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    Default Carmelo Responds to JOE!

    Joe Johnson said Friday the Brooklyn Nets are the best NBA team in New York City.

    New York Knicks small forward Carmelo Anthony's response?


    We'll see about that.

    "I hear they're talking trash, but we'll be ready for the challenge," Anthony told ESPNDeportes.com's Marly Rivera at an event in Washington D.C. "I haven't looked at the schedule, but when that game happens, we will be ready."

    On Friday, Johnson, who earlier this month was acquired by the Nets in a blockbuster trade with the Atlanta Hawks, was asked which New York City team is better.

    "The Nets. Definitely, the Nets," he said.

    The Knicks always have been New York's basketball team, but the Nets believe they have a chance to take over the city after an offseason in which they've added Johnson, Bosnian stretch forward Mirza Teletovic and rugged rebounder Reggie Evans to a re-signed core of Deron Williams, Brook Lopez and Gerald Wallace.



    The Knicks, who made the playoffs last season before losing to the Miami Heat in the first round, re-signed J.R. Smith, brought in veterans Marcus Camby and Jason Kidd, and are weighing matching an offer sheet by the Toronto Raptors to Landry Fields.



    They are expected to match the Houston Rockets' offer sheet to Jeremy Lin, although the Knicks have yet to receive that offer sheet from the Rockets, a source told ESPNNewYork.com's Ian Begley.

    Williams and Anthony are teammates on the U.S. Olympic team, which will take on Brazil on Monday night in an exhibition game at the Verizon Center in Washington before it leaves for the London Games.

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    This is how good Lin is.....with Lin we are better than the Nets....without Lin they are better

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    hopefully them moving to brooklyn create a lot better rivalry with them

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    Nets fans think they have the best starting 5 in the league....... LOL

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    Originally Posted by knickerbocka176
    Nets fans think they have the best starting 5 in the league....... LOL
    They definetly have the most expensive!

    Deron Williams 20 million
    Joe Johnson 20 million
    Lopez 13 million
    Humphries 12
    Wallace 10

    75 million to your starting 5....lets see what it amounts to!

    Just if you were wondering about us


    Amare 20 million
    Melo 19.4
    Tyson 13 million
    Kidd or Felton 3 million
    Shump 1.8

    thats 57 million

    Mia is 58 million in money owed to projected starters

    OKC around 50 million

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    Originally Posted by New New York

    They definetly have the most expensive!

    Deron Williams 20 million
    Joe Johnson 20 million
    Lopez 13 million
    Humphries 12
    Wallace 10

    75 million to your starting 5....lets see what it amounts to!

    Just if you were wondering about us

    Amare 20 million
    Melo 19.4
    Tyson 13 million
    Kidd or Felton 3 million
    Shump 1.8

    thats 57 million

    Mia is 58 million in money owed to projected starters

    OKC around 50 million
    Yea they definitely fcuked themselves up financially in my opinion deron is the only one worth the contract.

    Joe johnson- good but overrated an not worth 89 mil
    Lopez- no need to explain
    Wallace- shell of his former self worth at most 6-7mil
    Humphries- 12 mil?! Haha

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    Nets screwed themselves into being that 2nd round playoff exit for the next few years.

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    BUMP.

    This is quickly becoming my topic of the week, for sure.

    Can't elaborate now, but will.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    This is how good Lin is.....with Lin we are better than the Nets....without Lin they are better
    we are better then the next tired of lin finding his way into every convo we all have. in any rate our pg position is an upgrade over last years so to say we were only better then them with lin is wrong. if we could have swapped lin with even jason kidd last year we would have won more games with kidd then lin. no there wouldnt have been a kiddsanity and winning all those games like lin did without amare and melo but there also wouldnt have been those streaks and struggling after they returned or careless turnovers. we are better now then when the season ended

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    Nets have become the new Atlanta Hawks, not worried about them. Their starting 5 is pretty good i'm not going to lie especially with D-Will running their offense, but they are all overpriced (except D-Will) and have no bench. They will never get past the 2nd round, The only chance they ever had at winning a championship was by getting Dwight but they failed lol. The nets fans trash-talking about the Knicks is really starting to piss me off. I can't wait till we play them.

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    ^ I'm honestly not sure if they are that badly overpaid.

    Sometimes overpaying is good, too.

    Joe Johnson is what helped the Nets secure D-Will

    He also fits great on their team, and name better/more reliable 2-guards in the NBA?

    Maybe 2, 3 others you could definitely say are better?

    Sure, if the Bobcats signed JJ to that deal....it's horrible. As it would be for many (most) teams in the NBA.

    But for the Nets?

    Idk how Humphries is overpaid either -- he's an efficient scoring, double double machine. He also outperformed STAT last year.

    Not saying he is great, or even better than STAT (though I wouldn't be shocked if he puts up comparable PER), but he is also paid much less than STAT.....

    Look at the deals that bigs get in the NBA (especially double-double guys), not to mention ones who are young (like Humphries) -- they get paid, and they often get overpaid into huge deals. Humphries got a 2yr deal that somehow was low enough to fit into the Nets' budget.

    The only player the Nets will sink or swim on, and really overpaid for (at this time) is Lopez. Lopezs' game will decide whether the Nets are pretenders (worse than us), fringe contenders, or legit contenders.

    If Lopez plays like the Lopez of last year, they are fringe contenders. If the still young, talented Center gets better, they can be legit contenders in a time of the NBA where *legit* contenders are very rare.

