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    Media Melo: Linsanity Forged Selfish Reputation

    If Carmelo Anthony's public pleas to Knicks management to keep Jeremy Lin sounded to you like damage control, after he called Houston's three-year, $25.1 million offer to Lin "ridiculous," his latest comments aren't likely to change your mind.



    "Let's be frank about it," Anthony told USA Today, when asked about his reputation as a selfish player. "When it comes to the Knicks, we're talking about one particular point in time. We're talking about the whole 'Linsanity' thing. That's when it started. That's when it started to escalate as far as people saying I was selfish. Lin came and we started winning games and then we started losing games, and they could only point to one thing, which is me, the leader of the team. They're not going to point to Amar'e. They're not going to point to (guard) Iman Shumpert. They're going to point to me. I accept that. It doesn't bother me."

    Leaving aside the reality that it bothers Anthony sufficiently that he's identified in his mind exactly when and why it has happened, there's the stubborn reality to contend with: Jeremy Lin isn't remotely the reason that Carmelo Anthony is considered a selfish player, nor is Linsanity to blame for that reputation. Google makes this case pretty convincingly.

    From February 4, 2012 through August 6, 2012, a Google News search for "Carmelo Anthony selfish" turns up 1,380 results. Most of these are recent, within the past few days, and come from Anthony's comments themselves. In the previous year, "Carmelo Anthony selfish" turns up just 33 results. From 2009-2011, there were 94 results in Google News, including results from The Washington Post, ESPN, NPR and the town that knew him best, the Denver Post. Anthony as selfish player was hardly a secret.

    But the nature of Anthony's selfishness on the court, most often described as "ball stopping," was even more prevalent. Certainly, the Google News results for "Carmelo Anthony ball stopper" has spiked since Linsanity, with 3,970 articles including those words as the world tried to figure out whether and how well Anthony and Lin would mesh.

    But in the calendar year leading up to Linsanity on February 4, 2011, the term was found in 73 articles. Here's Pro Basketball Prospectus 2011-12, for instance, describing Anthony's offensive game:

    "Can Anthony be the best player on a championship team? The answer to that question is murky. At some point, heís going to have to show a consistent ability to lift the performance of his teammates, and he needs to do that with passing and by being less of a ball stopper."

    Nor was this a particularly new diagnosis for the gifted passer who has never accumulated four assists per game in any season. The term turns up 102 results in 2010, 90 in 2009, 90 in 2008, 85 in 2007, 97 in 2006, 60 in 2005, 104 in 2004. Jeremy Lin celebrated his 16th birthday in 2004, and it is impossible to know what effect that had on Carmelo Anthony's reputation.


    He's described in ESPN's "The Disposable Superstar" this way, as viewed back in 2008: "A.I., Anthony and Marcus Camby are all 'ball stoppers,' meaning they rarely pass."

    Or as Jim Boeheim, his coach in 2003 when Anthony and Syracuse won the N.C.A.A. championship, a tournament in which Anthony led his team in shots taken and put up assist totals of 1, 2, 3, 1 and 1 in the first five games while taking the most shots on the team by far, put it, "He gets criticized for what he does, and thatís being an offensive machine. Iím tired of reading it. He doesnít play like LeBron James. He can pass, but heís a scorer. Heís an offensive force. Thatís what he does."

    Anthony played like James in his final game for Boeheim, scoring 20, grabbing 10 rebounds and dishing out seven assists. He's quite capable of playing team basketball.

    But he often chooses not to. And people have been noticing since around the time Jeremy Lin was going into junior high.

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    All I can say is that Carmelo doesn't seem to be handling the New York spotlight very well. The newspapermen are running him like a puppet.

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    Originally Posted by orangeblobman
    All I can say is that Carmelo doesn't seem to be handling the New York spotlight very well. The newspapermen are running him like a puppet.
    Agreed, he seems to fall into all of their traps. Maybe Kidd will help with the media, Joumana did coach the guy into delivering more than just simple blah.

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    Winning changes everything. If we make the ECF this year and make a consistent showing of going deep in the playoffs the criticism will stop.
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    The season needs to hurry up and start cause all this in the media and this forum is getting really repetitive. Non stop bias battles of Lin vs. Melo or Melo vs. Other NBA Stars or Melo vs. Stat even Melo vs. Barkley. Lol omg.

    I've never in my 20ish years of fallowing sports have I seen hate for your team's best player like I do here (and on a good team at that). It's funny how fans in other cities always support their team with all their faults. No team is perfect, no player is perfect but while he is here he is ours and he isn't going anywhere soon. Get over it.

    The response to this will prob be BUT MELO IS LAZY blah blah blah. If Melo is "lazy" then you're prob worthless. We are headed into a full season with one of the best rosters we have had in YEARS and yet ppl still find something to be pissed about to the fact that every thread eventually turns into a shouting match.

