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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    Stephen A. Smith is too
    check out knicksnow.com lin was removed since last night

    writing on the wall

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    Originally Posted by Crazy⑧s
    Wow......

    I'm happy to have 2 former Knicks back, honestly.

    Looks like Lin's as good as gone. Another mutineer! Nothing surprises me in the NBA when it comes to cash.

    Loyalty is green.
    you do realizes what you say here is completely rediculous? and shows you are either a kid or know nothing about bball?

    lin signing the rockets offersheet is automatic. thats what any player does and in this type of situation 99% of the time the team the player is with will pick up his option and match. its what they do with contracts in the NBA.

    the ball was always in the knicks court and not surprisingly, they blew it for some un FATHOMABLE reason.......maybe they believe building a team around aging wash-ups is a successful strat? GO BROOKLYN NETS!

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    I am not sure what Felton's contract will be in the third year or whether a third or fourth year will even be guaranteed. Frankly I would be suurprised if either year were guaranteed.

    Let us assume that Felton's contract is either not guaranteed in the third year or is limited to $3M in that year. This would mean that the difference between his contract and Lin's contract in that year would be either about about $7M or about $10M. I am not sure what the luxury tax on such additional amounts would be, but expect it will be at least dollar for dollar -- at least $7M, perhaps $10M. If Houston had not re-worked the contract, the difference would have been $2M to $5M. But perhaps Felton would not have been signed.

    I believe Lin and his agent anticipated that the Knicks would match no matter what. But there is something under-handed about what happened. After the original offer the Knicks went out and committed to three year guaranteed contracts for Kidd and Camby. Kidd would mentor Lin. The Knicks used up at least some of what may have kept them out of or reduced third year luxury taxes. Houston then re-works the offer and Lin signs it, apparently without advising the Knicks of the alterations. I do not believe there is anything in that Bible Lin reads that would justify such conduct.

    I do not think Dolan cares so much about the money. Perhaps he has taken it personally. I cannot believe that Lin really wants Houston. Linsanity will not play in Houston. I believe that Lin and his agent have made a monster mistake. Don't mess with Dolan. The Knicks are his toy.

    I hope the Knicks match, because I despise Felton as a player. But if Felton's third year is guaranteed, I will be very much surprised if Lin is in New York this coming season. I am betting Lin is not a happy man. He got greedy and will, in the long run, pay a heavy price for the greed.
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    Originally Posted by NY17KNICKS
    Sorry but I cant go along with that.

    Your saying if you were a pro you'd let your agent basically wipe your ass for you?

    Lin knew damn well what he was doing when he told Houston to up the offer.

    I'll admit Linsanity was cool but it sure as hell aint Max contract after 25 games cool
    You are much noble than the rest of us. I'd jump on the highest bidder in a New York minute.

    Are you implying that you would take less money to put less strain on Dolan's pocketbook? Seriously dude, you are not that noble to walk away from 25 mil.

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    Calm down, of course I'd take 25 million.

    What im saying is, if a team is dumb enough to offer me a max contract after 25 games played then I hope our team is dumb enough to match it.

    NO PLAYER IS WORTH A MAX AFTER BEING CUT TWICE AND ONLY HAVE PLAYED 25 GAMES.

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    Originally Posted by NY17KNICKS
    Calm down, of course I'd take 25 million.

    What im saying is, if a team is dumb enough to offer me a max contract after 25 games played then I hope our team is dumb enough to match it.

    NO PLAYER IS WORTH A MAX AFTER BEING CUT TWICE AND ONLY HAVE PLAYED 25 GAMES.
    and he was in the d-league twice thats chris paul money

    Is Jeremy Lin Worth Chris Paul money? I think Not

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    Originally Posted by VeryGundy
    You are much noble than the rest of us. I'd jump on the highest bidder in a New York minute.

    Are you implying that you would take less money to put less strain on Dolan's pocketbook? Seriously dude, you are not that noble to walk away from 25 mil.

