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    Being an ole-man fan of the Knicks .. has not been very rewarding lately, the good ole-daze of Earl Monroe, Sugar Ray, Cartwright, Bernad King, and Ewing are all gone.

    The Knicks has been going down hill as a scrub NBA team ever since the Allan Houston resigning of $100M max contract in 1999....to the $100M max contract for Carmelo Anthony in 2011.

    u just dont give a NO-DEFENSIVE-EFFORT player a $100M contract .. its different if u drafted the player to watch his fan base increase by a large percentage each season, or if u trade for a no-defense-player in the final year or two of his max contract to boost your advantage in the playoffs .... which a lot of NBA teams will do for the Knicks in the final years of Amare & Melo contract.
    How many seasons will it take to realize Melo & Amare dont co-exist?
    Two first round playoff seasons and we are still blaming injuries....Damn!

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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    Would of been better to build off Lin and Shumpert heading into 2015 rebuild mode

    Lin is still far from being elite, and has alot of flaws in his game, but by 2015 dude would probably be a beast by then
    If for argument sake Jeremy Lin DOES become a beast by 2015, then the Knicks will have max cap space that summer to offer him a contract. What's the difference? Why would it have been better to build off Lin & Shumpert for 3 years rather than trying to win now with veteran players? I'm having a hard time understanding this. We have a window of 3 years while we have STAT, Melo & Tyson on the roster. After that the window is closed & it's going to be time to rebuild again. Unless we were going to dump STAT & Melo's salaries NOW to gather young assets, I don't see how building around Lin would have made the most sense. This team is being built around Melo & STAT, it's pretty obvious. Until those guys are off the team, that's how it will remain. We need to think about putting COMPLEMENTARY players around those guys, not guys that will have trouble meshing with their style of play.

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    We have a 3 year window for what Stat1? A championship?

    Whatever your smokin my dude, pass that ish to me and let me kill it

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    Originally Posted by KingStarbury3
    We have a 3 year window for what Stat1? A championship?

    Whatever your smokin my dude, pass that ish to me and let me kill it
    If the point is not to try & win a championship right now, then what is it? To watch a team rebuild year after year after year in some kind of hope that a guy that was about to be cut & sent down to the D Leagues a few months ago would somehow lead us to a championship in 2015?

    If you have no hope that we can build towards a championship in the next 3 years then what is the point in even watching these games? I'm curious to know why you seem to feel that building around Jeremy Lin & Shump gives the Knicks a better chance at winning a title over building around Melo & STAT? So when exactly do you feel is the RIGHT time to try & go for win now mode? When Lin is a superstar player in 2015? Do you know for sure that's what he's going to become? I don't. & Even if he does, what's to prevent the Knicks from pursuing him as a Free agent? Once again, the books will be completely clear by that year & the Knicks will have all the cap space in the world to offer him a max deal, IF he becomes the star player you are projecting him to be. Right now, with the contracts we have on our books, our #1 priority needs to be on trying to win a championship, not on developing young players with the hope of winning one in 2015.

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    Im not sure what this team should do but I do know that we're not built for a championship. One of our stars needs to work a little harder and the other one needs to work alot harder.

    Last year, Amare looked uncoordinated and old. Carmelo looked disinterested at times with playing defense. Hopefully Stats not just sweet talking the fans and he means what he said about what he felt he learned from the Miami Heat.

    We got a good team but not quite enough to overcome Miami or Boston next year in my opinion. I think we're a little better then the Nets at least, but I was wrong to make this thread. I should be content with having a 2nd round team as my favorite team in all sports after all those years of embarrassment, pain, ball stomping needle poking torture

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    We will 100% lose Shump because Dolan will trade STAT and Shump for CP3 this season.

    Haha... probably not...but this thread is funny!

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    ^ That would be a nice trade.

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    Lin is never coming back. Once you cross Dolan there is no return.

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    Originally Posted by blahwoop
    Lin is never coming back. Once you cross Dolan there is no return.
    Ironic statement.

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    Originally Posted by blahwoop
    Lin is never coming back. Once you cross Dolan there is no return.
    Camby is back we all have to wait until Jeremy is in his late 30's thats all

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    If for argument sake Jeremy Lin DOES become a beast by 2015, then the Knicks will have max cap space that summer to offer him a contract. What's the difference? Why would it have been better to build off Lin & Shumpert for 3 years rather than trying to win now with veteran players? I'm having a hard time understanding this. We have a window of 3 years while we have STAT, Melo & Tyson on the roster. After that the window is closed & it's going to be time to rebuild again. Unless we were going to dump STAT & Melo's salaries NOW to gather young assets, I don't see how building around Lin would have made the most sense. This team is being built around Melo & STAT, it's pretty obvious. Until those guys are off the team, that's how it will remain. We need to think about putting COMPLEMENTARY players around those guys, not guys that will have trouble meshing with their style of play.
    if Lin becomes a beast in 2015, who's to say he wants to return to New York... he may very well be adapted to the Rockets and re-sign there.

    Worst case Scenario - We don't win a championship, Lin becomes top 5 PG in the league... and we'll be saying "hey there goes Lin, if only Dolan matched"

    Best Case scenario - We win a Championship before the contracts expire, Lin proves he's not as good as people think and no harm is done


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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    if Lin becomes a beast in 2015, who's to say he wants to return to New York... he may very well be adapted to the Rockets and re-sign there.

    Worst case Scenario - We don't win a championship, Lin becomes top 5 PG in the league... and we'll be saying "hey there goes Lin, if only Dolan matched"

    Best Case scenario - We win a Championship before the contracts expire, Lin proves he's not as good as people think and no harm is done

    If Lin doesn't want to come back to NY then so be it. I don't want ANY player here who doesn't want to be here. I want guys who are DESPERATE to represent that orange & blue jersey & play their heart out for this franchise.

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    If Lin doesn't want to come back to NY then so be it. I don't want ANY player here who doesn't want to be here. I want guys who are DESPERATE to represent that orange & blue jersey & play their heart out for this franchise.

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    Debating about the future of a franchise that substitutes 75% of its roster after each season is simply pointless. We're constantly rebuilding, if signing seven new players (including starters) isn't called rebuilding, then what is?

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    Originally Posted by Almost_famous718
    Would of been better to build off Lin and Shumpert heading into 2015 rebuild mode

    Lin is still far from being elite, and has alot of flaws in his game, but by 2015 dude would probably be a beast by then

    Shumpert already makes his presence felt on the floor from a defensive standpoint, by 2015 if he's able to stay healthy dude will be force especially if he continues working on his offensive game.


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