    I really could care less about Lin anymore. What happen happen now let's look at what we do have like Amar's dropping $100k to have Hakeem work with him for 2 weeks.


    "He gets criticized for what he does, and that’s being an offensive machine. I’m tired of reading it. He doesn’t play like LeBron James. He can pass, but he’s a scorer. He’s an offensive force. That’s what he does."

    Ps. Crazy8 this is not an attack on your post just some built up frustration from reading around this site. I just don't see much purpose in pointing fingers and saying "Look, he's selfish!" What changes by guys on a forum saying it over and over. It starts in practice with trust and with an older roster respect will go around to each locker. Same affect Tyson had will be increased with guys like Kidd, Felton, Camby and Thomas.

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    Originally Posted by MSGhobo247
    The season needs to hurry up and start cause all this in the media and this forum is getting really repetitive. Non stop bias battles of Lin vs. Melo or Melo vs. Other NBA Stars or Melo vs. Stat even Melo vs. Barkley. Lol omg.

    I've never in my 20ish years of fallowing sports have I seen hate for your team's best player like I do here (and on a good team at that). It's funny how fans in other cities always support their team with all their faults. No team is perfect, no player is perfect but while he is here he is ours and he isn't going anywhere soon. Get over it.

    The response to this will prob be BUT MELO IS LAZY blah blah blah. If Melo is "lazy" then you're prob worthless. We are headed into a full season with one of the best rosters we have had in YEARS and yet ppl still find something to be pissed about to the fact that every thread eventually turns into a shouting match.

    I really could care less about Lin anymore. What happen happen now let's look at what we do have like Amar's dropping $100k to have Hakeem work with him for 2 weeks.


    "He gets criticized for what he does, and thatís being an offensive machine. Iím tired of reading it. He doesnít play like LeBron James. He can pass, but heís a scorer. Heís an offensive force. Thatís what he does."

    Ps. Crazy8 this is not an attack on your post just some built up frustration from reading around this site. I just don't see much purpose in pointing fingers and saying "Look, he's selfish!" What changes by guys on a forum saying it over and over. It starts in practice with trust and with an older roster respect will go around to each locker. Same affect Tyson had will be increased with guys like Kidd, Felton, Camby and Thomas.

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    I have been following this site since 06 and that is the best post I've seen so far. It's amazing how fans want the teammates to be unified when you have media bias influencing fair weather fans to believe there is always a problem with the team, especially in New York. From Patrick Ewing to Marbury to now Melo there's always am attack on the teams best player and I just don't understand how you can claim to root for a team but hope that individual fails

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    Melo is delusional. He really is. He must have a very fragile ego. He says it doesn't bother him but then why have an exclusive interview with Stephen A. Smith during Linsanity and then this interview months later? Hell, Lin fans are over Lin faster than Melo is.

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    Originally Posted by mrknickcarter
    I have been following this site since 06 and that is the best post I've seen so far. It's amazing how fans want the teammates to be unified when you have media bias influencing fair weather fans to believe there is always a problem with the team, especially in New York. From Patrick Ewing to Marbury to now Melo there's always am attack on the teams best player and I just don't understand how you can claim to root for a team but hope that individual fails
    EXACTLY... If Melo fails then the Knicks fail PERIOD. There is a reason why he is on Team USA and why he's such a big part of what they do and I don't see any other player other then Durant able to do what he does (minus the inside game Melo possesses).

    I remember when things were really bad and watching our team lead by guys like Crawford, Randolph and Lee and getting torched by players like Melo and others of his level and wishing we could have someone of that consistency on our team. Now we have him and ppl want him to stop being Melo and start being a NY mold of Lebron. Not happening and not why we brought him here.





    That is what he does.
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    Jim. I'm no Lin fan. Nor am I in any way disappointed that he is no longer a Knick, but I think you're reading too much into any post relating to Lin. The Lin saga has obviously affected a significant part of the Knicks fan base and it's only natural that questions will be asked. This isn't a bad thing. It's summer, looks like our squad is more or less complete, and there's almost 3 months until we play our first game. Personally I'm done with Lin. Never thought he was (or will ever be) all that anyways. This doesn't mean I will not respect the fact that some people hold a different opinion to me, and that others-while not too disappointed he has gone- are trying to make some sense out of this. Point is you seem to be accusing anyone that posts something Lin related (which may not be of interest to you) of somehow attempting to divide the KO community, or having some other agenda. This isn't some sort of Lin backed conspiracy. It's a natural cycle of events that will occur in any social environment, where foundations have been shook. Let's not get all Gestapo on everyone.

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    Originally Posted by MSGhobo247
    The season needs to hurry up and start cause all this in the media and this forum is getting really repetitive. Non stop bias battles of Lin vs. Melo or Melo vs. Other NBA Stars or Melo vs. Stat even Melo vs. Barkley. Lol omg.

