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    Originally Posted by Crazy⑧s
    If it were STAT and Novak, I'd do it. Not a reactionary comment in regard to Novak, BTW, I just think that he's not likely to fit the mould with Woodson.

    ● Are the Lakers legit about this though?

    Where do Amar'e, D12 and Kobe find a cognitive niché?

    Surely Gasol returning to form (as well as being insured) is better than trying to fit in Amar'e considering Gasol's experience in LA and his diversity. If people have an issue with his defence, then they're not likely to enjoy the services of STAT.

    I just can't see LA replacing what's considered a bad contract with a worse one that's uninsured. They'd be that much better off with 1 or multiple unwanted expiring contracts and focusing on the trio of Howard, Bryant and Nash, and from there adding what they can to their window of opportunity.

    I give this a 1 in 100 chance of even being a remote possibility. The Lakers aren't that stupid, and we're not that lucky.
    But it is insured. They never used their amnesty.. right?

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    I think this trade is kinda dumb anyways. Never trade with the lakers. the other team always gets ****ed. If the lakers want to trade someone its because their is something really wrong with them. Pau isn't gonna help us more than amar'e is.

    this should only be considered if he comes back healthy and we somehow are terrible or something or he doesn't work with Carmelo. We don't know that he does yet.

    People can say oh well, we they didn't play well together last year blablabla.. Well we had no point guard and we had D'Antoni as coach... So obviously our offense is going to go nowhere.

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    Originally Posted by Forrest17
    But it is insured. They never used their amnesty.. right?
    you can only amnesty a player if they were on your team prior to the CBA and I think LA would only do it if they think Nash can re-ignite STAT's game

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    Originally Posted by Forrest17
    But it is insured. They never used their amnesty.. right?
    No, Amar'e can't be insured. The insurers refused to insure Amar'e's contract on account of the micro-fracture surgery on his knees. Micro-fracture surgery is considered experimental, since you basically damage the knees by creating new micro-fractures in them in hopes that the new damage will inspire the body's natural healing process to produce more cartilage. The fact that the surgery basically means creating new fracture damage to the knees and the questionable results from this experimental procedure means that no insurance company will cover his contract. So, unlike other contracts that can be fully or partially insured, the team is on the hook for the full amount, since insurance companies won't cover it. Also, as mentioned above, no team that trades for Amar'e may amnesty him regardless of whether they already used their one-time amnesty or not, since you're only allowed to amnesty him if he was on your roster prior to the end of the CBA lockout. Any team that trades for him will be on the hook for the full monetary amount if something happens to him (a strong possibility with his injury history and damaged body), with no insurance company to pick up part of the tab.

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    Originally Posted by p0nder
    Not gonna happen. It's just not. I;m not in favor of it and it's not going to happen.

    Amar'es contract is just too nasty to be traded to any team, especially the lakers. Pau is not better then Amar'e and provides nothing of value to our front court that Amar'e won't give us and then some. Not to mention that Pau would then need to be worked into the offense and Woodson's schemes, while Amar'e already knows the role he plays here. Amar'e > Pau
    Pau is better than Amare, and what role are you talking about? Amare showed he doesn't fit in. He went from being a 25 ppg wrecking ball into a guy who can't move his feet and gets raped defensively and offensively.

    Gasol is a superior offensive player, rebounder and defender. It's a total upgrade and Gasol is a better fit, we don't have a passing big man except Camby.

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    you can only amnesty a player if they were on your team prior to the CBA and I think LA would only do it if they think Nash can re-ignite STAT's game
    When Nash is healthy enough to play and that's not going to be very often.

    Lakers are too old to run and gun. Trading Gasol makes perfect sense but I think they would want a younger version of STAT.

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    p0nder, you're tripping on bath salts.

    Rebounding
    Gasol's career high was 11.3 rebounds per game. Amare is 9.6
    Amare's struggle to get 8 boards a game, where Gasol floats around 9. Gasol isn't the better rebounder by FAR, but you're thinking of Amare back in his Phoneix days. Amare's rebounding isn't even respectable at this point. Gasol beats him here.

    Shooting, Gasol is superior by far. I don't know why you keep equaling attributes that Gasol is better than Amare.

    Last season, shooting percentages from 10-23 Feet.

    10-15 Feet Gasol shot 43% > Amare shot 30%
    16-23 Feet, Gasol shot 43% again > Amare shot 35%

    Amare is not the same player that we saw hitting those mid range shots. His game is shot and broken.

    Defensive, they're not equal.

    Come on, Amar'e Stoudimire better than anyone on defense? You're comparing Amare to a guy who shut down the best center in the NBA Finals.

    Gasol is better on defense just simply based on height, Gasol can alter shots and defend the post better. They're not excellent defenders, but Gasol is not HORRIBLE like Amare. He's the worst in the NBA at defending the pick and roll and one of the worst interior defenders in the league.






    Gasol doesn't even have to be good on defense to be superior to STATue.

    Help defense....Amare is weak at this. Just because he averages more blocks than Gasol doesn't make him a better help defender. Amare sucks at support defense...guards own Amar'e in the paint.


    BTW, Gasol has blocked more shots than Amar'e in the past 5 years.


