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    Announcement What criticisms do you have for the team or its individuals after 7 games?

    This is not a reactionary thread!

    This is a thinker's thread. We'll see who has been deducing the ins and outs of Woodson's crew.

    An analytical thread.

    You may well learn something you didn't know.

    Please don't come in with the typical reactionary BS Knick fans conjure up after a loss.
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    I'll kick off with an easy one to avoid rattling on.

    ★ I don't like the way Felton has been denying Melo the ball in the high post. It's been specific only to occasion, but has happened far too often. In the past 2 away games I've noted that Felton has been reluctant to pass the ball to Melo as he muscles for position.

    The reasoning is questionable, but the rights to the offence are Melo's

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    I wish Chandler would actually show up each game and be consistent like last year.

    The whole team needs to pick up the defense BIG time in the first half and be much more aggressive on the boards. Going small doesn't help our rebounding, but we need to do better.

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    I've said it all season offensive rebounds are killing our great defensive stops.

    We are playing 24 good seconds of defense and some no name player is just scooping up the ball and getting a layup each time off the rebounds...those kill momentum for us and gives momentum to the other team.


    I do not mind Novak's shooting slump (he'll come out of it) but I do mind his all of a sudden bad shot selection...he never took many shots over defenders before and now he's seemingly forcing shots...the misses are affecting his confidence. He needs to utilize the shot fake more...get a guy flying by him and then even stepping into a 3 or heaven forbid drive towards the basket to either set up a teammate with a hockey assist or just simply a closer shot.


    I said this before last night's loss that Woody needs to play Camby....there really is nothing more to it! I get that he needs to be in better conditioning...but 12 minutes from him will make a difference. We suck at rebounding Camby led the league in rebs per 48 minutes...not Rocket science!

    Chandler has to rebound better...he has never been a player who grabs a ton of rebounds...but that has to change a little. Chandler is basically a tall Scottie Pippen because of his versatility on defense (which is a huge huge plus for us and why he is a better defender than Dwight) but he needs to channel his inner Oakley! He needs to be counted on for 10 per game....

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    - Rebounding: I'm wondering what's the point of having such a deep frontcourt while we barely use our bigs. Chandler has underachieved lately, a top five center averaging less than 10 boards is unacceptable and there is no excuse for letting Camby, who's an excellent rebounder, to rot on the bench. In my opinion it's about time to move Carmelo back to the small forward position, we lack size and anyone who watched the Memphis game would agree defensively we looked much better with Sheed and Chandler playing respectively the PF and C spots;

    - Ball movement: while almost every analyst starts jerking off while talking about the Knicks ball movement I realize our offense has been much more stagnant recently, there's been much more isolation and over-dribbling, not to mention we rely too much on our three point shooting. I'm wondering, where is that extra pass coach Woodson talked about?

    - Whining about each and every call: frankly, what the **** is Carmelo thinking? It's ridiculous how many T's he's already got and how many points we allowed with CA discussing with referees instead of getting his ass back to defense.

    Summurizing, I believe we needed that L, it'll take a lot of pressure off our guys, but there is still plenty of work to do.

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    That loss was the best thing to happen because we have fvckin ego's that need to be checked. I love Melo but just stfu and play,the refs are a$$holes we get it.

    I have ZERO complaints about JR SWISH. Absolute beast so far.

    My biggest complaint so far is the pu$$y we have at Center, reigning Defensive Player of the Year and he's playing like a straight B!TCH.
    I love the ManHandler so when he actually shows up I'll be happy.

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    - Rebounding: I'm wondering what's the point of having such a deep frontcourt while we barely use our bigs. Chandler has underachieved lately, a top five center averaging less than 10 boards is unacceptable and there is no excuse for letting Camby, who's an excellent rebounder, to rot on the bench. In my opinion it's about time to move Carmelo back to the small forward position, we lack size and anyone who watched the Memphis game would agree defensively we looked much better with Sheed and Chandler playing respectively the PF and C spots;

    - Ball movement: while almost every analyst starts jerking off while talking about the Knicks ball movement I realize our offense has been much more stagnant recently, there's been much more isolation and over-dribbling, not to mention we rely too much on our three point shooting. I'm wondering, where is that extra pass coach Woodson talked about?

    - Whining about each and every call: frankly, what the **** is Carmelo thinking? It's ridiculous how many T's he's already got and how many points we allowed with CA discussing with referees instead of getting his ass back to defense.

    Summurizing, I believe we needed that L, it'll take a lot of pressure off our guys, but there is still plenty of work to do.
    I agree that its time to move Carmelo back to the three spot. It will be a smart move to improve interior rebounding (Rasheed seems to be a better rebounder than I expected), and it can be a chance for Melo to get used to playing in the three spot once Amar'e returns. Moving him back to the three won't hurt, IMO. We have Camby and Kurt to back up our bigs.

    ...and why didn't Camby get any playing time against the Grizz? It was clear that we were getting destroyed on the boards. I'm surprised Woody didn't let him play... maybe the Cambyman is injured again?

    and to answer the OP's question...

    Melo needs to stop complaining to the refs when he doesn't get a call. I can let it slide if it happens once in ten games but he does it every ****ing game. It costs us a technical foul sometimes and he doesn't run back on defense when he gets frustrated. Don't get me wrong, his defense is much improved compared to last season, but its these little things that he's got to control. I hope Woody or the vets can talk to him about it.. 16 techs are the limit before a suspension and he already has FIVE. (On a side note, I can't believe Rasheed hasn't commited a technical yet.)

