I totally agree, Amare is a concern as is Shump returning well from his surgery but I think we can be a top 4 seed for the play offs next season.
On the strength of our starting 5 of...
C- Tyson Chandler
PF- Amare Stoudemire (assuming he's with us)
SF- Carmelo Anthony
SG- Iman Shumpert
PG- Jeremy Lin
I think we'll be pretty good. That is, assuming everyone is healthy and in peak physical condition. We need our guys to play up to their full potential. We need to play pick n roll basketball with Lin and our bigs coupled with Melo's elbow/iso game and looks in the post. We need to make sure to make the defense pay with timely, consistent shooting from our shooters in the starting lineup and guys off the bench.
Let's say we come back with..
Drafted player A
Drafted player B
Drafted player C
Assuming JR Smith walks and Fields works on his outside shooting and becomes a stopper on the defensive end, we should be fine at the G-F position off the bench IMO. Fields is too smart and cares too much about playing well. He should be able to be a sixth or seventh man type. Fields should definitely not start.
That said , Shumpert is on the cusp of becoming a legit NBA starter, as long as he stays healthy, for the next 5-7 seasons. He's shown improvement on his outside shooting after working with Allan Houston. We know he can defend well. He's pesky as hell on the defensive end. He needs to finish better in traffic at the rim and he'll have the foundation needed to play at the 2 as a starter consistently.
Between Jorts, Fields, Odom (assuming we get him) and the best 3 ball launcher in the league in Novak, we should be pretty good off the bench. All of the above guys should be able to make shots and defend (with the exception of Novak who is not a good defender).
I really think Jorts is a legit back up center in the league. We need not look elsewhere in this area. Odom can play center when we go small. I really like what our bench looks like and the way they could mix with guys in the starting lineup. Jeffries is solid defender, individually and team-wise.
I don't feel at all like we should be looking to make too many changes in this offseason. I want us to develop chemistry. Bring in Odom, make a few smart draft picks, let guys get healthy and lets rock with what we have.
This is a good team.
Also, people like to say Melo isn't in great shape but I don't believe this is the case. He doesn't have to be ripped to be in top condition. Look at Iverson, not musular at all but could run all day. Look at tennis players.. None of those guys are muscle types, but they can run you. I can't recall one time this season that I saw Melo looking winded. He played big minutes while carrying the load during the latter part of the season. Melo just has a sort of Barkley body type. Was Barkley ever out of shape during his career? Melo is in his prime. Stop with the out of shape nonsense. He'll be fine.
We need a ..
25 ppg, 7 rbg, 4apg
.. type of season from Melo next year.
We need Lin to stay healthy and put up..
16 ppg, 8 apg, 3 rpg & 2 spg
We need Shumpert to stay healthy as well and put up..
17 ppg, 4 apg & 5 rpg
If Amare can average..
18 ppg, 9rpg & get 2 bpg
.. and stay healthy into the playoffs that will bode extremely well for us. Coach Woodson needs to monitor Amare's minutes throughout the season. He needs to treat him something like Popovich treats Duncan. Amare cannot hold up for a whole season playing 35 mpg anymore IMO.
Tyson just needs to be himself. He's our most consistent player on and off the court, the real backbone of our franchise.
10 ppg, 11 rpg and 3 bpg..
should do it.
Again, this squad is primed for a solid season next year if all of the above can stay healthy, develop chemistry and perform well in their roles next season.
I hope we don't make too many changes and I look forward to seeing them do battle under Woodson's guidance. Peace.
Last edited by ronoranina; May 30, 2012 at 18:44. Reason: typos
I totally agree, Amare is a concern as is Shump returning well from his surgery but I think we can be a top 4 seed for the play offs next season.
I doubt Shump will be available when the season starts, but if we can get a legit backup PG and some more players that can give us good production off the bench, i feel we will be in good shape.
-We will have a full training camp
-Woodson has time to make the offense work and, insert his different schemes for this team.
-Carmelo/Amare should have better chemistry (no more excuses) "Lockout" , "still rehabbing from back" , "NO PG", "New coach" etc etc no more excuses it's time to step up and be one of the top Teams in the NBA.
Last edited by NYk_Reloaded718; May 30, 2012 at 22:13.
