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    Sheed signing is official and we now have the oldest team in NBA History.

    Now....this "Oldest Team in NBA History" is over exxggeratted because
    1.all of the above 37 year old players were brought in as backup and T.C. is our oldest starter at 30

    2. 2 of the plus 36 year old players are not expected to play (Pablo P. and Kurt) so that sway's the statistic....in theory we could dead the statistic by just cutting KurThomas and signing one of the 3 rookies working out!


    Anyways.....so The Knicks plan is embraced by Knick fans and mocked by everyone else (what else is new) but at the end of the day it will have proven to be an affective method or a bust.

    I think bringing in former All Stars as role players is brilliant. I thought it was a smart move for Boston to have added Sam Cassell (39 years old) when they won The NBA Championship. It was smart of for Mia. to have added Gary Payton when they won their first NBA Championship.



    Karl Malone was 40 when The Lakers signed him (and 36 year old Payton)




    Ron Harper won his first NBA Championship as a Bulls PG at 35 and last w/ Lakers at 38







    David Robinson won his last Championship at 37

    Older players are the perfect role players in my opinion


    See there is a lot more balance with age than people think.....see for every over 37 player actually expected to play there is a young player playing in front of them who is expected to do the leg work

    Kidd/Felton
    Camby/Tyson
    Sheed/Stat

    Only time will tell how it plays out

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    During the regular season Kurt Thomas > Sheed

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    I don't see the age of the team as a problem because we're not asking old guys to come in and drop 30 points a game, we're just asking them to be role players, to come in and fill the little holes we need to patch up and that's what they're supposed to do and that's what they're more than able to do with their experience.

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    I really liked this offseason, can anyone think of a major hole in our roster? Team chemistry will be a solid issue this year but we have 3 capable point guards who will mesh well with the roster.

    Instead of going for home runs, we patched every hole in the roster, and when 100% healthy, have exceptional depth at the 1,2 and 5. Not to mention 2 capable small forwards and a solid PF rotation.

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    Originally Posted by 21 Shump Street
    I really liked this offseason, can anyone think of a major hole in our roster? Team chemistry will be a solid issue this year but we have 3 capable point guards who will mesh well with the roster.

    Instead of going for home runs, we patched every hole in the roster, and when 100% healthy, have exceptional depth at the 1,2 and 5. Not to mention 2 capable small forwards and a solid PF rotation.
    we need another knock down shooter with consistency, thats about it

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    Brilliant thread! Love it.

    I think one thing to consider with the listed role players is that they all came in to well founded systems, none of which had any real question marks regarding the roles and impact of its individuals. David Robinson still was basically the founding stone of SA's system and was just replaced by Duncan.

    Harper, Payton, Cassell were all brought in to previously established systems, while the Knicks are still kind of stuck in purgatory with their 2 highest payed players. Add to that new players at the point (pivotal position), trying to get STAT and Melo working after a dismal season together last year, as well. I think there's going to have to be some real baby steps for this time in some areas.

    Still, I love the thread! Gotta love thinking outside of the box.

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    Yeah our core is still on the young side so its not a fair statement to say we are the oldest in nba history..

    If people wanna talk about whos Old it should be the Lakers. Everyone on that starting team other than Dwight is over 30 and well past their primes

    However the only thing that worries me is that if we have any injuries to our starters our age could really start to show. I think we really could have used maybe one or two more young athletic forwards
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    Originally Posted by 21 Shump Street
    I really liked this offseason, can anyone think of a major hole in our roster? Team chemistry will be a solid issue this year but we have 3 capable point guards who will mesh well with the roster.

    Instead of going for home runs, we patched every hole in the roster, and when 100% healthy, have exceptional depth at the 1,2 and 5. Not to mention 2 capable small forwards and a solid PF rotation.
    YES ......we do not have a solid consistant knock down 2 guard....
    With that said I like the roster...
    But to me thats our weakness.

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    YES ......we do not have a solid consistant knock down 2 guard....
    With that said I like the roster...
    But to me thats our weakness.
    No more 2 guards!!

