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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    In 3 & a half seasons as the Knicks' head coach, he compiled a record of 121W - 167L. That's pretty heinous for a guy who was widely considered to be a coaching genius when he was hired. The rosters he's had to work with were easily capable of posting better win tallies, especially when you look at some of the rosters that other coaches around the league have had to work with & still been able to achieve much better success.
    You only have to look as far as all the players who didn't perform here but are flourishing elsewhere.

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    Originally Posted by Sage
    You only have to look as far as all the players who didn't perform here but are flourishing elsewhere.

    you're right. like stephon marbury. he won a chip

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    Zach Randolph, Jamal Crawford hell we might see what Eddy Curry has got tonight

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    like any system, DAntoni system needs total buy-in from players, BUT it also requires a lot of sacrifice from offensive iso players.

    as far as defense is concerned, it is doomed to fail unless you have great individual defensive players like LeBron for instance playing in it.

    Clippers with DAntoni will be scary for sure, CP3 is the perfect player to run it.

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    Originally Posted by KnickolasMGL
    like any system, DAntoni system needs total buy-in from players, BUT it also requires a lot of sacrifice from offensive iso players.

    as far as defense is concerned, it is doomed to fail unless you have great individual defensive players like LeBron for instance playing in it.

    Clippers with DAntoni will be scary for sure, CP3 is the perfect player to run it.
    Disagree, I don't really see the Clips as being a good match to run his speedball system. They are lacking in quality 3 point shooters. Orlando would probably be a better fit if they end up trading Dwight Howard this summer for a pick & roll big that can knock down a perimeter J (Pau Gasol?). They already have all the other pieces that D'Antoni looks for to run his system, namely a plethora of perimeter shooters.

    As for players buying in to his system, he was coaching in NY for 2 & a half seasons before the Carmelo trade went down & it never really seemed that any of the players completely bought in other than guys who were padding their stats in contract seasons. David Lee & Chris Duhon had some good chemistry running the pick & roll in this system, but those teams were still horrible. At some point I think we need to look at the flaws in the system when so many players have come & gone in the time D'Antoni has been here & never once were they ever able to achieve any level of consistently good play.

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    D'Antoni's system is great - that is as long as guys are taking & making a ton of 3 point shots. Otherwise it gets exposed real fast. The pace that he demands on the offensive side of the ball makes the defense suffer. In 3 & a half seasons as the Knicks' head coach, he compiled a record of 121W - 167L. That's pretty heinous for a guy who was widely considered to be a coaching genius when he was hired. The rosters he's had to work with were easily capable of posting better win tallies, especially when you look at some of the rosters that other coaches around the league have had to work with & still been able to achieve much better success, like Doug Collins in Philly, Ty Corbin in Utah & Vogel in Indiana. Mike Woodson took over the same team that D'Antoni had at 6 games under .500 & took them to an 18W - 6L record to finish out the season. The lazy Knicks fan will just blame all this on Melo's quitting on D'Antoni & finally deciding to play defense for Woody, but in actuality it was the entire Knicks team that just played much better under Woodson's watch. Mike D'Antoni was simply not getting the job done in NY, & he knew it. He has no one to blame for his no longer being here but himself.
    You must not have been rewatching the same game tapes I watched because I did watch Melo quit, and I did watch Stat valet buckets for the other team.

    Case closed.

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    What case? This thread should be closed.

    It can be argued Mello quit on the coach. But its not a fact that can be clearly pin pointed, why? Well, simply because we all seen mello out there trying to run/play within D'Ants flawed system. We all seen him put up points rebound and dish out dimes within this wack system. Facts.

    As far as quitting is concerned...it was the wack, clueles coach (that can't adapt to the game) quitting on Mello and the whole knicks organization. Why? Because he didn't know how to coach the talent he had. Fact.

    I'm glad he's outta here... don't care where he ends up as long as he's not anywhere near the Knicks. I just hope his fans will follow him...that would be nice.

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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    What case? This thread should be closed.

    It can be argued Mello quit on the coach. But its not a fact that can be clearly pin pointed, why? Well, simply because we all seen mello out there trying to run/play within D'Ants flawed system. We all seen him put up points rebound and dish out dimes within this wack system. Facts.