    Amare hasn't create his own shot since 2011.

    Perimeter play? Gasol is more well rounded with his skill set.




    Originally Posted by p0nder
    Rebounding Amare = Pau

    Shooting Amare = Pau (generually speaking)

    Defense Amar'e = Pau (possibly a slight edge to Amar'e if he comes back playing like he was)

    Post Play Pau > Amar'e (though Amar'e just spent the offseason working on his post moves with the dream)

    Running in transition Amare> Pau

    Help defense Amar'e > Pau

    Creating his own shot Amar'e > Pau

    Attacking defenses Amar'e > Pau

    Passing Pau > Amar'e

    High Post play Amar'e > Pau

    Perimiter play Amar'e > Pau

    Ability to score against opponents Centers Amar'e > Pau

    Now this is terrible. Worst thing written in this thread.

    It's been over 10 games into the season.
    Mike Brown got fired.
    Steve Nash got injured.
    Dwight Howard didn't even come back at 100%.
    To evaluate Gasol over this shorten season is foolish and pointless. It doesn't prove anything except a false premature assumption that he doesn't fit.



    I just don't see Pau as a great contributor anymore. If he couldn't get it going with Nash, Kobe and Dwight, what makes you think having Felton pass him the ball wiith melo next to him will make him better?

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    Originally Posted by VeryGundy
    When Nash is healthy enough to play and that's not going to be very often.

    Lakers are too old to run and gun. Trading Gasol makes perfect sense but I think they would want a younger version of STAT.
    Screw the Lakers.
    They can take Amar'e.
    Amare is 30 years old.
    Gasol is 32 year olds.
    Not much of a difference.
    Amare's athleticism and agility has decreased a great amount.
    Gasol's game never relied on his physical attributes.
    Gasol will have a longer basketball career over Amar'e.
    Amar'e is highly overrated and he isn't the same guy he was in 2011.

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    Originally Posted by knickerlocker
    No. No team can amnesty Amar'e Stoudemire. The only team that may amnesty a player is the team that had him on their roster prior to the end of the lockout. Which means the Knicks were the only team allowed to amnesty him. But since the Knicks spent their amnesty already, they can't use it anymore, at least not till the next CBA is signed, assuming the next CBA will also include a one-time amnesty clause. But right now, ZERO teams in the NBA may amnesty Amar'e Stoudemire. Teams can't trade for him and then amnesty him, it doesn't work that way.

    thanks for clearing that up. i figured they couldn't but i wasn't sure about it.

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    If there's anybody on this site that thinks Gasol isn't an upgrade from Amare you leave me no choice but to never take anything you say on here serious. Gasol is better than Amare at almost every aspect of basketball aside from dunking and blocking shots. Gasol is not a great defender but Amare is without a doubt the worst defender in the league. Not to mention Gasol's contract runs out after next season. No doubt in my mind he can still play at a high level for the next 2 seasons. Imagine when he play the Nets he would feast on Humphries and Lopez in the post

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    The Los Angeles Lakers are not actively seeking a trade of Pau Gasol, according to a report from the Los Angeles Times.

    Gasol trade chatter had increased in recent days in the media, coinciding with his struggles on the floor and significant contract that runs through the 13-14 NBA season.

    Gasol has played in four different offensive systems over the past three seasons and clearly prefers the Triangle.

    "It put me in a natural position, which was post. I could score and I could pass," he said. "It was a perfect fit for me when I got here and Andrew (Bynum) was out. I had a lot of minutes and it was a need to cover.

    "Now it's a different personnel, different need, different look, different system, different positioning. As a professional, you adjust to a different position in your company and try to do your best so the company still finds you a valuable asset and the company still performs as well as it did before."

    Gasol has been slow to adapt to Mike D'Antoni's system.

    "We're all trying to get adjusted to the faster pace and running harder to our spots so the spacing's better, the flow is better," Gasol said.

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    Hawks are also in the trade discussions according to some rumors. I doubt it's true though cause we actually got the best out the deal. I think the rumour was

    NYK
    Josh Smith
    Kyle Korver
    Johan Petro

    Lakers
    Amare
    Teague

    Hawks
    Gasol
    Chris Duhon
    Knicks future 1st round pick

    Atlanta would get raped in that deal if true

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    Originally Posted by Rob Low
    Hawks are also in the trade discussions according to some rumors. I doubt it's true though cause we actually got the best out the deal. I think the rumour was

    NYK
    Josh Smith
    Kyle Korver
    Johan Petro

    Lakers
    Amare
    Teague

    Hawks
    Gasol
    Chris Duhon
    Knicks future 1st round pick

    Atlanta would get raped in that deal if true
    Josh SMITH? OMG I would love if he came to the Knicks. This would be FANTASTIC! JSmoove? He is a 26 year old defensive first good player. Having a rough year but he has great potential. OMG do it. I would litteraly piss myself if we got Josh Fing Smith for Amare and a 1st!

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    If we can get Smith that's great but i'd rather have Gasol to be honest. As talented as Smith is he's an idiot

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    We can dream all we want but Amar'e aint goin nowhere. why would the lakers even want Amare? Because of MDA and Nash? They already have dwight for the pick n roll.

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