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    I agree the Carmelo trade was not exactly ideal from my standpoint, not because i don't like Carmelo as a player but

    1. I disliked it because of how much we gave up and we basically traded out almost all our starters. Sure you can say Carmelo is worth it he's a top scorer in this league, but me personally as a fan of the Knicks i prefer Depth and Cap room space. I would of liked if Carmelo came through free agency if he really wanted to be on the Knicks forcing a trade was unnecessary. I know the new CBA was an issue but if you really want to be somewhere with dreams to win a championship you make that strive to get there the right way. If melo came as a FA we would probably have one of the deepest teams in the NBA.

    2. I disliked pairing MELO up with AMARE, that was a risk itself, I never saw them two as a fitting 1 2 punch. It just makes no sense to me we have 2 guys who basically both prefer iso and both shoot around the same areas on the floor, the only difference is one is 6'10 with bad knees and less creative.

    ^^^ and Melo has been my favorite player since his Denver days, thats just how i honestly feel.

    In all fairness i would like to see this team with a full training camp, and healthy roster under woodson before i judge "Melowoody ball"... Woodson is the headcoach now he has a chance to insert his plays and what ever he wants to do, when he came here and took over he was mostly still using Dantoni schemes on the court. I want to see what Woody can do as our headcoach with a full training camp and healthy roster at this point. If things are not clicking i say we pull the trigger for a trade by the deadline. Their is no point in keeping 2 players (Amare & Melo) for another 3 years if they cant mesh together fluently and consistently
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    Originally Posted by FrazierVocab
    Walsh never did want it your right only Dolan did. He envisioned dollar signs and sponsors not wins or banners.
    You nailed it. Dolan is a businessman after all. He is in it for the money, the ring is just a bonus, if ever.

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    Originally Posted by orangeblobman

    This is all sinking in, how ****ty the future is for the Knicks. Get used to it.
    Hah. Been used to it a long time ago. Don't really see the use of pulling my hair over this team cause it's not like I have any control over it. None of us have.

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    Originally Posted by Cuckoo
    Dolan learned from his past experiences, a "yes, sir" and "how high, boss" type of coach fits perfect into his system. He couldnt care less if Knicks ever gonna win a chip, for as long as the MSG stock price is high and attendance is full. He makes sure no one in his organization will rock the boat! No Phil, no Sloan and no risk!


    Don't expect Melo to change much anytime soon. When a player doesnt find flaws in his game by admitting to bad games, areas where needing improving, and not believing in long gym workouts, changes just wont happen. There is nothing to fix! Woodson is in no position to make any demands on Melo. Hell, Melo was the one who got him the job in the first place literally!


    I feel you pain but nothing will ever change for as long as Dolan is in the helm.
    You got that right. It makes sense that no business owner will want an employee who rocks the boat.

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    Originally Posted by orangeblobman
    You have Woodson, who averaged 34 wins per year over 6 years with Atlanta.

    That's 6 years, averaging 34 wins per year.

    Then they signed Joe Johnson and the strategy became "give the ball to Joe Johnson". The Joe Johnson/ Woodson Hawks went on to get eaten alive in the playoffs, as if they were little rabbits. Nom nom nom I eat the rabbit.

    Carmelo, he's a poor basketball player who does not understand that hoops is a team game.

    I think we have a perfect mixture, a perfect recipe for disaster here.

    Knicks can win some regular season games (I give them 44 next year), but they will ultimately suck balls.

    I just can't get over the moves this franchise makes, I don't understand the moves:

    1. Trade for Melo, stupid move
    2. resign Woodson, retarded move

    I just don't get it and I am frustrated as a fan, and I don't feel good about anything right now.

    If you actually believe this team, with Woodson and Melo (Melowood), can do anything, ever, then you are drinking a lot of alcohol right now, maybe you are drinking every day.

    No one can see anything good in the future for this team, sad to say.

    I can't wait for the 2015 or 2016 rebuild.
    Why wallow in negativity? Even IF you were correct, what good does your "opinion" do for the Knicks and for the fans??