    Some things aren't all about the money. There have been circumstances where players have taken a pay cut in order to increase their chances of winning a championship. I don't think people should consider Lin to be a traitor in any way. He only joined the Knicks as they were the only team to offer him a chance. He would have done the same with any team that provided him this opportunity. At this point it's fairly clear that his priority is to amass as much money as he can. The question is whether the Knicks believe he is worth this much as a player (particularly considering the repercussions re-signing would have on the franchise). To me, three weeks of decent games and over-hyping are not worth this. I'd let him walk. Sure this could come back to haunt us, but to be honest, I doubt he will ever be anything more than a decent PG. If Felton can reach his 2010-11 level, there shouldn't be a problem. I take issue with Felton's defence, but we've established good enough defensive cover to not have to worry about this anymore.

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    Originally Posted by NY17KNICKS
    Calm down, of course I'd take 25 million.

    What im saying is, if a team is dumb enough to offer me a max contract after 25 games played then I hope our team is dumb enough to match it.

    NO PLAYER IS WORTH A MAX AFTER BEING CUT TWICE AND ONLY HAVE PLAYED 25 GAMES.
    IMO, no NBA player is worth what they are getting but that's what the market would bear. It's all Monopoly money.

    I am just saying that removing the financial considerations, NYK should bring back Lin based on the 25-games preview we witnessed last season. I fail to see why we must dismiss that stretch of games and insist that our evaluation of true talent is more accurate than what actually transpired.

    If Lin is a fluke, let's find out but not too many PG has walked into MSG and did what Lin pulled off during Linsanity.

    To me, facts speak louder than our perception. All the basketball experts on this board cannot dissemble what Lin did. Of course I also find it amusing that all of a sudden everyone was on Dolan's side and calls for fiduciary responsibilities. Are you ****ing kidding me?

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    In addition to Felton and Thomas, who else are we getting? I find it hard to believe we would also get Barton or Diebler... If so, then we would have raped the Blazers cause Jeffries, Gadz and the two greeks are definitely expendable.

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    Just reading another nail in the coffin as to why the Knicks won't re-sign Lin. Signing Ray just shot the Knicks into the next rung of luxury tax so if the Knicks signed Lin without Felton in the picture they would owe 28M in tax, with the trade for Felton their tax bill becomes 41.75M. We would be paying Lin 43M without Felton and 57M if we matched after the Felton deal is completed. Maybe the Felton trade blows up, that's the only way the Knicks match Houston.

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    I was listening to Knicksblogger on ESPN radio and he said Lin's floor was Raymond Felton and his ceiling was much higher, said Felton's numbers were skewed the year he was here because he had one great month. I agree with him despite Lin's 25 game resume, you can see he has the skills, teams project players upside all the time in the draft and he's not getting superstar money, the Rox just backloaded his contract to keep us from matching. 8M/3yr deal on average is not superstar money nor a horrible contract luxury tax not withstanding.
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    Ha funny how the worm turns HAHA! Here's a real marketing question??? What are all y'all gonna do with your played out LIN jersey's???? HAHAHA!!!! Marketing meet Negotiating!!! The KNICKS kept Lin on the hook until they grabbed Felton. I would rather have the proven vet for a third of the money. Tried to tell you guys it is not necessary to break the bank on a PG. HA!!!! Glad I invested in a my MELO swingman jersey!!!! I love being a member of KO.COM just for these moments. Question to the LIN lovers??? Are you jumping ship or sticking with the BLUE & ORANGE???

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    ^^^ This is my reaction (and no do not over think the purpose of this gif)

    Its just idk how the Knicks FO came to this decision but what can we do but hope Fatty doesn't fail and the Knicks made the right choice going forward... I still don't know why the f*ck the went after Kidd though but whatever....

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    Just reading another nail in the coffin as to why the Knicks won't re-sign Lin. Signing Ray just shot the Knicks into the next rung of luxury tax so if the Knicks signed Lin without Felton in the picture they would owe 28M in tax, with the trade for Felton their tax bill becomes 41.75M. We would be paying Lin 43M without Felton and 57M if we matched after the Felton deal is completed. Maybe the Felton trade blows up, that's the only way the Knicks match Houston.

