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    Originally Posted by Peter
    Heat,Celtics,Nets,Bulls

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    Why the bulls so high? Rose is missing half this season (most likely wont come back until some time after the all-star break, who knows how he'll perform even when he does return) & the Nets have yet to prove anything yet

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    Lin is probably a 10-15 leverl PG right now, but he is only 24 with lots of potential. What about felton? Can he make top 20? Why no team want him? How can that be a upgrade? Dont be delutional.

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    Originally Posted by NYk_Reloaded718
    Why the bulls so high? Rose is missing half this season (most likely wont come back until some time after the all-star break, who knows how he'll perform even when he does return) & the Nets have yet to prove anything yet
    Bulls is a good team even without rose, they got more rebounds and second-chance play than any other teams. Nets have yet to prove anything , knicks has already proved that melo and stat dont play well together for the last two years.

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    Originally Posted by NYk_Reloaded718
    Lin helped us beat

    The Lakers "who just came off of back to back games"

    The Bulls "D.rose just came back from injury & wasn't fully healthy"

    The Mavs "who came out dead last season & played like sh*t overall as a team"

    All the other teams we were SUPPOSE to beat they weren't even playoff teams (except the Hawks and jazz)

    And now Lin is one of the top Pg's in the NBA?


    Yep. Why are you making excuses for those teams??

    The Lakers and Bulls were v good teams last year.

    Also not all teams are this supposed automatic L after back to back games.

    I'll grant you Dallas was not at top form last season, especially after losing Chandler, but Lin really raped em.. to the tune of 27points, 14 assists and 5 steals.

    And they were 8th in D rating and 12th in opp points per game last season.

    They're team D was nothing to sneeze at.

    He beat good teams. Why try to to pook holes and find excuses for the good play.

    Originally Posted by NYk_Reloaded718
    Well played sir.

    Originally Posted by NYk_Reloaded718
    Lets not forget teams were still trying to figure out Lin's strengths and weaknesses during this "LINSANITY" spurt.
    You mean they couldn't figure them out. Because he has so few.. and his strengths actually cover some of the ones that people think he has.

    Please actually read this..

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    When a guy can run a pick and roll 100 times throughout one game and give you multiple different looks off quick reads at this point in his career, you gotta recognize. The kid has the mental and physical skills to really play at a high level in the League.

    Read the whole thing please. Lin is real.

    Originally Posted by NYk_Reloaded718
    This is LIN after MIAMI ripped the soul out of Lin and killed the Linsanity ERA on February 23... i'm sure we all know what happened there.

    Mar 12 @ CHI L 99 - 104 //// 4 - 11
    Mar 11 vs. PHI L 94 - 106 //// 5 - 18
    Mar 09 @ MIL L 114 - 119 //// 8 - 14
    Mar 07 @ SAS L 105 - 118 //// 7 - 15
    Mar 06 @ DAL L 85 - 95 //// 4 - 13
    Mar 04 @ BOS L 111-115 //// 6-16

    ^^^^^^^ Lin after the Heat exposed him.
    You picked out all of the bad games. That's easy.

    After the Miami game he averaged 14.9 ppg, 6.8 assist, which is not bad for a so-called struggling player.

    Originally Posted by NYk_Reloaded718
    I'm not bashing Lin or saying he's a terrible player (i wish him the best of luck next season) my point is "He's just not their yet, however i feel he has alot of potential"
    Yes you are. I don't know why your so eager to try to point out that we really won't be missing anything re Lin's departure.

    Fact is we lost a significant amount of talent that we will not be able to replace.Do you work for Dolan? Do get his meds and coffee in the morning and rub his toes at night?? Jk lol.

    But seriously you have to understand what has happened here NYK reloaded.

    We reloaded/ retooled, but in a half-assed sort of way by picking up two players that might be has-beens, and the overweight Felton, who's coming off an awful season when should have simply resigned Lin.
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    Originally Posted by CA7
    Lin "Can" finish with his left but he cant handle pressure when being guarded by stout defenders "Mario Chalmers". Lin's flaws are being over looked because he was never game planned for, but when he was he **** the bed, pissed his pants and tucked his tail between his legs and ran.