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    Originally Posted by orangeblobman
    I can't wait for the 2015 or 2016 rebuild.
    Right there with you brother. It will be the most excitement I will get out of the Knicks since the old rebuild. We had a good thing with W Chandler, Gallo, Felton, Mozgov, Stat. Of course we had to blow it up to embrace mediocrity with Melo and Stat. Not to mention the resigning of Mike Woodson.

    Eyes wide, waiting for him out the door, Carmelo and Stats salary off the books, and what comes afterward comes. Hopefully we retain Shumpert, and Jeremy Lin goes free. I like the kid too much for him to have to defect to Carmelo everytime he goes down the court as per Woodson's offensive philosophy.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina

    We have to ride it out until it becomes unbelievably apparent that he's just an average coach with no offensive creativity or know-how.
    Why until? Are you suggesting that our deficiency will switch ends under Woodson? That he's the antithesis of D'Antoni and thus we suffer equally on the other side of the pendulum?

    With the team we have, offense will (at least it should) come much easier than defense. If this team's approach is to win behind the DPOY and a well oiled and orchestrated defensive unit, the rest will (hopefully, unless Woodson is as much of an offensive dud as you say) fall in to place.

    So I'm happy about that. In fact, it's what I've been hoping for. Now we just have to see the results ~ FA signings in and out and league decisions on waived players pending, I think we're heading toward the right approach for the team Dolan's payed for.

    Until seems rather presumptuous.

    Originally Posted by iSaYughh

    How about that MDA-based offense in San An, btw? Pretty fun to see the whole being worth so much more than the sum of the parts, when the right parts are in place being executed the right way.
    I honestly have not seen a single Spurs game all season. What's so MDA about their approach? Parker making like Nash? No interior game for Duncan?

    Originally Posted by Oldtimer
    I have been sorely disappointed with a substantial number of decisions Knicks' management has made, particularly since the signing of Layden as the General Manager over a decade ago. But spilled milk is spilled milk.

    We have recently paid a price in the unsuccessful effort of getting LeBron. It was a worthwhile gamble, but in retrospect it appears that LeBron intended to take his talents to South Beach long before the ridiculously staged formal announcement. I think we were played by team Lebron. Perhaps we would not have invested so heavily in Amare' if we knew it was not going to help in attracting LeBron.

    I believe that for the next year or two, at least, Amare' is untradeable for anything that would add value or significant cap space. We are not trading Melo. I would do it for Howard or Bynum, but I do not think Dolan would.

    Melo is a terrific offensive player, one of the very best. He has the athletic capacity to be a very good defensive player. And when he wants to, he can pass very well. Melo does not look as though he is in top physical shape, but he seems to play with the speed and strength of one in very good shape. He may be one of those persons whose outward appearance is deceiving. I am told that Mark Aguirre always looked out of shape and pudgy, but when the Pistons did some fat percentage analysis, he fared very well.

    My problem with Melo is that he needs the ball and often plays --albeit with substantially good results -- one on one or two and with the rest of the team with somewhat better than front row seats.

    I like Lin, but he also dominates the ball. Though the ball does not "stop" with him, it is only because he constantly moves with it, often finding an open man, but nonetheless using a substantial portion of the shot clock. This will frustrate Melo, who would prefer someone like Shumpert at the point who will defer to him and constantly feed him at that elbow where Melo likes so much to commence his ISO moves.

    I am not sure that Lin, Melo, Amare' and Chandler, although all very capable, can work that well together. Woodson is going to have his work cut out for him.

    For the next three years, we will have over 75% of our cap space invested in Melo, Amare' and Chandler. We do not have the ability to sign any valuable free agent. We have no 1st round pick this year, and none in 2014. I think JR will go where the money is. I am not sure about Novak. Other teams can offer him more than we would probably want to pay him. His opportunity for signifcant paydays is limited. I would love it if somehow Odom fell to us. But I think Brooklyn has a better chance of getting him than we do.

    We will have a solid group, but a way must be found to get them to work together. The Spurs have done it with, arguably, less talent than we have.
    Genius.

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    So if you judge a coach strictly off of past performances instead of current situations then we should've really re-signed Mike D'antoni then right?