    We already have 3 when at full strength so another 2 guard would get NOOO burn at all after the first week or so. Brewer is not far from coming back and Dantoni got us in this mindset that we need so many shooters.

    We have enough 3 pt threats and 1 assassin.

    Melo
    Jr.
    Kidd
    Felton
    Novak
    Shump (can hit)
    Sheed

    Come the playoffs its all about getting easy shots inside anyway so why waste another spot on a guy getting no burn.
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    Originally Posted by MSGhobo247
    No more 2 guards!!

    We already have 3 when at full strength so another 2 guard would get NOOO burn at all after the first week or so. Brewer is not far from coming back and Dantoni got us in this mindset that we need so many shooters.

    We have enough 3 pt threats and 1 assassin.

    Melo
    Jr.
    Kidd
    Felton
    Novak
    Shump (can hit)
    Sheed

    Come the playoffs its all about getting easy shots inside anyway so why waste another spot on a guy getting no burn.
    Novak is the only one I can guarantee shooting +40%

    Miami has Battier/Miller/Chalmer/Jones and Judas Shuttlesworth

    we need JR to be a more consistent 3 point shooter 45% at least along with Melo/Felton/Kidd

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    Novak is the only one I can guarantee shooting +40%

    Miami has Battier/Miller/Chalmer/Jones and Judas Shuttlesworth

    we need JR to be a more consistent 3 point shooter 45% at least along with Melo/Felton/Kidd
    All I'm saying is if you really REALLY want another shooter then it should prob be a 3. The 2 spot on this team is locked up. Get a Shawne Williams type...
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    We should be fine this season, but we are not going to get younger for at least three seasons. Camby and Kidd have three year contracts. We do have a 1st round draft pick this year -2013, but not 2014, and hopefully this year's will be very late in Round 1.

    It is a shame that our only truly promising non-veteran is Shumpert. I count Felton, JR and Novak veterans. I do not count White, Shurna, or Copeland as particularly promising. Shumpert will learn an awful lot from the players who have already had stellar careers.

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    Originally Posted by MSGhobo247
    All I'm saying is if you really REALLY want another shooter then it should prob be a 3. The 2 spot on this team is locked up. Get a Shawne Williams type...
    I mean 2/3 same thing, remember we can go with JR/Shumpert/Brewer at the 3 as well as the 2 depending on what a team puts out on the floor

    but there really isn't a knockdown shooter on the market......Kapono?

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    I mean 2/3 same thing, remember we can go with JR/Shumpert/Brewer at the 3 as well as the 2 depending on what a team puts out on the floor

    but there really isn't a knockdown shooter on the market......Kapono?
    I see where you're coming from but I just don't see the need. It's not like we are taking Novak out and putting in Kopono for the sake that they are nearly the same exact player. Shooter and nothing else which is a liability on defense... the same goes for if they are in the game at the same time, which would only be fore a play or 2. Novak doesn't play enough to need a substitute that does the exact same thing when he subs out. You put him in then take him out then repeat. 1 snipper works fine and that's what most teams have in the NBA.

    When a player like Novak or Kapono is subbed into the game the opposing team knows to attack that player over and over again. So having multiple shooting specialist on this team hurts rather then helps. Defenders and athletes who are capable of hitting the 3 is much more valuable.

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    Originally Posted by Oldtimer
    We should be fine this season, but we are not going to get younger for at least three seasons. Camby and Kidd have three year contracts. We do have a 1st round draft pick this year -2013, but not 2014, and hopefully this year's will be very late in Round 1.

    It is a shame that our only truly promising non-veteran is Shumpert. I count Felton, JR and Novak veterans. I do not count White, Shurna, or Copeland as particularly promising. Shumpert will learn an awful lot from the players who have already had stellar careers.
    Well I think Kidd and Camby have too much pride in themselves and their game to play beyond the years of production for 3 million dollars.

    I see them both retiring after next seaon.

    Plus in three years from now we'll have only like 12 million committed to payroll, we'll have a first rounder that off season so I can live with being an older team til then

    I mean unlike the Isiah years when it was years of losing and watching the payroll increase each year with no end in sight, we are actually a good team that has a solid rebuilding plan if we don't win a title in the near future.

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