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Thread: Looks like there will be no "Linsanity Rule":Whats the going rate for Novak?

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    I'm totally cool with this roster. I would even add Deshaun Stevenson as another option at sg for the vet minimum.
    Thanks tried to keep it realistic i just cant see guys like Ray Allen or Nash coming to the knicks i mean its a chance they would, but Odom actually said he wants to be in New York and would like to return home, I know some people don't really want Odom, but this guy won 6th man of the year not to long ago we cant underestimate a Motivated Lamar Odom .and thumbs up on D.stevenson, if we couldn't get Danny Green he would be a nice option @ SG he can play defense as well, him or Anthony Parker would do as a fill in at least until shump comes back since he wont be available for the start of the season. we need some consistent respectable knock down shooters @ the SG position to help spread the floor. I dont think TD/Fields will cut it unless fields comes back shooting like he did as a rookie.

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    I do not believe that any player should be sacrificing pay just so Knicks or any team for that matter can retain them. Seriously? Why not ask the high paying stars to sacrifice? Why not give up $5 mil of their pay? It's nothing compared to what they are getting, right? No? So much for being selfless. What's with this double-standard?

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    Originally Posted by LV&C
    I do not believe that any player should be sacrificing pay just so Knicks or any team for that matter can retain them. Seriously? Why not ask the high paying stars to sacrifice? Why not give up $5 mil of their pay? It's nothing compared to what they are getting, right? No? So much for being selfless. What's with this double-standard?
    I agree, but i don't think the new CBA allows them to reconstruct their contract. I may be wrong i'm not sure they can though, i wish it was that easy.

    To be honest their is no reason our 3 stars cant make it work this season, but IMO if things don't look smooth i think we should really consider a trade at the deadline.
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    Originally Posted by LV&C
    I do not believe that any player should be sacrificing pay just so Knicks or any team for that matter can retain them. Seriously? Why not ask the high paying stars to sacrifice? Why not give up $5 mil of their pay? It's nothing compared to what they are getting, right? No? So much for being selfless. What's with this double-standard?
    NO, they CANNOT restructure their contracts, only Tyson Chandler can as his contract was made following the new CBA. He deserve's every penny he gets though.


    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    Novak can be replaced, i would HATE to lose such a lethal 3 point shooter, but the guy can still be replaced.

    IF WE WIN THE CASE and are able to resign Novak and Lin easily....i would go this route in the off-season

    -Sign Danny green--Bi -Annual exception?(probably can get more money elsewhere but oh well worth a shot.<-- easily replaces Fields

    -Sign Odom--MLE <--- Can play multiple positions, can guard multiple positions and can make plays...........OR sign Nash to the MLE (odom is more realistic)

    sign-Reggie Evans <--- Amare's backup, can bring defensive intensity and rebounding off the bench.


    sign- Derrick fisher
    -<--- decent vet pg coming off the bench in our price range, not your IDEAL PG off the bench but the guy still has mileage left and can still knock down the open shot, we dont need a flashy PG off the bench just somebody who will keep the game in order and control the pace.

    Resign Jeffries- <--- a fully healthy Jeffries can spot some mins off the bench for Chandler as well as bring the defensive intensity and energy.

    Draft-- best PG available when our pick comes, for even more pg depth.

    your looking at a lineup of

    Lin,Fisher,48th pick
    Danny Green,Shump,TD
    Melo,Odom,Novak
    Amare,Reggie evans,Jorts
    Chandler/Jeffries/Jorts

    ^15 man roster one of the deepest teams in the league.. each player off the bench plays a role and we can switch up our lineups consistently to keep the defense on their heels.

    More rebounding, More defense, updated backcourt, and more weapons
    This looks great, however I doubt in reality we win the bird rights case and I'm pretty sure the Clippers will snap Evans back up promptly. I read somewhere that Kenyon Martin won't be extended by the Clippers so if Odom doesn't pan out I'd like to see him get our Bi-Annual in front of Novak. He could be a solid backup centre and is a very versatile defender. Can you imagine the defensive force that would be Mobb Deep if we had JJ, KMART and Shump (once recovered) on the court.

    In my view Nash, Allen & Camby are pipe dreams but I'm hopeful Odom is a serious possibility. The return of:
    Lin
    Fields
    Jeffries
    JR Smith (50/50)

    And possible addition of:
    Backup PG (Draft/Vet)
    SG Option (Stevenson/Parker/Bogans)
    Odom?
    Backup Centre
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    Will set us up nicely for next season.