Anthony- 26ppg, 8rpg, 4apg
Lin- 14ppg, 8apg
Stoudemire- 19ppg, 11rpg(wishful thinking), 2bpg(wishful thinking)
Chandler- 9ppg, 12rpg, 2bpg
Shumpert- 12ppg, 2.5spg
after those 5 I really dont know who'll be our 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th men but yeah I think we mesh fine. Woodson puts in a potent defensive gameplan and hopefully adds some unique offensive sets mainly Lin and Melo running pick n roll with STAT and Chandler and STAT and Melo posting up and getting to the line
50-32 is my goal
u right, with our star players being in their 2nd season together we should start next season off as a .600+ team.
This offseason we will find out how these new CBA rules affect our big $$$ spending Dolan.
C- Tyson Chandler (have to take over leadership of the team for Lin's sake)
PF- Amare Stoudemire (will he workout with the team in offseason)
SF- Carmelo Anthony (will he play team-ball, and stop pissin-off all his teammates)
SG- Landry Fields (a must resign)
PG- Jeremy Lin (a must resign)
Toney Douglas (will find his confidence on the next team, he's not a bum)
Iman Shumpert (out untill 2013-14 season)
??? (trade for Toney Douglas on draft night-Guard)
??? (draft pick-Guard)
??? (hopefully the MLE-Guard)
??? (summer league pickup-Guard)
??? (walking FA-Guard)
Shump is a concern for me. Yes, he's young, but he's proven to be rather weak below the thigh as we all know.
Lin's contract's structure plays in to our favor as far as he alone is concerned. I'm fully convinced that Colan will pay the 2nd tier luxury tax once it's implemented. On the flip-side of that situation however, the league holds our nuts in its hand as far as the ruling for or against players being picked up off of waivers goes in our favor.
That's massive for us.
I'd love to keep Novak, but he tends to only play best when other legitimate threats are on the floor, again adding to the mounting pressure of this facking league ruling, and also adding to the import of building a dependable second unit, starting at the 1. Extending Douglas' $2M contract was a spaz move, seriously, and we could have let him walk and add someone who can see peripherally.
How much does Jefferies have left in the tank?
Woody still has a lot of offensive trials ahead for the coming season. I wonder if he'll tweak his supporting cast to help get it done? As far as I know Darrell Walker is no offensive expert.
Absolutely. He made it abundantly clear in his speech at Chandler's DPOY award ceremony that defense will be the M.O, and Chandler will be the anchor of that.Again, this squad is primed for a solid season next year if all of the above can stay healthy, develop chemistry and perform well in their roles next season.
I hope we don't make too many changes and I look forward to seeing them do battle under Woodson's guidance.
Offensively, I think we all know what's required across the board, and it's encouraging to see that STAT and TC will be under Olajuwon's tutelage in the offseason. Melo will be playing team ball with USA, Lin is off to compete as a member of the select squad taking on the Olympians, Shump can only rest.
Thus far, they're the only guaranteed Knicks, IMO, for a season that is so, so f'ing far away!
2. Shumpert averaging 17ppg? Come on man your just reaching too far again.
3. His name is Tyson Chandler not Serge Ibaka. You need to realise just because you pumped up his stats from last year in your head, it's not a given he will achieve better this year.
Let's focus on more of a 'team' approach, not putting unrealistic expectations and individual player statistic requirements is a good way to keep unbiased and not dissapointed.
That roster and the projections are WAAAYYYY too optimistic. Not realistic at all. First of all, like others have said, you need to remove Shump. He's going to be out for most of next season. We'll get him back towards the end of the season, but he'll likely be doing limited minutes off the bench, or playing extremely rusty. He won't be back near his current level till 2013-2014. So you can forget about counting on him in 2012-2013. It's going to take him a year to heal, and another year to get his performance back, if he can. Novak may get a higher offer than we can match. Odom is not going to play for Vet. Min. with NY. He's using us to keep his name in the conversation and potentially drive up offers from other teams. We may even lose Landry Fields if other teams give him a higher offer than we can afford (we can't afford much if we have to stay under the apron to keep Lin). And assuming everyone is healthy and at peak condition is a HUGE assumption. And then you have to wonder about the basic spacing problems that means our guys may be incompatible. You've seen the trouble we've had fitting them all together. A training camp may fix that, or it may not, if the problem is fundamental in their play-styles. Next year is going to be a huge question mark. Too many questions looming, and we're going to lose a ton of depth from our bench. The original post is not realistic at all.
I think our starting 5 will be what we all expect. Directly after Woodson took over, we had those same starters for about 8 games. If I remember correctly, we won all those games (or 7/8) and in dominating fashion. Granted, our opponents weren't all that great but whatever it was nice to see everything flowing.
