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    Good news, everyone! [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], the NBA has dropped its appeal of arbitrator Kenneth Dam’s ruling that waived players (cough….LinandNovak….cough) retain their Bird Rights when they are claimed off waivers. Marc Berman quotes a league source as expecting the matter to be settled by Sunday, which would mean that Lin and Novak would enter into free agency on time and with their Bird Rights in tact. I have no idea what the settlement will entail. I’m certain there are remaining unsettled issues that the NBPA will happily negotiate away to ensure their victory won’t be overturned and avoid the appellate quagmire that would cast an enormous penumbra of doubt on the beginning of free agency. But ultimately, none of that matters at all because the bottom line is that the Knicks will be able to re-sign Novak, Lin, and probably Landry Fields without having to use their Mid-Level Exception. This will be the first time in about a decade that the Knicks will be able to return a somewhat promising team almost entirely in tact. The continuity is staggering for a fanbase that has grown accustomed to more churn than the Amish. Maybe it’s because I’m a cap-nerd lawyer, but this is literally the most unmitigated good news in recent memory for me as a Knicks fan. Even the Stoudemire signing (huge, uninsurable contract), Melo trade (gave up a LOT of assets), and Chandler acquisition (used the amnesty provision on Billups’ expiring deal) came with gigantic costs and caveats. This is just pure, unadulterated, uncut goodness. Enjoy it.
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    Even the Stoudemire signing (huge, uninsurable contract), Melo trade (gave up a LOT of assets), and Chandler acquisition (used the amnesty provision on Billups’ expiring deal) came with gigantic costs and caveats. This is just pure, unadulterated, uncut goodness.
    And exceptional luck.

    LOVING IT!

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    Huge break because we didn't get any help from the draft.

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    ^ We did get plenty of help from the draft, that free roster spot we kept by drafting Papanikolaou is worth more than most of you think. We've got 5 players under contracts, 2 with team option, 4 with Bird rights and 4 free agents. I assume that within the first couple days after FA opened we'll have 12 out of 15 spots locked:
    Anthony, Bibby, Chandler, Douglas, Fields, Harrellson, Jeffries, Lin, Novak, Shumpert, Smith and Stoudemire.
    That leaves us with just three roster spots to fill all our needs. Let's say we sign Foye with our taxpayer MLE and then a backup PG with the bi-annual exception (maybe some sign and trade involving Gadzurić, Jordan and Papa's draft rights?), 14 spots covered. Next we add a vet on a favorable position and that's it. I don't see any player that we could use with our #48 pick.

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    ^ We did get plenty of help from the draft, that free roster spot we kept by drafting Papanikolaou is worth more than most of you think. We've got 5 players under contracts, 2 with team option, 4 with Bird rights and 4 free agents. I assume that within the first couple days after FA opened we'll have 12 out of 15 spots locked:
    Anthony, Bibby, Chandler, Douglas, Fields, Harrellson, Jeffries, Lin, Novak, Shumpert, Smith and Stoudemire.
    That leaves us with just three roster spots to fill all our needs. Let's say we sign Foye with our taxpayer MLE and then a backup PG with the bi-annual exception (maybe some sign and trade involving Gadzurić, Jordan and Papa's draft rights?), 14 spots covered. Next we add a vet on a favorable position and that's it. I don't see any player that we could use with our #48 pick.
    Bibby MIGHT come back because he played fairly well at the end of the year into the playoffs but he sure is not a lock by any means.
    Douglas might be traded

    We could have used our 48th pick on Scott Machado so we dont have to rely on Douglas or Bibby if someone got hurt.

    We need depth at the PG position and we should have drafted Machado or Johnson Odom just in case.

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    ^ Bibby's Woodson's guy, he's almost a lock.

