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    Originally Posted by NYNYK
    They have no one else. He'll have to do pretty much everything aka be their melo. If you're a fantasy owner it'll be great but if you're a basketball team, not so much.

    He's not there to be a basketball player. He's there bring a dead fanbase back to life. If he pulls good numbers it's just a positive.

    I won't be surprised if he tears his meniscus again or worse with the minutes they'll probably play him.
    They traded kevin martin?That dude puts up numbers, and no, LIN is not a 20 and 10 player, you know how hard that is?Some people have no clue, lin will never average 20&10, he's not that athletic, 17&7 with 6 TO's is more realistic.15 million for those numbers is absurd, just my

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    Originally Posted by fender0577
    They traded kevin martin?That dude puts up numbers, and no, LIN is not a 20 and 10 player, you know how hard that is?Some people have no clue, lin will never average 20&10, he's not that athletic, 17&7 with 6 TO's is more realistic.15 million for those numbers is absurd, just my

    Lin at least have the potential to be a 20/10 or close to it. A'mare and Melo will NEVER win a championship for the Knicks. There max contract is way more Absorb!!

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    Originally Posted by Den318
    There max contract is way more Absorb!!
    I have less of a qualm with a troll that can at least bring something intelligent to the forum. You have not qualified. Could be your first one, RJ!

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    Originally Posted by Den318
    Lin at least have the potential to be a 20/10 or close to it. A'mare and Melo will NEVER win a championship for the Knicks. There max contract is way more Absorb!!
    Ah...no he doesn't, there's a reason only Chris Paul and D-Will are the only PG's in the league who have done it.Lin is ok, but stop with this 20&10 talk, please.

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    Jeremy Who???

    Everybody Loves Raymond!!!

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    Originally Posted by fender0577
    Nah f-that, don't bite your tongue, 99% of LIN fans aren't Knicks fans anyways.So to hell with them, all Knicks fans supported Lin while he was here(because he was a Knick), but some of these idiots, who bash STAT and MELO, and called LIN the greatest thing to ever happen to the KNICKS are retards.Don't apologize to the unintelligent, call it what it is, where going to be better off, financially on and off the court next year.Jason Kidd, and felton are more than capable of running things next year.F-Lin and all LIN fans, not to be confused with KNICKS fans.P.S i can say that now, he's not a knick anymore.
    Bang bang...King Kong ain't got s**t on me; took the words out of my mouth. Man I love our old school posters.

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Bang bang...King Kong ain't got s**t on me; took the words out of my mouth. Man I love our old school posters.
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    Well. It's good to see you stay on top of the details, Jim, that frame your perspective on issues!



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    Originally Posted by fender0577
    They traded kevin martin?That dude puts up numbers, and no, LIN is not a 20 and 10 player, you know how hard that is?Some people have no clue, lin will never average 20&10, he's not that athletic, 17&7 with 6 TO's is more realistic.15 million for those numbers is absurd, just my

    Keven Martin equal Carmelo Anthony .... didnt u notice the Houston Rocket roster without "Yao & T-Mac" three seasons ago staying above .500 record. As soon as they got Keven Martin 2 seasons ago, Houston started trading some decent young guards and coach Adeleman started DNP healthy good players who refuse to pass Keven Martin the ball on every offensive possession.

    Lin is a complimentary team player .. Felton is not...

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    Originally Posted by fender0577
    They traded kevin martin?That dude puts up numbers, and no, LIN is not a 20 and 10 player, you know how hard that is?Some people have no clue, lin will never average 20&10, he's not that athletic, 17&7 with 6 TO's is more realistic.15 million for those numbers is absurd, just my
    Ok, I wouldn't use the word "never" to predict an individual player's performance particularly when he just came of an incredible season. Who would have thought that Victor Cruz would play like an all star WR on the giants last season? Or Tom Brady would go from 4th string qb to hall of fame? The kid worked hard to get where he is so who knows?

    And he's plenty athletic, watch Sports Science on ESPN if you don't believe me...or just watch his games from last season.

    But the numbers weren't my point. Even if he performs poorly, as long as he starts he'll draw $$$, something that Doh!lan couldn't seem to grasp. Houston had plenty of cash to throw around and yet they pursued an unproven PG in J Lin (which he is) when they had D Will available or Steve Nash? And seriously, Omer Asik??? And a bunch of hit or miss young players? If they make the playoffs next season I will be amazed. I'll give you Kevin Martin but he's not a superstar like Melo. (yes i said it and I don't care if I get sh*t from the blob for this one if he reads it).

    Lin had a great situation in NY and it was a win win for both sides no matter how you try and spin it. The Knicks could had 2 years to evaluate Lin before that luxury tax hit and traded him away to any number of teams who would love to have him no matter how he performed. Meanwhile, they would be making insane paper off him just being on the team. Plus they had J Kidd to help him out and even a Felton/Lin combo isn't too far fetched. Lin could have had better talent to work with and had a much higher chance of actually getting a chance to play in the playoffs vs sitting on the sidelines.

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    He better become a pass first pointguard this time around. I swear when he was with us, he played with blinders on half the game. Its like he made the decision whether he was going to pass or shoot when he was on the other end of the court.. The situation, whether someone was open or not, seemed like it didn't matter. He just chucked so many shots it drove me insane.