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    I was listening to Knicksblogger on ESPN radio and he said Lin's floor was Raymond Felton and his ceiling was much higher, said Felton's numbers were skewed the year he was here because he had one great month. I agree with him despite Lin's 25 game resume, you can see he has the skills, teams project players upside all the time in the draft and he's not getting superstar money, the Rox just backloaded his contract to keep us from matching. 8M/3yr deal on average is not superstar money nor a horrible contract luxury tax not withstanding.
    Exactly. Consider the amount of publicity he brings and the amount of money he makes, AND the fact that he was the only reason the Knicks made the playoffs last year, and financially, we know that MSG could make it work if they REALLY wanted to. Dolan has spent more money on garbage, so surely he could spend some on a player who's actually got potential.

    Also:

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    Are the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] making a mistake if they let [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] go, and proceed with [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] as their starting point guard?

    From a pure basketball perspective, the numbers say yes, they are.

    ISOLATION

    Isolation plays are where Lin excels. He scored the third most points per play of the 91 players with at least 75 isolation plays last season, trailing only [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. Felton ranked 68th.

    Felton turned the ball over on isolation plays more than twice as often as Lin, who committed just six turnovers on his 93 isolation plays. And only [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and Harden got to the free throw line more often than Lin on isolation plays.

    PICK-AND-ROLL

    Among the 41 players who were the ball-handler on at least 200 pick-and-roll plays last season, Felton scored the fourth-fewest points per play. Only [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] were worse. Lin, who ranked 26th, got to the free throw line nearly three times as often as Felton on those plays.

    JUMPERS OFF THE DRIBBLE

    Despite shooting just 33 percent on catch-and-shoot jumpers last season, Lin shot 48 percent on jumpers off the dribble.

    Of the 102 players who attempted at least 90 jumpers off the dribble, only [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] shot a higher field goal percentage than Lin. Felton ranked 85th of those 102 players, shooting just 33 percent.

    PASSING

    Felton and Lin both passed the ball on most of their pick-and-roll plays. And both players’ teammates had nearly the same field goal percentage and points per play on those passes. Felton passed it to the roll men more often, while Lin hit the cutters and spot-up shooters more often.

    Felton passed the ball more often on isolation plays than Lin, who was better at passing to cutters, resulting in a higher field goal percentage and more points per play by his teammates on those passes. But with Lin’s high efficiency on isolation plays, it may not be such a bad thing that he passes the ball on only 17 percent of his isolation plays.

    DEFENSE

    So if Lin seems to be the better offensive player, for the Knicks to justify this move, they must think Felton is the better defender, right? That may not be the case.

    Lin held opponents to fewer points per play and a lower field goal percentage (37.8) last season than Felton (41.6). Of the 235 players to defend at least 300 plays, Lin ranked 78th in fewest points per play, while Felton ranked 133rd.


    LIN BETTER OFF WITH KNICKS

    Why is Lin better off with the Knicks than the Rockets?

    Isolation plays are Lin’s bread and butter. He’s among the best in the league. No team had more isolation plays last season than the Knicks. Isolation plays accounted for 17 percent of the Knicks' offense, the highest such percentage in the league.

    The Rockets, meanwhile, ranked 22nd in isolation plays, which accounted for just 9 percent of their offense. The Knicks had nearly twice as many isolation plays as the Rockets.

    CONCLUSION

    Based on the above analysis using Synergy Sports Technology, it seems that Lin would be the better choice for the Knicks. And Lin might not thrive in Houston the way he would in New York.
    In other words, Felton is crappier than Lin at basically every single facet of the game.

    Great.

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    Originally Posted by Wargames

    Its just idk how the Knicks FO came to this decision but what can we do but hope Fatty doesn't fail and the Knicks made the right choice going forward... I still don't know why the f*ck the went after Kidd though but whatever....
    I hate to think that Knicks FO brought Kidd over here to start but WTF.

    This offseason has been nothing to write home about.

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    If the Knicks' front office fails to retain Jeremy Lin, I think it's safe to say that the off-season was a huge failure.

    We downgraded at the PG position (yes, Felton will be a downgrade, especially in this iso-heavy system, considering Lin is a great isolation player and Felton is not), we downgraded at the SG position, all for the sake of adding a couple veterans who, while they are good pieces, aren't enough to fix that fact that you have a huge hole in the starting lineup.

    Knicks now have the worst backcourt in the NBA defensively and offensively it's bottom-tier as well. Like hell they can compete.

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