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    Originally Posted by gmf1369
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    Targets in order for Mid level exception, should they choose to accept it:

    Nash
    Allen
    Miller
    Mayo
    Kidd
    Foye
    Hickson
    Felton - if he will sign for 3 mil...i dont think he is worth 5 mil

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    Actually I was wondering if the knicks let jordan, and gadzuric walk and then pay someone to take Toney off the books (for 3 million in cash) could they in theory give a full MLE to a player? O.J. Mayo didn't get a qualifying offer from the grizzlies.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    Targets in order for Mid level exception, should they choose to accept it:

    Nash - Not going to happen period.
    Allen - Lock to Miami everyone says
    Miller - My favourite, but will be back at Denver for more money
    Mayo - Will get much higher offers from others teams
    Kidd - Plausible, hates Avery Johnson so may not follow D-Will
    Foye - Probably will get it, solid 3pt shooter and back up PG
    Hickson - Intruiging, may be back in the Rose Garden
    Felton - if he will sign for 3 mil...i dont think he is worth 5 mil
    Sorry to be Johnny Rain Cloud but just being realistic.

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    Originally Posted by 21 Shump Street
    Sorry to be Johnny Rain Cloud but just being realistic.
    after doing more research in the asking prices, you are right

    Most realistic options on that list are Kidd and Foye

    Yet I think Kidd can be had maybe for mini mid level at 1.9 mil, hopefully

    We can also look at Grant Hill, or some other cheap PG

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    after doing more research in the asking prices, you are right

    Most realistic options on that list are Kidd and Foye

    Yet I think Kidd can be had maybe for mini mid level at 1.9 mil, hopefully

    We can also look at Grant Hill, or some other cheap PG
    Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, Raymond Felton and Jameer Nelson will all probably command more than $3M. Well maybe not Felton. I can see us getting Felton back and that's about it.

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    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, Raymond Felton and Jameer Nelson will all probably command more than $3M. Well maybe not Felton. I can see us getting Felton back and that's about it.
    this is exactly why we needed to draft a PG like Scott Machado or Darius Johnson Odom

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    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, Raymond Felton and Jameer Nelson will all probably command more than $3M. Well maybe not Felton. I can see us getting Felton back and that's about it.
    Raymond Felton would be lucky to get a 3 Million dollar offer now. He had some buzz before he had that one really good Half season playing in the D'antoni system in NY. He then went to the Nuggets who rather have Ty Lawson start and Andre Miller as a backup than him. In Portland he then came in out of shape and became (arguably undeserved) their teams whipping boy for the fans and the media.

    If Felton was smart he would get in some shape and then come to NY for a one year vet minimum to back up Lin and use all the minutes he can to show he deserves a better contract in the 2013-2014 season from a team looking for a solid PG. He could maybe get that mojo back with Amare and the fact that he can play like a gunner when he gets in the mode would be great since it would mean another weapon on mobb deep.

    OJ Mayo/Raymond Felton should be the goal this offseason. Move TD and offer mayo the full MLE and then promise Felton regular minutes to do his thing as a back up to Lin and maybe offer him a 1 year player option.

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    Originally Posted by KingofNy
    Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, Raymond Felton and Jameer Nelson will all probably command more than $3M. Well maybe not Felton. I can see us getting Felton back and that's about it.
    The Knicks can spend the full MLE but that puts them above the apron with a hard cap meaning you can't sign anyone not even with vet min contracts. And you would be hurting if one or two guys went down and you couldn't sign anyone.

    JKidd I think can be had for 3M which is plenty for a guy that says he can't play 35 mins anymore.

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    Jun 29, 2012 8:37 PM EDT
    The NBA announced that it has reached a settlement agreement with the NBA Players Association of the recent arbitration proceeding filed on behalf of Chauncey Billups, J.J. Hickson, Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak.

    Under the settlement, the union agreed to limit the scope of the ruling by arbitrator Kenneth Dam in exchange for the league's agreement to drop its appeal. The rule will now be that players who are claimed from waivers will have the same "Early Bird" rights as if they had been traded, but will not have full "Bird" rights unless they are claimed through the league's amnesty procedure.

    Below are the players on whose behalf the arbitration proceeding was brought and their status when free agency opens on July 1:

    Chauncey Billups - Bird
    J.J. Hickson - Bird
    Jeremy Lin - Early Bird
    Steve Novak - Early Bird

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    OK someone splain to me the difference between Bird and Early Bird and what this means to the Knicks re JLin and Novakaine. thankyou.

    and don't be starting a new thread, dammit!

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