    Ty Lawson's numbers 16.4 pts, 6.6 ast, 48/36/82, 2.75-1 A/TO ratio in his 1st year playing as a full time starter. There's only 5 or 6 PG's I'd prolly take over Ty.

    Also numbers dont tell the whole story, Lawson runs his team like a real floor general and defends his position well while being undersized
    Listen I like Ty, but there's quite a few more players than 5 that I'd pick before him.

    You really taking Ty before Kyrie? Curry? Nash? Parker? Westbrook? Common man.

    The game against Miami is JUST one game. All players can have a bad game. People put way too much stock into that one famed bed-****ting. Miami came out Like it was game seven in ECF, loaded for bear like Lin said foul **** about each of their moms before the game. They took that game personally. Players have to fall, pick themselves up and learn from their mistakes. Why make it more than it was?

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    I dont understand why so many people bash lin using one miami game. He is a good team player and played so hard for knicks. Which top 10 PG can be sure to win the 7 games like lin without melo and stat at that time? He did leave for houston, but he has no choice but one contract, why knicks did not sigh lin just as the same way they signed novak?

    Lin does not deserve all of the bashing especially from knicks fans.

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    Well i think everybody made some great points here but I gotta lean towards what Ron Ron said. He made a great point about all the different things Lin already knows how to do coming off a pick. He has alotta talent and a high iq, hes a good athlete. I cant say exactly how good or great he will be but I would think he'll prove early next season that hes at least a top 10 point guard. His potential is crazy though, he has as much potential as any player i can think of off the top. I wonder what woulda happened if the word from the Knicks was a little more humble instead of saying they would pay a billion to match Lin
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    Originally Posted by Peter
    Bulls is a good team even without rose, they got more rebounds and second-chance play than any other teams. Nets have yet to prove anything , knicks has already proved that melo and stat dont play well together for the last two years.
    I think it'll be a bumpy ride for the bulls this season. A big part of the reason they were successful last season was because of their deep bench. They lost Korver, Watson, Lucas, brewer and asik their whole bench.

    Gibson off the bench is solid for the bulls

    but

    Watson is replaced with "kirk hinrich" this guy average 6 ppg and 2apg in 25mpg last season with 5 ppg in the playoffs. ( IMO- Downgrade)

    Asik is replaced with "Nazar Mohammed" terrible Downgrade (no debating)

    Korver is replaced with "Bellenelii" both are good shooters but korver is takes the cake home with this one he's the better of the 2 (SLIGHT downgrade)

    Brewer is replaced with jimmy butler (debatable upgrade or downgrade)

    Lucas is replaced with "nate robinson" (fair enough replacement)

    after that the rest of your bench is what? rookie teague and radmonvic

    Problem 1 - can Hinrich run the offense for the bulls as smooth as Watson did? Watson flat out had the better season last year and looked to be a ideal fit for the bulls.

    Problem 2- Who from their bench will step up and provide points on consistent basis?

    Problem 3- can the bulls match their same defensive intensity as their previous season? another reason the bulls were very successful was not only because of their second chance rebounding but their defense was a big factor, so what happens now that their defense has clearly downgraded.

    problem 4- How will Dengs wrist hold up, since he claims he "DOESN't" need surgery and feels fine.

    it'll be interesting to see what happens over in chi-town this season, you maybe right they might be just fine...im skeptical though.
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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Yep. Why are you making excuses for those teams??

    The Lakers and Bulls were v good teams last year.

    Also not all teams are this supposed automatic L after back to back games.

    I'll grant you Dallas was not at top form last season, especially after losing Chandler, but Lin really raped em.. to the tune of 27points, 14 assists and 5 steals.

    And they were 8th in D rating and 12th in opp points per game last season.

    They're team D was nothing to sneeze at.

    He beat good teams. Why try to to pook holes and find excuses for the good play.



    Well played sir.



    You mean they couldn't figure them out. Because he has so few.. and his strengths actually cover some of the ones that people think he has.

    Please actually read this..

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    When a guy can run a pick and roll 100 times throughout one game and give you multiple different looks off quick reads at this point in his career, you gotta recognize. The kid has the mental and physical skills to really play at a high level in the League.

    Read the whole thing please. Lin is real.



    You picked out all of the bad games. That's easy.