    There's nothing more I can complain about our play though, I think our lack of rebounding stems from our style of play and our propensity to play small ball, which has been effective so far. Once Camby gets regular playing time, I expect us to improve in that department because we'll have excellent rebounding from positions one to five on the floor at times:

    A line up of...
    Kidd
    Brewer
    Melo
    Camby
    Chandler
    ....should be a great rebounding unit for our team.
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    Originally Posted by MeloforMayor
    On a side note, I can't believe Rasheed hasn't commited a technical yet.
    He did, last night he ran away from the ref after commiting a personal and was awarded with a T.

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    We have to utilized our tools.

    Camby
    Thomas

    If we clean up the boards, we'll win games cleaner.

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    He did, last night he ran away from the ref after commiting a personal and was awarded with a T.


    I can't believe I missed Sheed's first technical as a Knick. Just saw it on Youtube.



    That was a bull**** call by the ref. Possibly one of the undeserving technicals I've seen. A technical for running after a clean block? Jesus Christ.

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    Its just one game guys..calm down..melo is good at the four and chandler will rebound..

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    we need to rebound the ball better, shoot free throws better and come out with stronger defensive intensity.. im pretty much satisfied with everything else im seeing.

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    i think woodson needs to do like the spurs and go with different lineups based on matchups. when we face bigger teams like the grizzlies the advantage melo might have on the offensive end gets negated by the size they give up on the defensive end. i also think chandler's play hasn't been great because he's the only true low post defender on the court when woodson goes small.

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    I've said it all season offensive rebounds are killing our great defensive stops.

    We are playing 24 good seconds of defense and some no name player is just scooping up the ball and getting a layup each time off the rebounds...those kill momentum for us and gives momentum to the other team.

    I said this before last night's loss that Woody needs to play Camby....there really is nothing more to it! I get that he needs to be in better conditioning...but 12 minutes from him will make a difference. We suck at rebounding Camby led the league in rebs per 48 minutes...not Rocket science!

    Chandler has to rebound better...he has never been a player who grabs a ton of rebounds...but that has to change a little. Chandler is basically a tall Scottie Pippen because of his versatility on defense (which is a huge huge plus for us and why he is a better defender than Dwight) but he needs to channel his inner Oakley! He needs to be counted on for 10 per game....

    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    - Rebounding: I'm wondering what's the point of having such a deep frontcourt while we barely use our bigs. Chandler has underachieved lately, a top five center averaging less than 10 boards is unacceptable and there is no excuse for letting Camby, who's an excellent rebounder, to rot on the bench. In my opinion it's about time to move Carmelo back to the small forward position, we lack size and anyone who watched the Memphis game would agree defensively we looked much better with Sheed and Chandler playing respectively the PF and C spots;
    Originally Posted by NY17KNICKS
    That loss was the best thing to happen because we have fvckin ego's that need to be checked. I love Melo but just stfu and play,the refs are a$$holes we get it.

    I have ZERO complaints about JR SWISH. Absolute beast so far.

    My biggest complaint so far is the pu$$y we have at Center, reigning Defensive Player of the Year and he's playing like a straight B!TCH.
    I love the ManHandler so when he actually shows up I'll be happy.
    Agreed. But it only matters if we learn from it.

    Originally Posted by metrocard
    We have to utilized our tools.

    Camby
    Thomas

    If we clean up the boards, we'll win games cleaner.
    I think the consensus is REBOUNDING. The easy answer is to play more size, assuming size will help boxing out and grabbing boards.

    But rebounding is a skill and it seems Woodson doesn't recognize it in some players, or more so sees other skills that he values such as JR or Wallace's offensive prowess.

    Camby may be hurt. We cannot blame coach for resting him until he's 100% while we were winning. The demand may have been there but using Camby was not eminent during our streak.

    I'll add perimeter defense. I see a weakness with our guards stopping penetration. My mind says this will be a point of attack by the opposition. We saw Holiday and Parker exploit this, and Mayo flash on the perimeter.

    In the long run we assume Shump will help this, in the meantime coach has to use what we have and adapt. We can expect Brewer and other guards to address this, and more play for guys like Thomas, Camby, and Cope.

    I'm getting worried about STAT. Not sure if he can be 100% again, and even more uncertain he can improve our rebounding and defense.

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    Chandler- Needs to box out and crash the boards more, pretty much thats it. We need 12 rebounds a game from him

    Anthony- Stop complaining about non-calls, **** happens just keep playing. Be more aggressive off the ball to get scoring opportunities. 8-10 rebounds a game and 3-5 assists please. We need him to start carrying the load for us.

    Brewer- Keep it up

    Kidd- Keep it up

    Felton- More play creator instead of scoring PG. He needs to get Melo going early on with easy 2's, dunks and lay ups and then establish the rhythm of the team and get his off of that

    Smith- Keep playing under control, less 9 dribble moves, just catch and attack the D

    Novak- Better job getting open, we need him stretching the floor

    Wallace- Doing pretty good, better footwork on his D, less tick tack fouls

    Prigioni- Come on and get guys going, pretty much keep it up but move the ball more

    Camby- Get your ass on the floor

    Thomas- Keep it up

    Woodson- Feed your star and defend him when he's getting killed out there.

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    Yesterday Melo should have played the 3 starting Sheed at the 4. I also was really disapointed with Camby getting no burn. If anything we needed him last night most! Its just a loss we needed it anyway. Just some things I was thinkin about. When we vs teams like that we cant play small balll.

    I agree with what crazy said about Felt too. Hes been denyin Melo the balll a lil too much. Like late in the game last night when Melo was phenin for the ball he didnt dish it. Other then that Felt has performed well.

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