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    Originally Posted by Forrest17
    He better become a pass first pointguard this time around. I swear when he was with us, he played with blinders on half the game. Its like he made the decision whether he was going to pass or shoot when he was on the other end of the court.. The situation, whether someone was open or not, seemed like it didn't matter. He just chucked so many shots it drove me insane.
    He definitely has the explosiveness and penetration game that Felton does not...for that reason, I think Lin is better fit as a scoring guard. It should fit him well on a team that doesnt have a lot of scoring options. Knicks offense revolves around Melo so this is not gonna work.

    I just found someone posted this online and I'm quite shocked by it.

    Nash,Kidd,Rondo,Rubio,Lin,Chalmers,Felton,Wall,G.D ragic,Lowry,Sessions,Nelson,B.Knight,Calderon,S.Cu rry,Augustin,D.Williams,D.Collison,K.Irving,D.Harr is,J.Teague,Lawson,Westbrook,Conley,J.Jack,I.Thoma s,J.Holiday,T.Parker,D.Rose,K.Walker,CP3,Jennings

    Among these 32 starting PGs above, in the last reg. season,
    Lin ranks 6th in AST%...elite level
    Lin ranks 28th in TOV%...bottom level (Nash, Kidd, Rondo and Rubio were worse.)
    Lin ranks 5th in USG%...dominating role
    Lin ranks 11th in TS%...above average
    Lin ranks 13th in TRB%...average
    Lin ranks 5th in STL%...elite level
    Lin ranks 5th in BLK%...elite level
    Lin ranks 2nd in DRtg...elite level (Rondo ranks 1st)
    Lin ranks 5th in MP when he was a starter...mass loading
    Lin ranks 9th in PER...above average
    Lin ranks 8th in AST per 36 mins...above average
    Lin ranks 32th in TOV per 36 mins...worst
    Lin ranks 1st in FTA per 36 mins...best

    Positive side:
    Lin is the only one that ranks TOP 5 in both STL% and BLK% among PGs at this point.
    Lin had almost as many FTA per 36 mins as Durant had in the last reg. season. (Lin: 7.0 Durant: 7.1)

    Nagative side:
    Lin is the only another one that turned the ball over at a rate of over 20%(21.4%) in TOV% with a USG% of over 20%(28.1%) among these guys besides Rondo, who turned the ball over at a rate of 22.8% in TOV% with a USG% of 20.7%.
    Overall? I would say Lin was playing like an above average to borderline elite level PG in those 35 games.
    Everyone was saying Lin was a TO machine but even Nash, Rondo, Kidd was worse? Anyway, yeah Lin's defense was really good, he stole the ball a lot, I'm really sad to see him go. I doubt Felton's D is gonna be up to par...

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    LIN IS GONE, can we move on please?
    Anyone who thinks Lin is a better defender than Felton is just a plain, straight up idiot.

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    Originally Posted by 21 Shump Street
    LIN IS GONE, can we move on please?
    Anyone who thinks Lin is a better defender than Felton is just a plain, straight up idiot.
    Yes, let's put this in clear focus and be done with it:

    1. Lin did nothing wrong as a Knick, played his ass off.
    2. Felton was great as a Knick and will most likely step up again.
    3. Not signing Lin and seeing what he could do for 1 or 2 years, before 3 rd. year $ hit, was a lost opportunity with limited Knick ownership risk. Stupid.
    4. IMO Melo wanted Lin gone, did not want to share the NY stage with him.
    5. Dolan is not Steinbrenner, and that answers many questions!

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    Originally Posted by Ghostowl
    He definitely has the explosiveness and penetration game that Felton does not...for that reason, I think Lin is better fit as a scoring guard. It should fit him well on a team that doesnt have a lot of scoring options. Knicks offense revolves around Melo so this is not gonna work.

    I just found someone posted this online and I'm quite shocked by it.



    Everyone was saying Lin was a TO machine but even Nash, Rondo, Kidd was worse? Anyway, yeah Lin's defense was really good, he stole the ball a lot, I'm really sad to see him go. I doubt Felton's D is gonna be up to par...
    Sorry to rain on your parade man but those stats mean very little. You're comparing numbers with a guy who played barely half a season. If you don't do some type of weighted average, the compared numbers (with Lin) are meaningless... the good and bad ones.

    Bottom line: Lin was productive when he was here. Felton was productive when he was here. Only one of those guys are knicks now, so let's let the other one go about his business until we play HOU.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Sorry to rain on your parade man but those stats mean very little. You're comparing numbers with a guy who played barely half a season. If you don't do some type of weighted average, the compared numbers (with Lin) are meaningless... the good and bad ones.

    Bottom line: Lin was productive when he was here. Felton was productive when he was here. Only one of those guys are knicks now, so let's let the other one go about his business until we play HOU.


    Those stats mean alot to a drowning Knicks club without a life-jacket having a 8-15 record, with the next 10 games being without both their $100M players do to groin injury, and family death.
    The Knicks without their two star-players the next 10 games were suppose to have a 11-22 record. A 11 games under .500 .. Lin-Sanity gave us a 17-17 record with an outstanding chemistry on both sides of the court that cant be describe in any stats.

    Lin-Sanity went WORLD-WIDE!

    The real question are will threads like this come back and bite the Knicks organization for $elling Lin-$anity under the table .. b/c Melo is unhappy with another pass-first PG who skills could make other teammates a first n second option on offense.

    Its not about Felton vs Lin .. Its all about Jason Kidd tutoring Felton to be half the floor-LEADER Lin-Sanity showed in 25 consecutive games of being a consistent super-star team-leader .. earning World-Wide-FAME!!!

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