    After the Miami game he averaged 14.9 ppg, 6.8 assist, which is not bad for a so-called struggling player.



    Yes you are. I don't know why your so eager to try to point out that we really won't be missing anything re Lin's departure.

    Fact is we lost a significant amount of talent that we will not be able to replace.Do you work for Dolan? Do get his meds and coffee in the morning and rub his toes at night?? Jk lol.

    But seriously you have to understand what has happened here NYK reloaded.

    We reloaded/ retooled, but in a half-assed sort of way by picking up two players that might be has-beens, and the overweight Felton, who'd coming off an awful season when should have simply resigned Lin.
    Now to you Mr Rono lol, i'm not making excuses i just call it how i see it and now that i think about it.... that was Carmelo that beat the bulls i have to do some re-editing Lin took a L to the D-rose and the bulls 99-104

    I'll even give you Lin beating the Lakers and Dallas (no excuses it was impressive, ill give him the benefit of the doubt and tip my hat to him)

    but back to the point, yes i picked out the bad games, because outside of the Lakers and Mavs look what teams the GOOD GAMES actually came from, WIZARDS, MINNY, KINGS, RAPTORS, CAVS, PORTLAND, DETROIT does this really impress you?? what other games stand out? the back to back games vs the Pacers? i tip my hat to him for those 2 games as well but what else is there? the truth of the matter is majority the teams Lin played SUCKED and were NON CONTENDING teams, so no i refuse to give Lin a gold star and award him as a top 10 PG in this league no way no how lol. I put out those bad games on purpose to prove a point which, is after the MIAMI HEAT broke down Lin, teams caught onto how to defend Lin which is why he struggled.

    People use that "ONE GAME WITH MIAMI" because that one game destroyed all the Lin hype.

    Boston- good team = Lin took a L
    Chitown- Good team = Lin took a L
    Spurs- good team = Lin took a L
    Sixers- good team = Lin took a L
    Dallas rematch = Lin took a L
    Bucks-Hungry team looking for a playoff spot = Lin took a L

    all these games came right after the Heat exposed Lin like i said in the previous post, so did the heat show the world something about Lin? or was golden boy Lin just in a little 6 game losing streak slump & shot poorly because the competition went up a notch and teams were more aware/prepared?

    We lost a significant amount of talent you say? Whats more important watching Lin fall on his a$$ turning the ball over while we continue to help him learn from his mistakes and improve his game, or trying to win NOW and bring a championship to New York while carmelo and Amare are still in their prime???

    in my honest opinion keeping Lin next to Carmelo for the long run would of been a nightmare, Lin is the type of PG that thrives off the ball being in his hands, he's better when he's in control. Playing next to Carmelo and Amare with Woodson as your coach i feel is taking away from Lins talents as well as his production, he needs room and time to improve giving him to the rockets puts him in the best position he can be in (he has his own team) (the ball will always be in his hands) (he can learn from his mistakes with no penalties) he can fully develop with the rockets, in time we will see what Lin is actually made of but as of right now is he this TOP 10 PG people make him out to be?? I just dont see it yet maybe Lin will make me eat crow this season.


    I disagree about felton being overweight he's slimmed down alot from the recent pics iv'e seen, but i do agree what he brings to the knicks this season will be very unpredictable seeing how he struggled last season. Hopefully he can regain focus and help lead us through a successful season, i'm more confident with Felton @ PG than i am with Lin and i have my reasons, i just feel Felton & Carmelo are a better fit to play by each other and Felton will commit less Turnovers and mistakes than Lin because he has more NBA years under his belt and has alot more experience (which also includes playoff experience) is that so wrong?

    and i'd definitely get Dolans meds, coffee and rub his toes if he were to write me out a big fat check yeah i said it
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    Ty Lawson is definitely better than Lin...

