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Thread: Lin apparently signed $40M offer sheet from Houston. NY have 3 days to match

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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    I can see the Rockets throwing him some outrageous ridiculous contract
    Probably a backloaded contract much like the one they offered Asik.

    It comes down to a choice of dishing out 36 mil/3 years for Nash or 25mil/3 years for Lin.

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    Why would Houston do that to Goran? ****, if they don't want him...we can work some sort of deal out.

    The Dragon is legit.

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    Other teams know precisely what the Knicks can offer Lin in the absence of an offer from another team. It follows that any team desiring Lin will offer him a better contract, i.e., a backloaded contract that in two years time will put the Knicks in signifiicant luxury tax mode. If Fields can get a three year backloaded contract worth almost $20M, Lin is likely to be offered a better contract. How much better - who knows? I would think $40M is too much, but I could never have imagined almost $20M for Fields, considering, particularly, that unrestricted free agents such as Mayo and Beasley would likely take considerably less.

    Dolan has been willing to pay luxury taxes in the past. To what extent will another team risk paying Lin an unwarranted premium just to cause luxury tax problems for the Knicks? No team should do that because it will not help that team and it would risk having to pay Lin more than he is believed to be worth if the offer is not matched.

    It would seem to me that the Rockets, or any other team, will not offer Lin more than they believe he is worth. As a player, Lin had an excellent short term run in the D'Antoni system, but that system made the likes of Duhon and Fats Felton look good. Lin show some promise, but a guaranteed $40M looks like too much. As far as marketing type income that will follow Lin is concerned, it is unclear to me how much of it goes to the team rather than Lin personally.

    It is unlikely, to say the least, that the Knicks will match the offer to Fields and I am not particularly heartbroken if it scuttles our efforts to get Nash. Berman suggests it would cost us Shumpert to get Nash and says it as if it might be part of discussions with Phoenix. Berman is an idiot whose comments often have no actual support. If we were to give up Shumpert for the sake of overpaying the 38 year old Nash with a three year contract, I will give up on the Knicks. I would rather have Kidd or Prigioni.

    Although the Toronto offer to Fields appears to have been designed to to keep us out of the Nash market, I would watch out for Toronto in the Lin market. Toronto has a huge Asian community. There is chemistry, friendship and apparent devout Christianity between Lin and Fields. Perhaps Toronto's overpriced offer to Fields had alternative objectives.

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    Soo, that link takes you to a 404 error page, so I'm calling bull**** on this until I start to see Knicks beat writers report on it.

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    I would call Houston's bluff on the Lin offer sheet (if they extend one today), and talk to Goran and his people about a sign and trade.

    He played his way from out under Kyle Lowry, to the point they're most likely going to move him, to make way for Goran to start. Except now they want Lin? Goran is not coming off the bench again, and you can't bring Lin off the bench...that has global ramifications.

    So if I were Glen, I'd be on the phone right now with Goran and his people (who are no closer to a new deal, they're still apparently a ways apart) and plant those seeds of subterfuge right now.

    Turn Goran on the Rockets. He's already turned down one deal, and he's looking at the Mavs now.

    Houston wants to offer Lin a deal that would catapult us into deep luxury tax territory in the future, if we match? Ok.

    Kyle already doesn't like McHale and seemingly wants out, Goran is exploring the market and isn't running back to Houston....sign and trade, switch PGs, you want Lin @ $40M? You can have Lin @ $40M.

    Give us The Dragon.

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    Originally Posted by Sage
    Soo, that link takes you to a 404 error page, so I'm calling bull**** on this until I start to see Knicks beat writers report on it.

    If the Knicks are willing to do anything to keep Jeremy Lin, they’re about to get the chance to prove it.

    Lin will meet with the Houston Rockets Wednesday and could sign an offer sheet worth close to $40 million. The Knicks, who will have the option to match any offer Lin agrees to, still believe they have a chance to keep Lin and add Steve Nash.


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    Obviously it's not a done deal, there has been no offer as of this minute (as far as I know). But seeing as how they're having trouble re-signing Goran, and Kyle isn't exactly happy; plus, with the way it affects the Knicks' books in the near future, if we match, I would not be shocked if they did offer it today.

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    i guess all we can hope is that Lin is worth that much $$....we already have bloated contracts with Amar'e and Melo....i wouldn't had paid more then $15 mil for either, but that water under the bridge (and Melo is worth more the Amar'e, no doubt...)