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    Originally Posted by Cuckoo
    Dolan learned from his past experiences, a "yes, sir" and "how high, boss" type of coach fits perfect into his system. He couldnt care less if Knicks ever gonna win a chip, for as long as the MSG stock price is high and attendance is full. He makes sure no one in his organization will rock the boat! No Phil, no Sloan and no risk!
    As long as Dolan is at the helm, NYK will not win a championship. He only cares about the bottomline of this sports franchise and he should. He is running a business while we're rooting for a team.

    IMO, we need a George Steinbrenner who won't consider it a success unless his team wins it all. Re-signing Woodson is a questionable move and probably will lead to another few years of frustration for us Knicks fans.

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    Originally Posted by Crazy⑧s
    I honestly have not seen a single Spurs game all season. What's so MDA about their approach? Parker making like Nash? No interior game for Duncan?
    I have watched quite a few Spurs games and I am as puzzled as you are about their continuing success in the tough Western division.

    Duncan is immobile. Parker hogs ball almost as much as Melo. Their scrubs were obtained from dumpsters but the minute they put on the Spurs uniform, they transformed into a team player and sharp shooter.

    Maybe we should've hired someone from Spurs' coaching staff instead of Woody.

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    I was actually waiting for more Posters to put down their thoughts/
    opinions/and the direction this thread was headed toward.

    Interim coach Mike Woodson gets a B+ for effort and player/coach relationship. There wasnt much any interim coach could do in a postseason series when Carmelo Anthony has the power to stop his paycheck (in 2008 Denver headcoach Karl & PG-Billups went to the WCF. In 2009 Denver assistant coach ??? & Melo got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs).
    Theres more but I have to go........

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    I am against J.R.Ball

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    Originally Posted by REALHEAT
    Yup. Dolan saw a bunch of dollar signs. Why not Melo, he's born in Brooklyn, went to college in state. Dolan wanted more sell outs, ticket prices etc etc. can you blame him? He's an owner lol.

    But they were definitely looking in difference directions. Melo wasn't apart of the plan unless he'd come at no expense of the former team.

    Walsh did a great job aquiring Amare and Felton that summer.
    The stupidest part of the deal is that winning chips is the best way to ensure strong cash money.

    Yea, Dolan goes for the short-term cash money. But winning franchises generate beyond even the decade they will win in.

    Guy doesn't understand that the ultimate money-maker is the ****ing championship team.

    Hey, Fat Fingers Jimmy: you suck.

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    Originally Posted by orangeblobman
    The stupidest part of the deal is that winning chips is the best way to ensure strong cash money.

    Yea, Dolan goes for the short-term cash money. But winning franchises generate beyond even the decade they will win in.

    Guy doesn't understand that the ultimate money-maker is the ****ing championship team.

    Hey, Fat Fingers Jimmy: you suck.
    Prime example for that are the Bulls. I can honestly say they are still benefiting from the Jordan Era. But Idk what was going on in Dolans head. I guess we will all see what moves the Knicks make this summer. Just hope they don't buy into the Lin thing long term. ( Absolutely no offense to the kid ). But we will all see.

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    Originally Posted by orangeblobman
    You have Woodson, who averaged 34 wins per year over 6 years with Atlanta.

    That's 6 years, averaging 34 wins per year.

    Then they signed Joe Johnson and the strategy became "give the ball to Joe Johnson". The Joe Johnson/ Woodson Hawks went on to get eaten alive in the playoffs, as if they were little rabbits. Nom nom nom I eat the rabbit.

    Carmelo, he's a poor basketball player who does not understand that hoops is a team game.

    I think we have a perfect mixture, a perfect recipe for disaster here.

    Knicks can win some regular season games (I give them 44 next year), but they will ultimately suck balls.

    I just can't get over the moves this franchise makes, I don't understand the moves:

    1. Trade for Melo, stupid move
    2. resign Woodson, retarded move

    I just don't get it and I am frustrated as a fan, and I don't feel good about anything right now.

    If you actually believe this team, with Woodson and Melo (Melowood), can do anything, ever, then you are drinking a lot of alcohol right now, maybe you are drinking every day.

    No one can see anything good in the future for this team, sad to say.

    I can't wait for the 2015 or 2016 rebuild.
    How can you say that right now, after 29 games together?With all the injures, a lockout year, and a coaching change in the middle of the year.

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