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    Originally Posted by NYk_Reloaded718


    Now to you Mr Rono lol, i'm not making excuses i just call it how i see it and now that i think about it.... that was Carmelo that beat the bulls i have to do some re-editing Lin took a L to the D-rose and the bulls 99-104

    I'll even give you Lin beating the Lakers and Dallas (no excuses it was impressive, ill give him the benefit of the doubt and tip my hat to him)

    but back to the point, yes i picked out the bad games, because outside of the Lakers and Mavs look what teams did the GOOD GAMES actually come from, WIZARDS, MINNY, KINGS, RAPTORS, CAVS, PORTLAND, DETROIT does this really impress you?? what other games stand out? the back to back games vs the Pacers? i tip my hat to him for those 2 games as well but what else is there? the truth of the matter is majority the teams Lin played SUCKED and were NON CONTENDING teams, so no i refuse to give Lin a gold star and award him as a top 10 PG in this league no way no how lol. I put out those bad games on purpose to prove a point which is after the MIAMI HEAT broke down Lin, teams caught onto how to defend Lin which is why he struggled.

    People use that "ONE GAME WITH MIAMI" because that one game destroyed all the Lin hype.

    Boston- good team = Lin took a L
    Chitown- Good team = Lin took a L
    Spurs- good team = Lin took a L
    Sixers- good team = Lin took a L
    Dallas rematch = Lin took a L
    Bucks-Hungry team looking for a playoff spot = Lin took a L

    all these games came right after the Heat exposed Lin like i said in the previous post, so did the heat show the world something about Lin? or was golden boy Lin just in a little 6 game losing streak slump because the competition went up a notch?

    We lost a significant amount of talent you say? Whats more important watching Lin fall on his a$$ turning the ball over while we continue to help him learn from his mistakes and improve his game, or trying to win NOW and bring a championship to New York while carmelo and Amare are still in their prime???

    in my honest opinion keeping Lin next to Carmelo for the long run would of been a nightmare, Lin is the type of PG that thrives off the ball being in his hands, he's better when he's in control. Playing next to Carmelo and Amare with Woodson as your coach i feel is taking away from Lins talents as well as his production, he needs room and time to improve giving him to the rockets puts him in the best position he can be in (he has his own team) (the ball will always be in his hands) (he can learn from his mistakes with no penalties) he can fully develop with the rockets, in time we will see what Lin is actually made of but as of right now is he this TOP 10 PG people make him out to be?? I just dont see it yet maybe Lin will make me eat crow this season.


    I disagree about felton being overweight he's slimmed down alot from the recent pics iv'e seen but i do agree what he brings to the knicks this season will be very unpredictable seeing how he struggled last season. Hopefully he can regain focus and help lead us through a successful season, i'm more confident with Felton @ PG than i am with Lin and i have my reasons, i just feel Felton & Carmelo are a better fit to play by each other and Felton will commit less Turnovers and mistakes than Lin because he has more NBA years under his belt and has alot more experience is that so wrong?

    and i'd definitely get Dolans meds, coffee and rub his toes if he were to write me out a big fat check yeah i said it
    In fairness to Lin, after the Miami game the Knicks went 7-7. Yes they won against crap teams with the exception of a win against the Sixers. But when you consider that we ended up a seven seed going in to the playoffs, were we really supposed to beat those teams you list? Plus factor in we had a PG that was learning on the job so to speak. We beat the teams we were supposed to beat and you take that.

    Felton could prolly stand to lose a couple more pounds, although he does play well anyway with a couple of extra percentage points of body fat on him. I agree that he's slimmed and I'll take him at the weight he is currently.

    I agree with you that Felton is prolly the right guy to run the team with Woodson as our coach and Melo being the ball-stopper he is. Lin is just more dynamic though.

    IMO better player > better fit/ worse player.

    If Melo and Woodson had any common sense they'd be all for letting the game be made easier by the devasting Lin/Tyson/Amare pick and roll run for stretches in games. Melo could till get his touches for stretches. During the P n R stretches w Lin options open up for Melo as they did for Novak. Melo was never open to this type of play and this was v short-sighted of him. I don't believe for a sec that Melo can't simply catch and shoot. He is prolific. I hesitate to call him stupid but he's prolly a lil stupid and stubborn for this.

    I think it could have worked between Woodson, Melo and Lin. However, I believe the former two did not want this to happen, along with our owner, and I will be forever PO'd re this.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    In fairness to Lin, after the Miami game the Knicks went 7-7. Yes they won against crap teams with the exception of a win against the Sixers. But when you consider that we ended up a seven seed going in to the playoffs, were we really supposed to beat those teams you list? Plus factor in we had a PG that was learning on the job so to speak. We beat the teams we were supposed to beat and you take that.

