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    I don't know how reliable this site is but they have the Knicks top choices as being amongst either OJ Mayo, Jason Terry, or Ray Allen. OJ Mayo probably would be good to have in the long term, however he is restricted. In this new CBA however he could very likely end up only making about 3 million since his production has fallen off. As for Jason Terry if the Mav's let him walk (IE if they get Deron Williams) I would be surprised if he isn't offered more than the 3 Million, then again he is not that much different than Jamal Crawford game wise and he is a $3 million dollar player in this new CBA.

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    In all likelihood though signs point to the list just being a combination of smoke screen and covering basis as the Knicks go about trying to get Ray Allen to come to NY (do not underestimate the power of Spike Lee to charm players to come to NY and he is cool with Allen). The article says its between the Heat, Bulls, and Knicks. I think we have one up on the Bulls since next year Rose is gone for the majority of the season. So it comes down to the Heat and the Knicks.

    With that said I think the Knicks would be the best move for him. On the heat he would be a lot lower on the depth chart than in NY. Landry could see more minutes at the 3 behind Melo and with Shump out until Jan the majority of minutes at the 2 would be between him and JR. Whereas he would have to play behind Wade/Battier for his minutes.

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    Originally Posted by Wargames
    I don't know how reliable this site is but they have the Knicks top choices as being amongst either OJ Mayo, Jason Terry, or Ray Allen. OJ Mayo probably would be good to have in the long term, however he is restricted. In this new CBA however he could very likely end up only making about 3 million since his production has fallen off. As for Jason Terry if the Mav's let him walk (IE if they get Deron Williams) I would be surprised if he isn't offered more than the 3 Million, then again he is not that much different than Jamal Crawford game wise and he is a $3 million dollar player in this new CBA.

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    In all likelihood though signs point to the list just being a combination of smoke screen and covering basis as the Knicks go about trying to get Ray Allen to come to NY (do not underestimate the power of Spike Lee to charm players to come to NY and he is cool with Allen). The article says its between the Heat, Bulls, and Knicks. I think we have one up on the Bulls since next year Rose is gone for the majority of the season. So it comes down to the Heat and the Knicks.

    With that said I think the Knicks would be the best move for him. On the heat he would be a lot lower on the depth chart than in NY. Landry could see more minutes at the 3 behind Melo and with Shump out until Jan the majority of minutes at the 2 would be between him and JR. Whereas he would have to play behind Wade/Battier for his minutes.
    i was reading up on this yesterday it's reliable site, it's just our "wish list" though. It seems like we are targeting a SG with the MLE come free agency time, which is a smart move since Shump probably wont be available until February the latest.

    OJ Mayo took me by surprise he would be a interesting pickup i highly doubt we can afford him though, same for jason terry i think they'll be looking for more money. I believe J.Terry already expressed his desire to be paid more (hint wanted long term deal with mavericks or he said he's gone.)

    ray allen is probably the most realistic option for the Knicks, his options are heat, Knicks and Bulls.. with rose being out majority of the season i cant really see him going to the bulls

    Ray allen in a heat uniform i really cant picture that one unless he desperately wants another ring, he's a big upgrade over miller off the bench but is that what ray allen really wants to do? playing limited amount of time behind Dwayne wade?.

    I would think the Knicks are the front runners for Ray allen, We can guarantee him a starting Job at the SG position and + ray and spike lee are cool with each other, i cant say were closer to getting a championship than the heat or bulls because were realistically not until we prove we can dominate games no matter who we play, but adding Ray allen i think would put us over top, thats all this team really needs is a consistent knock down threat at the SG position that spreads the floor for us and who better than ray allen? this gives Melo more room to operate and gives more room for lin to operate. Novak + Ray allen?? No reason in hell we shouldn't have the best 3 point percentage in the NBA.

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    Originally Posted by 21 Shump Street
    I read somewhere that Lamar Odom has begun to have talks with the Clippers about contract negotiations, so he may be an unrealistic target. Personally I think if we can nab a back up PG for the MLE (more on that soon), we use our Bi-Annual on Kenyon Martin.

    Apparently it didn't work out too well for him in Clipperland and he may not be returning, Clippers will also probably prefer to sign Reggie Evans for cheaper. He would be a great backup for Amare and would turn our frontcourt into a defensive force all over. He is a very versatile defender and will rebound & hustle his heart out, he could also see minutes as the back up C.

    On the point guard front I think we need to realise Nash isn't going to come for the 3 Million, Kidd should be our main target. He fits this team much better and doesn't need the offense to run through him to be effective. Andre Miller will probably fetch more money elsewhere so I think we could use Felton as our Plan B backup pg.
    Agreed, I would be down for both KMart & J Kidd if we can't land Nash & Ray Allen. We need to add some toughness to this team & Kidd is still a very good orchestrator & can knock down an open 3. He's also open to playing backup to Jeremy Lin, something I highly doubt Steve Nash is open to.

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    Default Not Raymond Felton

    The one guy I do not want is Raymond Felton.

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    Originally Posted by Oldtimer
    The one guy I do not want is Raymond Felton.
    Me either. I loved him as a Knick because he brought it every night during his short stint, but he was a mess in Portland. I don't think he'd come back to play second fiddle anyway.

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    Originally Posted by Crazy⑧s
    Me either. I loved him as a Knick because he brought it every night during his short stint, but he was a mess in Portland. I don't think he'd come back to play second fiddle anyway.
    +1 he played his a$$ off for us at an allstar level during his time as a knick & you never know he may come back we are on his radar

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    then again... everyone has us on their radar right
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    Allen Iverson

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    #1 Getting Stat to post n play more defense instead bashing Twitter Followers..