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    Originally Posted by 21 Shump Street
    NO, they CANNOT restructure their contracts, only Tyson Chandler can as his contract was made following the new CBA. He deserve's every penny he gets though.
    By working with Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and, perhaps, Chandler to restructure their contracts through a provision included in the new collective bargaining agreement, which was ratified and approved on Thursday.

    According to a memo from NBPA executive director Billy Hunter, which was obtained by ESPN.com, "players may engage in renegotiation and extension, but the players' salary cannot decline by more than 40 percent."

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    Originally Posted by YuvalNYC
    By working with Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and, perhaps, Chandler to restructure their contracts through a provision included in the new collective bargaining agreement, which was ratified and approved on Thursday.

    According to a memo from NBPA executive director Billy Hunter, which was obtained by ESPN.com, "players may engage in renegotiation and extension, but the players' salary cannot decline by more than 40 percent."
    That's only for teams under the cap.

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    Originally Posted by knickscity
    That's only for teams under the cap.

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    Plus players can't renegotiate until after the 3rd year of their contracts and you can't lower your salary to create cap space. Below are the 2011 rules for renegotiation.

    A contract for four or more seasons can be renegotiated after the third anniversary of its signing, extension, or previous renegotiation (if the previous negotiation increased any season's salary by more than 4.5%). Contracts for fewer than four seasons cannot be renegotiated. A contract cannot be renegotiated between March 1 and June 30 of any year.
    Only teams under the cap can renegotiate a contract, and the salary in the then-current season can be increased only to the extent that the team has room under the cap (and cannot increase the player's salary beyond the maximum salary). A renegotiation can only be used to provide a salary increase -- players can't take a "pay cut" in order to create more cap room for the team.
    If the player agrees to waive a portion of his trade bonus in order to facilitate a trade (see question number [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]), his contract may not be renegotiated for six months following the trade.
    Every category of compensation (base salary, likely bonuses, and unlikely bonuses) that are increased in the renegotiated season must also increase in all subsequent seasons of the contract. Raises (and decreases) in subsequent seasons are limited to 7.5% of the salary in the first renegotiated season.
    A renegotiated contract can be extended simultaneously (see question number [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]). If a player's contract is extended and renegotiated simultaneously in this manner, his salary may not decrease by more than 40% from the last season before the extension (after it is renegotiated) to the first season of the extension. For example, if the salary in the last season of a contract is renegotiated to $10 million and the contract is simultaneously extended, the salary in the first season of the extension cannot be less than $6 million.
    Other rules for renegotiations:

    • A signing bonus cannot accompany a renegotiation unless the contract is extended simultaneously (see question number [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]).
    • A rookie scale contract (see question number [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) cannot be renegotiated.
    • A contract cannot be renegotiated in conjunction with a trade.


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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    Plus players can't renegotiate until after the 3rd year of their contracts and you can't lower your salary to create cap space. Below are the 2011 rules for renegotiation.

    A contract for four or more seasons can be renegotiated after the third anniversary of its signing, extension, or previous renegotiation (if the previous negotiation increased any season's salary by more than 4.5%). Contracts for fewer than four seasons cannot be renegotiated. A contract cannot be renegotiated between March 1 and June 30 of any year.
    Only teams under the cap can renegotiate a contract, and the salary in the then-current season can be increased only to the extent that the team has room under the cap (and cannot increase the player's salary beyond the maximum salary). A renegotiation can only be used to provide a salary increase -- players can't take a "pay cut" in order to create more cap room for the team.
    If the player agrees to waive a portion of his trade bonus in order to facilitate a trade (see question number [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]), his contract may not be renegotiated for six months following the trade.
    Every category of compensation (base salary, likely bonuses, and unlikely bonuses) that are increased in the renegotiated season must also increase in all subsequent seasons of the contract. Raises (and decreases) in subsequent seasons are limited to 7.5% of the salary in the first renegotiated season.
    A renegotiated contract can be extended simultaneously (see question number [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]). If a player's contract is extended and renegotiated simultaneously in this manner, his salary may not decrease by more than 40% from the last season before the extension (after it is renegotiated) to the first season of the extension. For example, if the salary in the last season of a contract is renegotiated to $10 million and the contract is simultaneously extended, the salary in the first season of the extension cannot be less than $6 million.
    Other rules for renegotiations:

    • A signing bonus cannot accompany a renegotiation unless the contract is extended simultaneously (see question number [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]).
    • A rookie scale contract (see question number [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) cannot be renegotiated.
    • A contract cannot be renegotiated in conjunction with a trade.


    The bold is the key, which is what I put in my post.

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