    Felton could prolly stand to lose a couple more pounds, although he does play well anyway with a couple of extra percentage points of body fat on him. I agree that he's slimmed and I'll take him at the weight he is currently.

    I agree with you that Felton is prolly the right guy to run the team with Woodson as our coach and Melo being the ball-stopper he is. Lin is just more dynamic though.

    IMO better player > better fit/ worse player.

    If Melo and Woodson had any common sense they'd be all for letting the game be made easier by the devasting Lin/Tyson/Amare pick and roll run for stretches in games. Melo could till get his touches for stretches. During the P n R stretches w Lin options open up for Melo as they did for Novak. Melo was never open to this type of play and this was v short-sighted of him. I don't believe for a sec that Melo can't simply catch and shoot. He is prolific. I hesitate to call him stupid but he's prolly a lil stupid and stubborn for this.

    I think it could have worked between Woodson, Melo and Lin. However, I believe the former two did not want this to happen, along with our owner, and I will be forever PO'd re this.
    I think we were suppose to beat those teams i listed we had

    "Linsanity"
    Melo
    Chandler
    Amare

    im expecting a W against anyone we were to play +20 point game blow outs but i see where your coming from.

    Felton will probably shed more pounds when training camp starts up like always, it's just a matter of if he can continue to stay in shape throughout the season.

    Carmelo is the best player on the Knicks and woody is going to run the offense through him no matter what (Lin or no Lin), though i expect stat to get more touches this season (pause). This is why i say Lin is better off in Houston and were better off with Felton. Woody is not going to play Dantoni ball and run P&R with Lin and chandler all day while Amare and Carmelo catch and shoot when open, he's going to go with his proven star players sitting on the big fat contracts and run the offense through them, it's their job to make something happen.

    I don't believe woody fully ever even fully trusted Lin @ PG the way Dantoni did just from looking at his body language and listening to after game interviews
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    I think the Felton situation is very overrated, im not worried about him at all. Im convinced that he wants to win here in NY and will give it his best. Usually players get a half pass when theres a shortened season, not saying i necessarily agree with that but people will forget he was outta shape last year.

    Lets be real...the Bulls will be trash next year. Not worried about them at all. After Miami i think the 2nd best record is obtainable for a number of teams...Knicks, Celtics, Pacers, 76ers. But not the Bulls or Nets

    At the end of the day how good or great we are is dependent on how well Stat plays. I have a good idea of what to expect from everybody else

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Listen I like Ty, but there's quite a few more players than 5 that I'd pick before him.

    You really taking Ty before Kyrie? Curry? Nash? Parker? Westbrook? Common man.

    The game against Miami is JUST one game. All players can have a bad game. People put way too much stock into that one famed bed-****ting. Miami came out Like it was game seven in ECF, loaded for bear like Lin said foul **** about each of their moms before the game. They took that game personally. Players have to fall, pick themselves up and learn from their mistakes. Why make it more than it was?
    Ty Lawson was a rare case, played in college for a while, came into the league as a back up. Lawson is a victim of non-hype similar to how Billups was extremely under valued for years even after winning a title.

    Lawson at the moment is better than Kyrie/Curry/Nash he's in the 2nd tier of elite PG's

    1st Tier- Paul/Rose/Rondo/Williams
    2nd Tier- Lawson/Westbrook

    all Elite Lawson just needs to lead Denver out the 1st Round and Westbrook needs to run the show better he's too much of a scorer

    Ask any basketball savvy person, Ty Lawson is legit in every way like I said if he was 6'2/6'3 he'd be even better

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    ^I wouldn't say he's better than Kyrie.. but he's definitely on his level atm

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina



    [I]You picked out all of the bad games. That's easy.

    After the Miami game he averaged 14.9 ppg, 6.8 assist, which is not bad for a so-called struggling player.
    15/7 is still not as good as what Felton averaged last time he played for us. Add to that his 3 TO per game, and you have a fairly average PG. A condensed season with no prior conditioning involved favours average players with a point to prove. It compresses the gap between elite/good/average players. Even under such a favourable environment, Lin failed to appear as anything more than just a good PG. Next season his true basketball colours will be revealed, and they wont be anywhere near as impressive as many of you like to think.

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