    #2...Sign Combo Guards that can defend n handle the ball... Houston's Lee 6-6 defender Combo Guard... ...Spurs Green...

    #3..another big Body to play defense...Reggie Evans Camby

    #4 ..NOt overpay Lin and have Veteran back up that may need to start...NAsh is a last resort...Felton or Flynn.

    #5..Don't sign Novak.. maybe Jr Smith but with Caution...Ray Allen would be more sense coming off the bench but has old legs...could better 6th man...

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    Update****

    Reports are coming out that Ray Allen may favor the Heat. They could amnesty Mike Miller and give Ray Allen the 3 Million. However if they knicks are pushing the cap boundaries so are the Heat and their owner may not be as readily a spender and Dolan so thats in the air.

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    Also Randy Foye has expressed interest in coming to the knicks as a Guard. This makes a lot of sense considering the current bottleneck at G that the clippers have and Foye already knows his role as a back up G and had the 2nd highest 3pt % last season.

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    I am ok with Randy Foye over Ray Allen, he's not as good as Allen but he is younger than Allen and would likely fit in better since he can help bolster both guard positions with limited minutes at PG and minutes at SG as well.
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    Originally Posted by Wargames
    Update****

    Reports are coming out that Ray Allen may favor the Heat. They could amnesty Mike Miller and give Ray Allen the 3 Million. However if they knicks are pushing the cap boundaries so are the Heat and their owner may not be as readily a spender and Dolan so thats in the air.

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    Also Randy Foye has expressed interest in coming to the knicks as a Guard. This makes a lot of sense considering the current bottleneck at G that the clippers have and Foye already knows his role as a back up G and had the 2nd highest 3pt % last season.

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    I am ok with Randy Foye over Ray Allen, he's not as good as Allen but he is younger than Allen and would likely fit in better since he can help bolster both guard positions with limited minutes at PG and minutes at SG as well.
    I wouldn't mind foye he could shine in this system he can play the 2 or the 1 and give us much needed depth in both those areas, i see him as a poor mans OJ Mayo.

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    if the heat amnestied miller, wouldn't he be a better option? Miller is the one guy i wouldn't mind moving to NY from MIA.

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    Originally Posted by p0nder
    if the heat amnestied miller, wouldn't he be a better option? Miller is the one guy i wouldn't mind moving to NY from MIA.
    Rather pass he has to many injury problems and we cant afford anymore injuries at 2 guard position. We need to try and stay healthy

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    We need good 3 point shooters who can move around picks and get open. You look at the heat, a major part of their success is because they have shooters who can knock down 3 pointers consistently and they can rotate them around. This was one thing that OKC was lacking and it cost them the championship in my opinion. Harden aside, the other guys couldn't knock down shots when Durant/Westbrook were getting double teamed.

    Right now our only consistent shooter is Novak but he's the only one. Melo can shoot as well but he's our Lebron so he's the guy going into the paint and kicking out. I'm iffy about JR bc he has flashes of brilliance in offense and his defense isn't bad but I don't know how dedicated he is to winning.

    I would take Jesus Shuttlesworth or OJ Mayo any day of the week if they came. I would also consider Billups but I doubt he wants to come back after how we dogged him plus he's probably gonna resign with the Clippers.

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    The Knicks are effectively locked out of free agency until the Lin appeal is decided. Chris Sheridan of ESPN wrote this that the Knicks should file an injunction freezing free agency until the appeal is decided. Stern wants to be a dick, we should be also.


    NEW YORK — Free agency opens in less than a week, unless the New York Knicks go to court to halt it.
    Is that really possible?
    Well, nothing can be ruled out with the Knicks sitting in a state of limbo after the NBA said it would appeal an arbitrator’s decision granting full Bird rights to Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak (along with J.J. Hickson of the Portland Trail Blazers and Chauncey Billups of the Los Angeles Clippers.)
    If the ruling stands, the Knicks can match any offer to Lin (a restricted free agent) and Novak (an unrestricted free agent) and still retain their mid-level exception to go after whoever else they want to pursue (Steve Nash? Jason Kidd?). If the ruling is overturned on appeal, the Knicks are certain to lose Novak, and they would not be able to pursue a mid-level veteran point guard to play with Lin — who they insist they plan to retain.
    So here’s the biggest part of the problem, time-wise.
    Under NBA collective bargaining rules, when one side wants to appeal an arbitrator’s decision, the procedure is to have the league office and the union agree on the members of a three-person appeals panel, for that body to hold a hearing on the appeal, and then issue a ruling within 20 days.


    But it could literally takes months for that process to unfold.

    So with the Lin/Novak case in limbo, the Knicks are in limbo, too — and at an unfair disadvantage in free agency because they are unsure what rules they will be operating under.
    If midnight of June 30 approaches and there is still no clarity, one of the Knicks’ options would be to seek a temporary restraining order halting ALL teams from negotiating with free agents.
    Will it come to that?
    There is already talk that a settlement might be reached, but that talk is speculative. And remember, there is still a lot of bad blood between the attorneys for both sides after last year’s 149-day lockout, and these guys aren’t exactly known for working out their differences in a timely manner.
    Something to keep an eye on over the rest of this week, because it could throw a giant monkey wrench into the entire free agent process.

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    Complete BS. Are other NBA owners complaining about this or is it just David Stern and his sleazebag cronies?

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