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    Man...I can see a bit of a mistake on the horizon. I'm a Knicks fan, I have nothing against Lin....I was cheering for the dude watching tv & at the Garden. But a close to $40M contract, that puts the Knicks into the luxury 'super' tax, where operating $5 million over the threshold could cost the team $15-20M alone?

    Are we sure, that he's even close to being that sure a thing? Realistically speaking. Because if the Knicks cross that threshold and go into the super tax territory (when it kicks in) we can't cry foul about what happened in the summer of 2012.

    I don't know if Lin is the gamble I'd make.

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    Why are we still talking about the 40 mil contract? It is just a rumor. OTOH, if Houston does offer Lin 40 mil, let them have Lin.

    As for Goran Dragic, he is a highly sought after FA now that DWill is off the market. I wouldn't be surprised if he asks for 40 million for 4 years.

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    Originally Posted by petescud
    i guess all we can hope is that Lin is worth that much $$....we already have bloated contracts with Amar'e and Melo....i wouldn't had paid more then $15 mil for either, but that water under the bridge (and Melo is worth more the Amar'e, no doubt...)
    I think, based on that 10-game run, that Lin is worth 40million. At the same time, my only concern with Lin is how he will be hold up with the health.

    It seems we're all caught up on whether or not Lin, in a vacuum, is worth 40m$, and I think he is because the guy is a legit baller. But outside of the vacuum, where we have to consider things like injuries, this is where my concern is. I'd like to see him play a full season and see how he holds up.

    That's another thing about Landry, a little off topic here, but Landry played the full 82 and full 66 without missing a game. That's a durable player.

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    Originally Posted by VeryGundy
    Why are we still talking about the 40 mil contract? It is just a rumor. OTOH, if Houston does offer Lin 40 mil, let them have Lin.

    As for Goran Dragic, he is a highly sought after FA now that DWill is off the market. I wouldn't be surprised if he asks for 40 million for 4 years.
    But that would be based on his basketball potential, and not the potential skrilla his presence on a starting roster would generate. But I'm not completely objective on Goran, cause I was high on him the year after he was darted, even got into arguments on here about how he looked more consistent and like a better pro than Gallo did at that point, and all he needed was mins.

    So, I admit that my viewpoint is a little skewed on whether or not he's worth 40 million. But I wouldn't have a problem taking that gamble. The Knicks would need his help tho, since that money would have to come by way of Lin's Bird rights, and then a trade. We can't just let Lin go, we have his Bird Exception, which is an asset. Assets are hugely important to teams with very little wiggle room with the cap situation.

    The amount & term of the offer sheet is a rumor, but the meeting isn't.

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    Knicks will match ANY offer

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    Originally Posted by orangeblobman
    I think, based on that 10-game run, that Lin is worth 40million. At the same time, my only concern with Lin is how he will be hold up with the health.

    It seems we're all caught up on whether or not Lin, in a vacuum, is worth 40m$, and I think he is because the guy is a legit baller. But outside of the vacuum, where we have to consider things like injuries, this is where my concern is. I'd like to see him play a full season and see how he holds up.

    That's another thing about Landry, a little off topic here, but Landry played the full 82 and full 66 without missing a game. That's a durable player.
    The 10 game run in D'Antoni's system? Or the run when the Knicks were 7-1(?) under Woody, when Mike left?

    If you're talking about Lin's poise, confidence, athleticism, etc. when under MDA, fine. But Duhon and Felton will tell you that you have to throw everything else out.

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    This whole talk of Lin putting the Knicks into the luxury tax zone in a couple years as a deterrent to re-signing him (at any cost) for Dolan is crazy. Lin's value to the Knicks and the markets he offers them far exceed any luxury tax hit the Knicks would have to take. Beyond that, Dolan could care less about us being screwed in a few years from a salary cap standpoint.

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    Originally Posted by Crazy⑧s
    The Rockets have come to terms with Jeremy Lin on an offer sheet. Specific terms of the deal have not been released. As of July 11th, the Knicks will have 3 days to match offer.

    New York Knicks restricted free agent point guard Jeremy Lin will visit the Houston Rockets on Wednesday, according to ESPN.

    The report indicates that Houston can make a 4-year, $40 million contract offer to Lin where the final 2 years would be worth $15 million per season.

    Ironically, the Rockets had waived Lin at the end of training camp in December to make room on the roster for Samuel Dalembert. He subsequently joined the Knicks and became an instant phenomenon, averaging 14.6 points and 6.4 assists in 35 contests last season.


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