    As far as quitting is concerned...it was the wack, clueles coach (that can't adapt to the game) quitting on Mello and the whole knicks organization. Why? Because he didn't know how to coach the talent he had. Fact.

    I'm glad he's outta here... don't care where he ends up as long as he's not anywhere near the Knicks. I just hope his fans will follow him...that would be nice.
    Agreed. It's all too convenient to blame Melo for quitting on his coach, but the fact remains the entire TEAM was highly inconsistent playing under D'Antoni & that was the case long before Melo ever got here. This team has never had a sustained run of success like they had once D'Antoni left & Woodson took over the coaching duties. D'Antoni has had problems maintaining sustained levels of effort out of just about all of the teams he's coached in NY. I remember reading an article citing Chauncey Billups having misgivings about D'Antoni's system when he was traded here, & made it known that he believed the team needed to place much more emphasis on playing defense. This has to raise some red flags when a well respected vet like Billups, who knows what it takes to win a championship, is raising these concerns.

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    Agreed. It's all too convenient to blame Melo for quitting on his coach, but the fact remains the entire TEAM was highly inconsistent playing under D'Antoni & that was the case long before Melo ever got here. This team has never had a sustained run of success like they had once D'Antoni left & Woodson took over the coaching duties. D'Antoni has had problems maintaining sustained levels of effort out of just about all of the teams he's coached in NY. I remember reading an article citing Chauncey Billups having misgivings about D'Antoni's system when he was traded here, & made it known that he believed the team needed to place much more emphasis on playing defense. This has to raise some red flags when a well respected vet like Billups, who knows what it takes to win a championship, is raising these concerns.
    I really don't get the fuss about him. He's a person that wants to win, he scores, rebounds, and passes more than people want to admit. The team will get better once his trust in them becomes stronger. People seem to always over look the simple facts that we have a whole new team and coaching staff.

    I get upset too when we lose, but I'm not going to misdirect my anger in such a way. That will just expose some envy issues and cluelessness. I would give the team some time to find a identity first before I go off on any particular player.

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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    I really don't get the fuss about him. He's a person that wants to win, he scores, rebounds, and passes more than people want to admit. The team will get better once his trust in them becomes stronger. People seem to always over look the simple facts that we have a whole new team and coaching staff.

    I get upset too when we lose, but I'm not going to misdirect my anger in such a way. That will just expose some envy issues and cluelessness. I would give the team some time to find a identity first before I go off on any particular player.
    100% agreed with everything you said. I watch every game very carefully, sometimes twice or 3 times on replay just to see if I didn't catch something on the first go around. In just about every game I've watched Melo play, he's 1 of the guys on the floor giving a ton of effort fighting for rebounds, going up for putbacks on his own shot, fighting for position down low, fighting to get into the lane & either get the layup or draw the foul.

    He's also been highly underrated as a passer as well, this season he averaged the most assists per game in his last 7 seasons, & for a guy who over his entire high school, college & professional career has been mostly looked upon to carry the scoring load for every team he's played on, I think it shows he's at least trying to look for his teammates more. Melo is not a point guard, he is not a guy who is accustomed to orchestrating an offense & shouldn't be looked upon to set guys up in motion for easy buckets. D'Antoni was trying to turn him into a point forward instead of using him to his strengths posting up guys down low. Instead of adapting his system to the players he had on the roster like any good coach would do, he tried to change the players' games to adapt to his system. This is what has consistently bothered me about him ever since he got the job as our coach.

    Knicks fans that complain about Melo's style of play need to stop expecting him to be something that he's not. They want him to be Lebron James or Steve Nash, but he's not that type of player. Melo's a pure scorer in the mold of Bernard King. He's used to being the guy that gets the ball passed to HIM to do the scoring.

