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    Originally Posted by Kidd Karma
    It's actually 3 million less than the original agreement of 4 years 28.8. With the flood of automatic match rumors, Morey went back to the drawing board to design a deal that would be close to unmatchable. So he funneled that back end of the original deal into the max salary he could get into year 3.
    The original agreement was a team option for year 4, pretty much unguaranteed money. You cannot factor that into the value of this contract. If it were a player's option then it'd be a different story.

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    Originally Posted by Jinki£s
    There are way more Asian Americans in the Northeast than in Texas too, thus a bigger following. Wasted a crazy good opportunity :\
    I mean yes, his popularity with Asians is definitely key to his marketability, but even amongst people of other enthicities, I think this kid's story resonates very well. I mean who doesn't love the story of the underdog that comes out of nowhere & lights the world on fire & becomes a star? That's totally the American dream. I think from being at Knicks games last year, I saw just as many non-Asians wearing his jersey as Asian people were, especially little kids. It's really incredible how this whole Linsanity phenomenon blew up, I've never seen anything like it. Real shame that it only lasted a couple months.

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    Toney Parker (he's on your list but I would not consider him quick or agile)
    Eric Snow
    Chauncy Billups
    Derek Harper
    Jameer Nelson
    Jose Calderon
    Mark Jackson


    These are some past and present PG's that were not exciting nor athletic.
    Dude...

    Parker has been one of the quickest players in the *entire* NBA. Pretty sure he was even voted fasted in league not too long ago by a poll taken of NBA players.

    He's a very capable fast break player, too.

    The rest of the guys are quality players -- but they are also all from a different era, or are on the way out of this one. And they can't sniff the the level of play of current upper crust PGs in the league, highlighted by their quickness and agility and physicality.

    Check the teams who have contended or won past couple seasons. Almost *all* had very good to great PGs, and/or PGs who were very physical and fast.

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    at Tony Parker not being quick or agile.

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    I agree with metrocard about everything he's said about Felton.

    Me too!!!! just not the hating Felton part

    Metro is completley right in that Felton is not an explosive player, he is not going to Wow you with anything. He is simply an NBA PG


    Here is some more comparisons....Derek Fisher, Andre Miller Sam Cassel

    These are all guys who like Felton will not have the most entertaining youtube videos but get the job done.


    This is all we need in my opinion!

    Now in a perfect world I would take Chauncy Billups but Felton is a great consolation!


    The Knicks are the equivelent to a Football team with a solid defense, good recievers and great running backs, all you need is a QB who does not make mistakes that blow games not neccessarily a Pro Bowler

    Guys all want Vick when Matt Cassel will do!


    Now if Deron Williams or Chris Paul were available I'd be the biggest liar to say I would not want them, but a PG that good is not neccessary provided Melo and Stat are focused and Tyson holds us down on D and our bench performs to their ability!


    Felton is a simple, plain solution to a complicated problem the past 2 years...team chemistry!


    Last Felton Comparison....Charlie Ward and Chris Childs....nothing flashy just ball players!

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    Hell I'd Melo's boy Josh Selby, who I think ends up a Knick next year at the 1

    LOL, PG is an important position but how many great Point Guards got rings since 1980

    Magic, Isiah, Billups, Ronodo, Parker, Kidd(past prime) and Payton(past prime)

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    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    Dude...

    Parker has been one of the quickest players in the *entire* NBA. Pretty sure he was even voted fasted in league not too long ago by a poll taken of NBA players.

    He's a very capable fast break player, too.

    The rest of the guys are quality players -- but they are also all from a different era, or are on the way out of this one. And they can't sniff the the level of play of current upper crust PGs in the league, highlighted by their quickness and agility and physicality.

    Check the teams who have contended or won past couple seasons. Almost *all* had very good to great PGs, and/or PGs who were very physical and fast.
    Originally Posted by NYNYK
    at Tony Parker not being quick or agile.
    Ok came out wrong....I guess what I meant to say was that he is not an overly athletic PG, not an above the rim type player...saying he is not quick is probably not accurate....fair enough


    Now about the claim about past few Champions having Physically gifted, Fast PG's

    lets look at them

    Chalmers 2012
    Kidd (past his prime) 2011
    Derick Fisher 2010
    Derick Fisher 2009
    Rondo 2008
    Tony Parker 2007
    Gary Payton (past his prime)/Jason Williams 2006

    I see more floor generals (like Felton is) than super athletes like a Derrick Rose.

    Rondo is a monster and I have retracted my statement about Parker, but aside from them where is the overwhelming athletes? Jason Williams you can make a case for be he only started some games but Riley always finished with GP for experience even though Gary was barely even a shell of himself by then.



    There is actually no protocol for a PG on a winning team!

    The PG just needs to accomadate his team's needs, thats it!

    For Chicago D Rose needs the ball to penetrate and will setup their offense off of how teams defend him...it works for them!

    For Derek Fisher and The Lakers it was just about managing the game and hitting shots when needed...this is all we are gonna need from Felton.

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    Honestly let's just lower our expectations and pray this doesn't go bad between now and 2015.

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    So we got

    A drunk, a fat ass, a south American and an over rated Asian

    God I love the Knicks

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    don't forget our beloved sexual predator, isiah.

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    would be something if felton gets traded again, this time for cp3

    its like he comes to ny only to be a trading chip to get superstars

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    I believe that if it wasn't for his injury, the Knicks would not have hesitated to match Houston's offer.

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    Originally Posted by Jinki£s
    There are way more Asian Americans in the Northeast than in Texas too, thus a bigger following. Wasted a crazy good opportunity :\
    Don't mean to single you out individually, Jinki£s, but there really is too much of a focal on Lin's ethnicity and marketability, as opposed to what he did during Linsanity.

    It was amazing. Is an approximate $8M a season too much homage for the best Knick moment since the end of last century? No doubt it is!

    But with all that potential.

    With the added tutelage of Kidd.

    With a team raring for resurgence after such a bipolar season.

    I can't fathom the talk of ethnicity, MSG stock, endorsement and so forth, as re-signing Lin would merely be about improving a team whose M.O is clearly about achieving as much as it can in 3 years.

    Forget cost, forget melanin count and genetic markers, make the move for the Knicks. If it doesn't work out, at least we'll know via experience. Not, as it would inevitably be, through watching Rockets' recaps and highlights, wondering if it would've been the same here had Dolan not got his lacy undies in a twist.

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    Originally Posted by Crazy⑧s
    Don't mean to single you out individually, Jinki£s, but there really is too much of a focal on Lin's ethnicity and marketability, as opposed to what he did during Linsanity.



    Forget cost, forget melanin count and genetic markers, make the move for the Knicks. If it doesn't work out, at least we'll know via experience. Not, as it would inevitably be, through watching Rockets' recaps and highlights, wondering if it would've been the same here had Dolan not got his lacy undies in a twist.

    I am starting to come back to earth , would not hate if we picked the guy back up as it would clearly be an asset to the teams future. We need to make this decision clearly on basketball and not all the other bull ****... I am out

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