G- Evans
    C- Chandler
    F- Stoudemire
    F- Anthony

    What a dream scenario
    You serious bro? You actually want Melo,Amare,and Evans on the same team? That would be an absolute disaster

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    Originally Posted by Rob Low
    You serious bro? You actually want Melo,Amare,and Evans on the same team? That would be an absolute disaster
    lol Tyreke is a underated player IMO, i think this may have been the worse year he had. His shooting was horrible and his assits numbers took a hit, but i think if you put him on a playoff team the kid does damage, i think he'd be motivated to really improve his game and you'd see a brand new player in him. He's just not fit for the KINGS and never was if they were smart they would build around cousins and that kid Isiah thomas. Evans is only 22 and been in the league only since the 09 season which he had a great season and won ROY, he has potential alot of it, he just needs the right mentors and supporting cast IMO, that kings team is way to young but they have talent they need to either bring in a star player or like trade evans and get some more pieces in return, the way the knicks are built right now i don't think evans is needed because we have shumpert, all we need is a knock down shooter ray allen, korver, james jones type dudes.

    id trade Fields for the bradley guy though lol throw in jerome if i had to. Bradleys defense is unbelievable could you imagine Shump Bradley and Chandler on the floor at the same time!
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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    lol Tyreke is a underated player IMO, i think this may have been the worse year he had. His shooting was horrible and his assits numbers took a hit, but i think if you put him on a playoff team the kid does damage, i think he'd be motivated to really improve his game and you'd see a brand new player in him. He's just not fit for the KINGS and never was if they were smart they would build around cousins and that kid Isiah thomas. Evans is only 22 and been in the league only since the 09 season which he had a great season and won ROY, he has potential alot of it, he just needs the right mentors and supporting cast IMO, that kings team is way to young but they have talent they need to either bring in a star player or like trade evans and get some more pieces in return, the way the knicks are built right now i don't think evans is needed because we have shumpert, all we need is a knock down shooter ray allen, korver, james jones type dudes.

    id trade Fields for the bradley guy though lol throw in jerome if i had to. Bradleys defense is unbelievable could you imagine Shump Bradley and Chandler on the floor at the same time!
    Don't get me wrong Evans is a good player but we barely have enough shots between Melo and Amare, we don't need another scorer. We need Nash to come and control the tempo and make sure everybody gets shots. Evans would be good on a team like Philly that needs a go to scorer.

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    Originally Posted by MeloforMayor
    Fields is a good player... but I just don't see him fitting in with our core if he doesn't improve that jumpshot (which is ugly).
    If the Bird rights go our way it is essential we use the MLE on the best pass-first complimentary PG we can find. We also should find away to get Aaron Brooks via trade TD to Phoenix. With a injured Shump throughout the 2012-13 season I still dont want JR Smith on the roster, JR is only good if we could sign and trade him in offseason.

    Landry Fields, Novak, Shump, Jorts, and Jordan are great players to have when our roster of players workout & prepare at the Knicks facility during the offseason for the 82 game regular season. All of the above 5 players co-exist with Lin-Santy playing off the ball.....imagine how well these players would perform when they practice how to screen left or screen right with two to three touches before the shot.

    Lin-Sanity did great by keeping the movement of the ball getting 3 touches before the shot consistently, which open up alley-oops for Tyson Chandler, and back doors for Jefferies, Fields, Shump, plus a slashing Lin-Sanity down the middle.

    The big error on our offense all season long.....were certain players (no names) holding the ball in one spot for 3 to 5 seconds, then dribble the ball for 3 to 5 seconds, then shoot the ball when fully covered by one or two defenders. If the ball go in the basket we jump with excitement, but that only happen 36% of the time. One of our players started this act, then the next player follow the act, then it became a domino teammate act.
    I guess this is where Lin-Sanity got his name, Lin was the only player "sane" enough to stop the domino act (ISO-plays)...which return in the postseason.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    If the Bird rights go our way it is essential we use the MLE on the best pass-first complimentary PG we can find. We also should find away to get Aaron Brooks via trade TD to Phoenix. With a injured Shump throughout the 2012-13 season I still dont want JR Smith on the roster, JR is only good if we could sign and trade him in offseason.

    Landry Fields, Novak, Shump, Jorts, and Jordan are great players to have when our roster of players workout & prepare at the Knicks facility during the offseason for the 82 game regular season. All of the above 5 players co-exist with Lin-Santy playing off the ball.....imagine how well these players would perform when they practice how to screen left or screen right with two to three touches before the shot.

    Lin-Sanity did great by keeping the movement of the ball getting 3 touches before the shot consistently, which open up alley-oops for Tyson Chandler, and back doors for Jefferies, Fields, Shump, plus a slashing Lin-Sanity down the middle.

    The big error on our offense all season long.....were certain players (no names) holding the ball in one spot for 3 to 5 seconds, then dribble the ball for 3 to 5 seconds, then shoot the ball when fully covered by one or two defenders. If the ball go in the basket we jump with excitement, but that only happen 36% of the time. One of our players started this act, then the next player follow the act, then it became a domino teammate act.
    I guess this is where Lin-Sanity got his name, Lin was the only player "sane" enough to stop the domino act (ISO-plays)...which return in the postseason.
    Based on NYK poster we can get alot for JR

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