    I also think he's shown much more of a consistent effort on the defensive end also. People ask why that effort wasn't there when D'Antoni was coaching here, but fail to realize that effort was lacking in the other players that played under him too, & that encompassed all the teams since he was our coach. I don't see why fans can't just be happy that they're seeing our best player starting to take some accountability for how the team performs, instead of pointing fingers at his teammates for their shortcomings. Melo handled all the negative backlash thrown his way this year like a true pro in my opinion, even when Linsanity broke loose & everyone was thinking this team was better off without him. I think with a full offseason training camp playing with Lin, Amar'e, Shump & Chandler under the same system that Mike Woodson is running, they'll be a much better team next year. Hopefully we'll be able to retain Steve Novak too. This team needs to build that team cohesion & trust in each other that you see in teams like the Spurs & Celtics. That type of chemistry is only built over time & growing pains are all a part of the process. Knick fans need to realize this.

    Sorry for the longwinded post, but this hate towards Melo by some Knick fans just doesn't make sense to me & never has.

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    Well said^^ and that's basically all to it.

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    100% agreed with everything you said. I watch every game very carefully, sometimes twice or 3 times on replay just to see if I didn't catch something on the first go around.
    Are you working at Knicks front office? Why did you watch every game twice or 3 times?


    Originally Posted by STAT1
    He's also been highly underrated as a passer as well, this season he averaged the most assists per game in his last 7 seasons, & for a guy who over his entire high school, college & professional career has been mostly looked upon to carry the scoring load for every team he's played on, I think it shows he's at least trying to look for his teammates more.
    I think there's still room for him to pass more.


    Originally Posted by STAT1
    I think with a full offseason training camp playing with Lin, Amar'e, Shump & Chandler under the same system that Mike Woodson is running, they'll be a much better team next year.
    100 % agreed!

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    Originally Posted by rogeryy
    Are you working at Knicks front office? Why did you watch every game twice or 3 times?
    Lol! Nah, I just like to analyze what I'm watching. You'd be surprised at how many of the intricacies of games that you can catch on the 2nd time watching the game that might have gone unnoticed the first time you watch it, especially how guys are playing off the ball.

    I think there's still room for him to pass more.
    Absolutely, I agree with you here. I'm sure Melo would agree with that too. I think once he starts to develop more trust in his teammates after more practices & familiarity, the chemistry will be better. I really thought this team was making progress in the last few weeks of the season & their ability to stay away from any prolonged losing streak was really encouraging. Lin coming back will help to take some of the orchestrating load off of Melo's shoulders next season, but this season I thought Melo was at least making a conscious effort to get other guys involved.

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    Lol! Nah, I just like to analyze what I'm watching. You'd be surprised at how many of the intricacies of games that you can catch on the 2nd time watching the game that might have gone unnoticed the first time you watch it, especially how guys are playing off the ball.
    So true! But I'm not as patient as you. I would watch clips/highlights times and again though.

    By the way, I'm not sure if I'm right, I'm thinking.... while it may help you catch the missed intricacies of games watching it for the second or third time, it may also bring you so deep into the game and you can't look at the whole picture any more.

    For example, you followed every Melo's move, then you became him, you thought like him, and you felt each of his move was a nature thing to do.

    Just like people so into Steve Novak would think he's better than Ray Allen. (Which I do. )

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    Forget it, I don't know what I'm talking about.

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    Originally Posted by rogeryy
    So true! But I'm not as patient as you. I would watch clips/highlights times and again though.

    By the way, I'm not sure if I'm right, I'm thinking.... while it may help you catch the missed intricacies of games watching it for the second or third time, it may also bring you so deep into the game and you can't look at the whole picture any more.

    For example, you followed every Melo's move, then you became him, you thought like him, and you felt each of his move was a nature thing to do.

    Just like people so into Steve Novak would think he's better than Ray Allen. (Which I do. )

    ........................................

    Forget it, I don't know what I'm talking about.
    I think in terms of catch & shoot ability, Novak's J is right up there alongside Ray Allen's. But when you consider the ability to move without the ball, run the defenders off screens to get open & knock down the quick J, there's not many guys better at it than Ray even at his advanced age. Novak's effectiveness is severely hampered by his inability to do much other than spot up shooting (which he is awesome at I agree). If all things were equal & I had to choose whether to take Novak or Ray Allen at similar dollars, I'd probably opt for Ray Allen to tell you the truth. He gives you more versatility on offense. Just my personal opinion. But I do love Novak's team first mentality & would love to see him back in a Knicks' uniform next season.

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