Our bench is something to worry about. JR Smith was our best player, but he was inconsistent. We need a good backup PG and a decent 3rd PG option because the way Lin plays, he could face a lot of injuries. Also, I don't like the idea of Odom being our go to big man on the bench. I don't want to hear excuses, he looked awful in Dallas. After resigning Lin, we need to focus on adding the RIGHT pieces to our bench.
It's partly about production though. I emphasized the need for chemistry and players to excel within their roles so it's not like I didn't touch on what's needed from a team perspective.
Listen noone thought Lin could put up numbers like he did, but here we all are knowing he can produce at a pretty good level.
Why can't Shumpert put up 17 ppg? Some people think he can be the next D Wade.. I really dont think my projections for what he can do are that unrealistic. Shumpert is a baller. He's gonna be good. When healthy he's gonna surprise some people. He could be better and do more than I've forcasted.
Re Chandler no one is saying anything is a given . But to me, the numbers I listed for him are totally reach/doable, easily.
Last edited by ronoranina; May 31, 2012 at 19:01.
This Knicks team could become loaded next season if the arbitrator rules in favor of the "Bird" rights for Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak....... This provides cap leeway to attain more star players. Not to mention taking the load off of Lin, Carmelo, and Chandler...... All we need is someone to get under LeBron's skin, and also a rebounder extraordinaire, and this team could really do something...... Especially if Lin and Shump continue to improve, and the lesser workload keeps the players healthy.
This is how I see the starting five doing next year:
Melo: 24ppg, 7rpg, 3apg
Amare: 18ppg, 8rpg, 1bpg
Lin: 16ppg, 7apg, 2spg
Shump: 14ppg, 5rpg, 3.5apg, 2.2spg
Chandler: 11ppg, 10rpg, 1.5bpg
These would be great, balanced numbers from our starting 5. If Shump can continue his adequate outside shooting (say, 32% from 3 or better), our starting 5 will be in great shape.
I think chemistry will improve significantly over the summer, even with Shump out for training camp - Melo and Amare will figure things out well enough. I expect Amare to rebound slightly, but don't think he'll ever be back to his previous mvp-contender levels. Having Woody back and this starting 5 will provide continuity and opportunity for increased chemistry, which are two of the things the Knicks need most.
The biggest question in my mind is who their bench will be. This will be largely decided by the arbitrator who will say whether Lin and Novak are entitled to "early bird rights". If he decides they are, this will free up the mid-level exception to sign JR or someone else. I think the priority is on a quality, pass-first point guard to back up Lin. We don't need Nash (nor can we afford him), but just a solid backup - there are a few out there, including Raymond Felton who I think would be great to have back.
IMO, Fields is the odd man out here. I like the guy, but I just don't think he's talented or clutch enough to pay him. I'd rather have JR and Novak backing up the SG and SF spots...
That really is in regard to Shump, who I believe tore his ACL for the 2nd time (not sure if its the same knee).
FYI- when ligaments stretch/rip or are torn, the likelihood of reoccurance is increased.
Shump showed potential in terms of filling a much needed hole- perimeter defense, and yet we still needed him to improve his outside shooting.
Without him being able to practice that; with Lins lack of ability to be a true contending team PG (crisp passing, decision making, putting up quality shots in the lane, and locking down when necessary); and with AMARE'S inability to stay healthy as the back injury flares up...
WE ARE DEAD MEAT. Not good, nor good enough. We are close yet so far. If someone NOT name Melo or Chandler ISN'T sacrificed by the deadline we will be dead. Its that simple.
Here's the formula (you compare what we have, had, or could get and decide):
1. A Knock-down shooter (able to create shots and take what the defense gives. His shots go in even with D, even when the entire building knows he's getting the rock. See Nowitzki, Bryant, Pierce)
2. A solid big/pg combo (CHAMPIONSHIP PG's make the right decisions, control the flow, get hot players the rock where hey want it, and knock down shots when needed. They also help their bigs by playing D. See Kidd, Rondo, Parker, and Fisher)
3. A solid bench that compliments the starters (Scoring boost, rebounding, defense... not as good as the starter but viable. See the ten past champion team's benches)
4. A solid coach (If D'Antoni was a genius what is Jackson, Pop, and Doc? See mad-rings)
5. Luck (Of course luck is involved but can't be relied upon. You could have all of te above and 1 major injury can sink a ship. They say luck is a byproduct of preparation. We shall see. I say do everything possible just in case luck isn't on our side.)
Now ask yourself... do you realy think we are close to the chip?