    I've never in my 20ish years of fallowing sports have I seen hate for your team's best player like I do here (and on a good team at that). It's funny how fans in other cities always support their team with all their faults. No team is perfect, no player is perfect but while he is here he is ours and he isn't going anywhere soon. Get over it.

    The response to this will prob be BUT MELO IS LAZY blah blah blah. If Melo is "lazy" then you're prob worthless. We are headed into a full season with one of the best rosters we have had in YEARS and yet ppl still find something to be pissed about to the fact that every thread eventually turns into a shouting match.

    I really could care less about Lin anymore. What happen happen now let's look at what we do have like Amar's dropping $100k to have Hakeem work with him for 2 weeks.


    "He gets criticized for what he does, and thatís being an offensive machine. Iím tired of reading it. He doesnít play like LeBron James. He can pass, but heís a scorer. Heís an offensive force. Thatís what he does."

    Ps. Crazy8 this is not an attack on your post just some built up frustration from reading around this site. I just don't see much purpose in pointing fingers and saying "Look, he's selfish!" What changes by guys on a forum saying it over and over. It starts in practice with trust and with an older roster respect will go around to each locker. Same affect Tyson had will be increased with guys like Kidd, Felton, Camby and Thomas.

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    Originally Posted by JaYnYcE
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    Winning changes everything. If we make the ECF this year and make a consistent showing of going deep in the playoffs the criticism will stop.
    The criticism will never stop until Melo leads the Knicks to a championship. He's in the same exact situation as A-Rod. It's a shame that such a great player needs to feel so denegrated by his own fanbase, but then so many Knicks fans have been doing this for so many years it's probably become a habit (or borderline obsession for some).

    That said, I don't think Melo helps his own cause with the things he says sometimes to the media. Much like A-Rod he tends to put his foot in his mouth on a regular basis even when he's just being honest & telling it like it is. He needs to be more sensitive to the fact that feeding the haters with potentially controversial comments is never going to be a positive.

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    Originally Posted by MSGhobo247
    The season needs to hurry up and start cause all this in the media and this forum is getting really repetitive. Non stop bias battles of Lin vs. Melo or Melo vs. Other NBA Stars or Melo vs. Stat even Melo vs. Barkley. Lol omg.

    I've never in my 20ish years of fallowing sports have I seen hate for your team's best player like I do here (and on a good team at that). It's funny how fans in other cities always support their team with all their faults. No team is perfect, no player is perfect but while he is here he is ours and he isn't going anywhere soon. Get over it.

    The response to this will prob be BUT MELO IS LAZY blah blah blah. If Melo is "lazy" then you're prob worthless. We are headed into a full season with one of the best rosters we have had in YEARS and yet ppl still find something to be pissed about to the fact that every thread eventually turns into a shouting match.

    I really could care less about Lin anymore. What happen happen now let's look at what we do have like Amar's dropping $100k to have Hakeem work with him for 2 weeks.


    "He gets criticized for what he does, and thatís being an offensive machine. Iím tired of reading it. He doesnít play like LeBron James. He can pass, but heís a scorer. Heís an offensive force. Thatís what he does."

    Ps. Crazy8 this is not an attack on your post just some built up frustration from reading around this site. I just don't see much purpose in pointing fingers and saying "Look, he's selfish!" What changes by guys on a forum saying it over and over. It starts in practice with trust and with an older roster respect will go around to each locker. Same affect Tyson had will be increased with guys like Kidd, Felton, Camby and Thomas.

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    Originally Posted by mrknickcarter
    I have been following this site since 06 and that is the best post I've seen so far. It's amazing how fans want the teammates to be unified when you have media bias influencing fair weather fans to believe there is always a problem with the team, especially in New York. From Patrick Ewing to Marbury to now Melo there's always am attack on the teams best player and I just don't understand how you can claim to root for a team but hope that individual fails
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    Crazy I keep telling you stick to the game threads....Leave the hoops analysis to others....KO.COM continues to be the basketball bizarro world where D-league point guards that play 25 games are superstars and established superstars are fat, lazy, and selfish. What's really going on here????? I am a Cardinals fan and haven't lost a wink because Albert took the money and ran west. Not a wink. It's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back. All you Lin fans are more than welcome to jump on Houston's bandwagon because they will need u

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Crazy I keep telling you stick to the game threads....Leave the hoops analysis to others....KO.COM continues to be the basketball bizarro world where D-league point guards that play 25 games are superstars and established superstars are fat, lazy, and selfish. What's really going on here????? I am a Cardinals fan and haven't lost a wink because Albert took the money and ran west. Not a wink. It's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back. All you Lin fans are more than welcome to jump on Houston's bandwagon because they will need u


    It's an article, Jim.

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