    Dwill
    JJ
    Wallace
    Humphries
    Lopez

    Find me starting 5's in the NBA better than that, with more bottomline potential.

    There's not many.

    Most important for the Nets, which makes their gambles good and their "overpaid" contracts not that bad, is that they possess potential. Particularly in Lopez (and to a lesser extent in JJ and Humphries) to be significantly better than they currently look on paper.

    I would also give them an additional X-Factor of potential, which is the overall fit and cohesion of their roster; which, on paper, bodes as a potential positive.

    I don't see how NYK don't have more question marks, and bigger question marks; which is why I see the Nets as a much safer bet.

    The Nets have yet to perform horribly and poorly from a chemistry standpoint, either; we have. They also have less injury concerns.

    The Nets haven't proved ****, but that's still better than having put out **** in the first place.

    Nets are ****y pricks. But Knick fans are being an *extremely* hopeful and optimistic bunch here.

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    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    ^ I'm honestly not sure if they are that badly overpaid.

    Sometimes overpaying is good, too.

    Joe Johnson is what helped the Nets secure D-Will

    He also fits great on their team, and name better/more reliable 2-guards in the NBA?

    Maybe 2, 3 others you could definitely say are better?

    Sure, if the Bobcats signed JJ to that deal....it's horrible. As it would be for many (most) teams in the NBA.

    But for the Nets?

    Idk how Humphries is overpaid either -- he's an efficient scoring, double double machine. He also outperformed STAT last year.

    Not saying he is great, or even better than STAT (though I wouldn't be shocked if he puts up comparable PER), but he is also paid much less than STAT.....

    Look at the deals that bigs get in the NBA (especially double-double guys), not to mention ones who are young (like Humphries) -- they get paid, and they often get overpaid into huge deals. Humphries got a 2yr deal that somehow was low enough to fit into the Nets' budget.

    The only player the Nets will sink or swim on, and really overpaid for (at this time) is Lopez. Lopezs' game will decide whether the Nets are pretenders (worse than us), fringe contenders, or legit contenders.

    If Lopez plays like the Lopez of last year, they are fringe contenders. If the still young, talented Center gets better, they can be legit contenders in a time of the NBA where *legit* contenders are very rare.

    Dwill
    JJ
    Wallace
    Humphries
    Lopez

    Find me starting 5's in the NBA better than that, with more bottomline potential.

    There's not many.

    Most important for the Nets, which makes their gambles good and their "overpaid" contracts not that bad, is that they possess potential. Particularly in Lopez (and to a lesser extent in JJ and Humphries) to be significantly better than they currently look on paper.

    I would also give them an additional X-Factor of potential, which is the overall fit and cohesion of their roster; which, on paper, bodes as a potential positive.

    I don't see how NYK don't have more question marks, and bigger question marks; which is why I see the Nets as a much safer bet.

    The Nets have yet to perform horribly and poorly from a chemistry standpoint, either; we have. They also have less injury concerns.

    The Nets haven't proved ****, but that's still better than having put out **** in the first place.

    Nets are ****y pricks. But Knick fans are being an *extremely* hopeful and optimistic bunch here.
    Both the Knicks & Nets currently have a player making much more money on their contract than they are worth production wise (JJ / STAT). The difference here is, STAT has already proven he can play up to his contract in 2010 when he was balling out with Ray Felton. I don't ever remember Joe Johnson playing to the level of his deal however. He is as overrated a player as they come IMO, hands down. To all those who automatically assume that the Nets now have the top backcourt in the NBA rings of foolishness to me. Since when did Joe Johnson ever elevate his teams to be considered amongst the class of guys like Kobe Bryant & Steve Nash?

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    Default If there was a draft between the knicks and nets who would be your first round pick

    I would of started a new thread on this but it is appropriate in here

    The first person I would draft would be Tyson Chandler

    I honestly would take the nets roster and switch out brook lopez with tyson chandler and add iman shumpert to be the two guard off the bench. Their roster just fits together. Our roster is too disjointed and we have two specialists in melo and amare that do the same thing, Two many question then answers

    williams (perfect balance of defense and offense and unselfishness)
    johnson/shumpert
    wallace
    humpries
    Chandler

    vs
    felton/kidd (all can play wonderful offense but all are selfish and are me-first players, r
    jr smith , lazy defenders; except for lopez he will probably not see the ball much less rebound it)
    carmelo
    amare
    lopez

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    Originally Posted by Rob Low
    If Amare plays the way he did at the beginning of 2010 we're the best team in the league
    HAHAHHAHAHAAHA!!! Got any more of that ish ya smoking?

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    Both the Knicks & Nets currently have a player making much more money on their contract than they are worth production wise (JJ / STAT). The difference here is, STAT has already proven he can play up to his contract in 2010 when he was balling out with Ray Felton. I don't ever remember Joe Johnson playing to the level of his deal however. He is as overrated a player as they come IMO, hands down. To all those who automatically assume that the Nets now have the top backcourt in the NBA rings of foolishness to me. Since when did Joe Johnson ever elevate his teams to be considered amongst the class of guys like Kobe Bryant & Steve Nash?
    Dont underestimeate joe johnson yes his contract is atrocious but he is the 3rd best SG in the league. Can you name any other SG better than Him besides kobe and wade? Probably not. And Without Joe Johnson Atlanta was not making make the playoffs so yes he does elevate his teams. Dont's underestimate joe johnson this guy is the real deal just because he is quiet dose not mean he can't ball.

    At this point in time Joe Johnson> Carmelo Anthony until proven otherwise. At least his teams get out of the first round of the playoffs

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